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Old 12-31-2012, 08:05 PM
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HRH The Duchess of Kent did 8 engagements in 2012 - all associated with the big royal events such as the Jubilee which means my figures should be 'over by '8'

I have thus edited my original post to reflect that typo.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:21 PM
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Does Camilla and Charles participating in Hogmanay count as a royal engagement?
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:38 PM
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That will depend on whether or not is makes it into the Court Circular. If it is in the CC it will be counted as an engagement but if not in the CC then it isn't an official engagement at all (and there were many of those throughout the year).
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:35 AM
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Duchess of Cambridge carried out over 100 engagements in first full year as royal:
Duchess of Cambridge carried out over 100 engagements in first full year as royal - Telegraph
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:13 AM
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I have a question regarding the list. Most married couples on the list have a similar number of engagements. The Queen and the Duke, Edward and Sophie, William and Catherine etc.
Why such a large discrepancy between Charles and Camilla? I mean Charles carries out well over twice the number of engagements as his wife and I can't figure out what accounts for this.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:34 AM
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I have a question regarding the list. Most married couples on the list have a similar number of engagements. The Queen and the Duke, Edward and Sophie, William and Catherine etc.
Why such a large discrepancy between Charles and Camilla? I mean Charles carries out well over twice the number of engagements as his wife and I can't figure out what accounts for this.
Good question. I took a random sample of days in December from the Court Circular. Charles has a great many engagements where he is patron, chairman etc of specific organisations and holds meetings - these he does on his own. Anything connection with the business side of the Duchy he seems to do on his own as well.

The Duchess also does engagements on her own - I chose at random the 12th December - Charles had 4 meetings at Clarence House; Camilla had 2 on her own including Battersea Dogs Home.

He also carries out investitures on his own.

I know this doesn't answer your question but it does give an indication that the main difference is meetings vs meeting the general public type of opportunity, which they tend to do together. However, his visit to the flooding in Wales he did on his own.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:54 AM
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Thanks cepe. My other comment is, I think the Royals should do a better job of getting this information out to the public. I had no idea the Duke of York carries out 500 engagements a year and yet all he receives in the press is guff.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:00 AM
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This is a hot topic. The media know about it but don't publicise. Only the Queen, and the Cambridges always get publicised; Prince of Wales sometimes and the rest - hardly ever. None of the overseas trips made by Anne, DoY, Wessex's, Gloucesters and Kents made any news at all.

Its on their website and in the court circular but only the Times publicises that - I don't know if its been offered to other newspapers.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:48 PM
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Mr O'Donovan has, in the past, also sent his letter to The Telegraph. The way this article from The Telegraph reads it seems that he didn't this year but they are Mr O'Donovan's figures they are using, which do differ from mine as I pointed out in an earlier post by how much. Now I have to decide whether to spend the next three weeks going back and trying to figure out which engagements I counted that he didn't - or spend the time re-writing my programme for the new school year and preparing the Year 12 work for the year - Year 12 will win out - sorry.

This year is appears that the DM did its own count - and that comes out very differently to Mr O'Donovan's list. Mine is, largely more than Mr O'Donovan's but similar.

Charles does more than Camilla because he does a lot on his own. So do Edward and Sophie but they do a lot where they both attend and where they both open things together e.g. Charles and Camilla might visit somewhere and Charles open something - 2 to Charles and 1 to Camilla but Edward and Sophie might visit somewhere and then both open something - 2 each.

Kate carried out quite a number of engagements on her own or with other members of the family while William was on RAF duty and he also carried out a number alone.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:54 PM
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270 engagements for Camilla seems kind of low for someone married to the heir. Especially after seeing how many engagments the Queen's children perform as well as Sophie.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:09 PM
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Mr O'Donovan has, in the past, also sent his letter to The Telegraph. The way this article from The Telegraph reads it seems that he didn't this year but they are Mr O'Donovan's figures they are using, which do differ from mine as I pointed out in an earlier post by how much. Now I have to decide whether to spend the next three weeks going back and trying to figure out which engagements I counted that he didn't - or spend the time re-writing my programme for the new school year and preparing the Year 12 work for the year - Year 12 will win out - sorry.

This year is appears that the DM did its own count - and that comes out very differently to Mr O'Donovan's list. Mine is, largely more than Mr O'Donovan's but similar.

Charles does more than Camilla because he does a lot on his own. So do Edward and Sophie but they do a lot where they both attend and where they both open things together e.g. Charles and Camilla might visit somewhere and Charles open something - 2 to Charles and 1 to Camilla but Edward and Sophie might visit somewhere and then both open something - 2 each.

