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Old 07-29-2012, 09:22 AM
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Regarding William's work, this quote from Penny Junors book has been posted on another thread (by EIIR)

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At Valley he works on a shift system. He is part of a team of four, doing eight twenty-four-hour watches a month, and when on duty they live on base next to their helicopters. During the daytime they can be in the air in fifteen minutes, at night-time it's forty-five minutes, and when the scramble bell goes they have no idea what lies ahead of them or where they are headed. It could be anywhere in the UK or beyond, it could be miles out into the Atlantic, it could be to rescue a stricken tanker or a capsized yacht, a walker who is lost and has fallen and broken a limb in the mountains, a heart-attack victim, a fire on an oil rig, or a community that has been cut off by floods and needs evacuating. As William has said, it's the 'fourth emergency service'.

'It doesn't sound very many shifts,' says one of the team, 'but it's very stressful because it's foul weather and you have to work out in double quick time how you're going to get there, how you're going to make your fuel last, how long you can stay over the target area, how many people you can carry, how many you have to rescue, what you strip out etc. They tend to group them in three watches, so three lots of three, or two of three, and that will be twenty-four hours on, twenty-four hours off, so it lasts for a short week, then a gap for three or four days to have a rest, concentrate on your other work, do your helicopter training - training flights continue where you practise with the mountain rescue teams - and then you go back on watch for three days.'

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Regarding the duties carried out by the wider royal family. The Glos. and Kents do so at the request of the Queen and get paid to do it. I believe that for some it is their main source of income. Sorry to bring harsh realities into it but I think that some will need to carry on for as long as possible.

I always thought that Harry's career would be like that of the Duke of Kent, full-time soldier, part time royal.

The Queen's children are good for another 20 years at least. But the purpose/roles of the royals will have to change as the numbers reduce. And we will all have to get used to it.
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:53 PM
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On the matter of William's RAF commitments I had a discussion with a serving RAF officer today who said that no way would William be working "full time" in the way his "non royal" colleagues would and that there was no way that he wasn;t given additional leave to allow him to undertake his Royal duties and holidays etc. I'm not saying its right or wrong just saying what I was told by someone who has worked alongside RAF Search & Resue pilots in the past.
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I'm not saying its right or wrong just saying what I was told by someone who has worked alongside RAF Search & Resue pilots in the past.
Just to clarify. Your friend is not currently stationed at RAF Valley and is not currently working alongside William and his SAR team correct?
In other words, he has no current knowledge of Williams schedule or that of his team, so he has no real knowledge to say if William receives more or the same leave time as members of RAF Valley SAR. Is that correct?
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:26 PM
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My friend works with SAR pilots at present but is not at RAF Valley at the moment, whether he has wokred with William in the past I would presume to ask as I know he would never say. But doing a bit of amths he worked out pretty quick that not all of William's commitments would fit into usual leave.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:32 PM
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My understanding is that he works the same shift pattern as everyone else except last year when the Head of the Armed Forces (aka HMQ) asked him to tour Canada. So he took an additional 10 days.

The same will apply this year when he tours the Far East.

It is these requests that are part of the pressure on William to decide whether he stays in the SAR or comes out.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:38 PM
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I'm only saying what I was told by somebody who I feel is more qualified than any of us on here to know. Im not saying what my friend said is definetly true but I believe him, he would know and he has no reason to lie.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:04 PM
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Does you friend expect William to work 24 hours shift like a 9-5 jobs? That ridiculous not to mention dangerous.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:41 AM
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I'm only saying what I was told by somebody who I feel is more qualified than any of us on here to know. Im not saying what my friend said is definetly true but I believe him, he would know and he has no reason to lie.
Well I would think that the announcement from the RAF about William himself, by people who have worked with him, who have met him and understand his situation is more than we need to understand his schedule.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:25 AM
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Sorry for posting my thoughts, I was obviusly mistaken that this was a discussions forum. It really annoys me that people on this board have an all of nothing approach - either you love the Royals and everything they say and do or your the devil.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:27 AM
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Does you friend expect William to work 24 hours shift like a 9-5 jobs? That ridiculous not to mention dangerous.
When did i say that my friend had said that?!?!?! My friend was taking about the amount of time off as in leave Willaim has.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:05 PM
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Sorry for posting my thoughts, I was obviusly mistaken that this was a discussions forum. It really annoys me that people on this board have an all of nothing approach - either you love the Royals and everything they say and do or your the devil.
It's a bit like Junior High when it comes to that - sometimes. Stay in there - most of us see it and are with you.

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When did i say that my friend had said that?!?!?! My friend was taking about the amount of time off as in leave Willaim has.
I'm with you, tommy100. You make excellent points and you have solid info. Thank you for sharing. Personal contacts like you have are invaluable to getting a realistic picture.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:49 PM
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Sorry for posting my thoughts, I was obviusly mistaken that this was a discussions forum. It really annoys me that people on this board have an all of nothing approach - either you love the Royals and everything they say and do or your the devil.

Keep posting, Tommy100. There are two sides to every story (at least) and we need to hear all perspectives.

I don't think it takes much to realize that exceptions are made for William in his workload, given his royal duties. Just how much is another matter.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:58 AM
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Tommy100, I agree with the posters above-most people welcome respectful discussion.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:23 AM
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My friend works with SAR pilots at present but is not at RAF Valley at the moment, whether he has wokred with William in the past I would presume to ask as I know he would never say. But doing a bit of amths he worked out pretty quick that not all of William's commitments would fit into usual leave.
Since SAR at RAF Valley only do 8 24hr shifts per month, that leaves quite a lot of time off. My dad is in the same boat, although he works 12hr shifts. With the way the shift pattern works, he can have 2 clear weeks off and it'll only cost him about 4 shifts of his leave. To all our friends, it seems like my dad has an inordinate amount of time off, but he doesn't. When your shifts are that long you hit the working time limits in just 2-3 days.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:31 PM
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Since SAR at RAF Valley only do 8 24hr shifts per month, that leaves quite a lot of time off. My dad is in the same boat, although he works 12hr shifts. With the way the shift pattern works, he can have 2 clear weeks off and it'll only cost him about 4 shifts of his leave. To all our friends, it seems like my dad has an inordinate amount of time off, but he doesn't. When your shifts are that long you hit the working time limits in just 2-3 days.

Well now we have some real information!

If a person works a 24 hours shift, how much time is he/she required to take off in between? I am thinking of pilots and machinery operators, etc. For a certain amount of hours worked, for safety they get a certain amount of hours off in between shifts.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:04 PM
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Princess Peach, I believe the pilots work a 24hr shift and then have 24hrs off. The European Working Time Directive dictates that the maximum number of hours to be worked per week is 48, although I will caution that by saying that in the UK workers can opt out of that directive. Saying that, though, I can't imagine that SAR would let their pilots be on duty for more than 48 hours per week, for health and safety reasons.

Ultimately, if you're only doing 8 shifts per month, and almost every month has at least 30 days, it leaves a lot of days when you're not working. As nice as that sounds, I have no doubt that 24hr shifts in the SAR are not a walk in the park. I'm sure there are compromises to enable William to fulfill his duties in his 'other job' i.e. representing the Queen. He himself has said that fitting the 2 roles together is getting more and more difficult:

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"It’s a really difficult one because I really enjoy my time in the Air Force. And I’d love to continue it," he said. "But the pressures of my other life are building. And fighting them off or balancing the two of them has proven quite difficult," he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-william/9299196/Prince-William-Im-struggling-to-balance-military-career-with-royal-duty.html

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Weekly update to 2nd August.

A fairly quiet week in terms of number of engagements because the CC is listing 'visit the Olympic Games' not showing them moving between events.

Interesting to note that almost all of the family were at the Opening Ceremony officially - only Beatrice, Eugenie and Alexandra weren't there officially - Beatrice and Eugenie haven't attended any of the games officially so even though we have seen them there they don't get a credit as it wasn't listed in the CC for them but it was for the others.