Kate carried out quite a number of engagements on her own or with other members of the family while William was on RAF duty and he also carried out a number alone.
I think that what you have written might be a clue to the difference. You mnetioned previously that if (for example) the Earl and Countess go to X city and open a hospital (say) you counted that as 2 events. I can't remember the exact example you gave - sorry. But the court cicular would only count this as one.

You also mentioned recently that you wanted to give more detail and differentiate between the "lead" royal (ie both attend but one gave a speech) because the other one just attended. If you do this, I would say that there will be an even wider gap between your figures and the one's published annually. That doesn't particularly matter as both of you are unoffical anyway, but its just a thought.

It's amazing that you do this but don't give yourself more work than you need to.

And a big thank you as well.

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And can I also emphasis - this is not a competition so who did more than others isn't really relevant. The number of organisations someone can be linked to in over 40 years is very different from those of only 7 years (or even 18 months)
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:13 PM
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I realise its not a competition but the public and press seem to make a big deal out of the number of engagements the Royals carry out and 270 seems on the low side in my opinion.
If Catherine's total after 7 1/2 years is 270 , the press will form a lynch mob.
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It is hard for Camilla in some ways as she is limited by the number of charities that she has and there are many charities that don't want her and she also started working so much later than others so has taken time to build up a range of charities.

My count has her over 339.

The Queen's children had been involved all their lives and so know no other style of life and Sophie also had a working background and a 6 year head start. Sophie also gets a lot of credit for joint engagements - as I spelt out above - which Camilla doesn't get.

On their different tours the number of times that Sophie and Edward went somewhere together was much greater than for Camilla - she did more on her own but Charles did a lot more on his own.

Camilla started her working life at an age when most people are retiring.

A comparison with the overseas tours:

PNG, Australia, NZ - Charles did 80 and Camilla 60. At least 30 of Charles engagments were solo but Camilla also did about 10 solo so only about 50 of them were accompanying Charles.
Caribbean - Edward 76 and Sophie 80 but there were only about 6 occasions when they weren't together so 74 of Sophie's engagements were done while accompanying Edward.

It is for this reason that I am going to be adding in the 'accompanied' column this year so that it can be seen how often Philip, Camilla, Kate, Sophie etc get a credit for accompanying their spouse. The interesting one with regard to that is The Duchess of Gloucester who rarely accompanies her husband.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:20 PM
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Its not a big deal - its a slow news day in the UK. All forgotten in a few days time. This is the main news along with sport and someone called "Fiscal Cliff"
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Really appreciate all the work you do tabulating this. Why does Sophie get credit for joint engagements and Camilla does not?
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^^^^ Thanks for the breakdown and I like Camilla so I wasn't bashing her, just trying to understand the difference in totals and thanks to you Iluvbertie, I've got a handle on it now.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:30 PM
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Really appreciate all the work you do tabulating this. Why does Sophie get credit for joint engagements and Camilla does not?

Camilla does get credit for joint engagements.

Where I give 2 credits is where the CC records say Edward and Sophie visiting a town and then opening the new hospital wing - 2 each.

Usually if Charles and Camilla visit a town Charles will open the new place on his own according to the CC and so that is 2 to Charles and 1 to Camilla as she visited with him but he also did the official part of the day.

With Edward and Sophie they would jointly pull the cord or whatever while Camilla would sit and watch her husband do it.

If the CC reports that they both opened xxx then they both get that credit.

e.g. HRH The Prince of Wales and HRH The Duchess of Cornwall visited xxxxx and HRH The Prince of Wales opened the new hospital wing. (2 to Charles and 1 to Camilla)

HRH The Earl of Wessex and HRH The Countess of Wessex visited yyyy and TRH The Earl and Countess of Wessex opened the new school library. (2 each)
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Iluvbertie,
why do you insist to count 'opens' as separate engagement?
'Opens" don't require additional preparation or traveling and take only a few minutes.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:43 PM
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I count it separately on occasions as it depends on what else is going on - often when it says 'visit' there may be a long list of things that they do during the visit or sometimes 'visit' might be all that is recorded.

I am using an example only.

e.g. HRH The Prince of Wales visited xxxxx

that might be all that is there for that engagement.

Then there is HRH The Prince of Wales visited xxxxx and had luncheon and then opened - is that the same as just visiting or is there more involved??


Opening something is a lot than a few minutes as there are usually speeches to be listened to, and a speech to be delivered before pulling the cord or whatever.
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Hard-working Kate sets a Royal standard | UK | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
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The Duchess of Cambridge plans to take things easier this year, but the Queen and Prince Philip have vowed no let-up in 2013.
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