HM The Queen - 427 (419 - up 8)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 310 (300 - up 10)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 467 (450 – up 17)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 231 (225 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 42 (35 - up 7)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 63 (57 - up 6)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 63 (55 – up 8)
HRH The Duke of York - 324 (313 - up 9)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 18 (17 - up 1)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 14 (13 - up 1)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 289 (286 - up 3)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 256 (253 – up 3)
HRH The Princess Royal - 340 (323 – up 17)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 232 (225 – up 7)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 88 (82 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 140 (136 – up 4)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (6 - up 2)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 20 (18 – up 2)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 20 (18 – up 2)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 75 (75 – no change)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 467
HM The Queen – 427
HRH The Princess Royal - 340
HRH The Duke of York - 324
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 310
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 289
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 256
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 232
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 231
HRH The Duke of Kent - 140
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 88
HRH Princess Alexandra - 75
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 63
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 63
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 42
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 20
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -20
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 18
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 14
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8

Year to date total - 3428 with 77% of those engagements being carried out by The Queen, her children and their spouses. The remaining 23% have been done by her grandchildren, first cousins and their spouses. This sees a change from last week with the Queen, her children and their spouses decreasing their percentage of engagements again in comparison to the grandchildren, cousins and their spouses.

The main line (The Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall, Duke of Cambridge, Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Harry) has risen to 46.5% mainly due to the visits to the Olympics every day by the Cambridges and Harry.

22.5% of all engagements are being done by those over 85 - The Queen and Philip.
29.5% done by those 70 and above (The Queen, Philip, The Duke of Kent, Prince Michael of Kent and Princess Alexandra)
62.5% are being done by those over 60 - meaning that 40% of all engagements so far this year have been carried out by Charles, Camilla, Anne, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and Princess Micheal (the ones in their 60s).


I hope people find these figures useful. I assume so as I have seen them quoted on other fora interestingly enough.
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Thanks again for the figures, Iluvbertie. Interesting that the CC is just stating attendance at the Olympics as a single engagement essentially. I suppose that's fair enough considering that they all seem to be having a ball, although I'm sure they're pretty exhausted at the end of each day.
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Weekly update to 2nd August.

A fairly quiet week in terms of number of engagements because the CC is listing 'visit the Olympic Games' not showing them moving between events.

Interesting to note that almost all of the family were at the Opening Ceremony officially - only Beatrice, Eugenie and Alexandra weren't there officially - Beatrice and Eugenie haven't attended any of the games officially so even though we have seen them there they don't get a credit as it wasn't listed in the CC for them but it was for the others.

HM The Queen - 427 (419 - up 8)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 310 (300 - up 10)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 467 (450 – up 17)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 231 (225 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 42 (35 - up 7)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 63 (57 - up 6)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 63 (55 – up 8)
HRH The Duke of York - 324 (313 - up 9)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 18 (17 - up 1)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 14 (13 - up 1)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 289 (286 - up 3)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 256 (253 – up 3)
HRH The Princess Royal - 340 (323 – up 17)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 232 (225 – up 7)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 88 (82 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 140 (136 – up 4)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (6 - up 2)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 20 (18 – up 2)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 20 (18 – up 2)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 75 (75 – no change)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 467
HM The Queen – 427
HRH The Princess Royal - 340
HRH The Duke of York - 324
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 310
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 289
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 256
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 231
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 232
HRH The Duke of Kent - 140
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 88
HRH Princess Alexandra - 75
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 63
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 63
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 42
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 20
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -20
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 18
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 14
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8

Year to date total - 3428 with 77% of those engagements being carried out by The Queen, her children and their spouses. The remaining 23% have been done by her grandchildren, first cousins and their spouses. This sees a change from last week with the Queen, her children and their spouses decreasing their percentage of engagements again in comparison to the grandchildren, cousins and their spouses.

The main line (The Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall, Duke of Cambridge, Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Harry) has risen to 46.5% mainly due to the visits to the Olympics every day by the Cambridges and Harry.

22.5% of all engagements are being done by those over 85 - The Queen and Philip.
29.5% done by those 70 and above (The Queen, Philip, The Duke of Kent, Prince Michael of Kent and Princess Alexandra)
62.5% are being done by those over 60 - meaning that 40% of all engagements so far this year have been carried out by Charles, Camilla, Anne, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and Princess Micheal (the ones in their 60s).


I hope people find these figures useful. I assume so as I have seen them quoted on other fora interestingly enough.
I find it odd that so many of the family attended the Opening Ceremony "Officially". I saw Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie sitting next to the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and Kent, but did not see Edward, Sophie, the Michael's of Alexandra. They obviously attended though, just odd we did not see them sitting with everyone else.
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Alexandra didn't attend the Opening Ceremony according to the CC - she has attended none of the Games at all - not the reception beforehand which Beatrice and Eugenie attended or the Opening or any subsequent event.

Beatrice and Eugenie, as we have seen have attended the games almost daily but not officially.
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