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Old 03-18-2011, 12:38 PM
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I don't think I remember reading that Henry VIII had a sexual affair with his repudiated fourth wife, Anne of Cleves, but he was shown to do so in the series(after the divorce)

And of course the inaccuracies in the first series were just glaring...and Jonathan Rhys-Meyers is a brilliant actor but physically so different from the historical Henry VIII that I was left baffled...was it SO difficult to find a strapping Englishman with red gold hair who could act the part?

Visually, "The Tudors" was stunning, I will give it that much.

But enjoyed the BBC's 1971 series starring Keith Michell much, much more. I have it on DVD!
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Yes but how many people watched the BBC series? And how many watched 'The Tudors' and how many millions upon millions of copies of dvd's were sold? The fact is people now a days don't want to watch documentries. Why do you think soap operas and reality shows are so popular? They pick Henry VIII because he is a king who had lots of affairs, knocked off a few wives, and had an exciting reign. The first season (to anyone other then the UK a series is the entire run of a show, when a series ends that means the show is off the air for good) was horribly inaccurate, but still exciting. Remember 90% of people watching the show don't know the real history, a lot of people think Henry VIII had eight wives, and beheaded them all.

There was talk he considered remarrying Anne of Cleves later in life. There is no historical proof they were lovers though. Anne remained at court, a respected member of the court, and treated as a royal princess. She was given the status Catherine should have been when named Dowager princess of wales after their divorce. Anne got it because she divorced quietly and never fought it. So the producers took speculation that perhaps Anne may have had an affair with him, to spice it up.

As for the actors, again this is not a BBC production. One of the companies is actually Canadian. They wanted names people knew, who they'd recognize, draw people to watch. Rhys Myers is good looking, reckognizable and women wouldn't mind turning in to watch him. I personally think the actor who played Charles Brandon far hotter, but that's just me. Same for the casting of women. Joss Stone as Anne of Cleeves really? Absolutely beautiful Joss Stone, as the woman called the Mare of Flanders? As the woman so ugly Henry refused to consumate the marriage? A little unbelievable there.

I am excited, the producers are doing a new series about to thart "The Borgiase'. I know it will not be historically accurate any more than the Tudors. I studied history for six years in university, undergrad and on, with a specialization in British history. I love to study history, and watch documentries a lot. I also like a good steamy exciting drama. I also love reading historical fiction or romance novels too. I don't look at them to be accurate, it just takes my passion for history and directs it into entertainment.
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:38 AM
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I watched the show through the third season. Towards the end there it got a little too.......graphic for my taste. I just couldn't bring myself to watch season four. But up until that point (a certain torture scene) it was really interesting. I loved looking at the jewels!
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:42 AM
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Season four is actually a lot less graphic and has only a few very minor torture scenes. I love the show.
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:21 PM
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And the actor that played Thomas Culpepper~YUMMY!!
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:08 PM
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Thomas Culpepper is played by Torrance Coombs (one of several Canadian actors in the series). Peace Arch Entertainment which produces the show (along with the CBC and two other companies) is a Canadian company.
I enjoyed the show despite the glaring historical inaccuracies, I had to remind myself that it's meant to entertain. Some of the scenes were indeed too graphic but I loved the costumes and jewels. The scene where Henry dreams of his own death was poignant and sad, a bit scary even. This version was certainly better than the one with Ray Winstone and Helena Bonham Carter.
The CBC has the entire show available online: CBC.ca Player
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:44 PM
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And the actor that played Thomas Culpepper~YUMMY!!
Wasn't he a hottie!? He had great chemistry with the actress who played Catherine Howard. Unfortunately, he was quite a nasty guy both in the series and in real life I have read.

I have to say the thing that disturbed me more than the historical inaccuracies and (often)gratuitous sex scenes was the violence.

The 16th century was a violent period, but the torture scenes in The Tudors were simply over the top, imo. I actually found myself fast forwarding a great deal of it.

I am very much interested in seeing "The Borgias"...I love Jeremy Irons!

ETA: The series with Ray Winstone as Henry VIII was beyond disappointing! What a waste of money!
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The actor who played Francis Dereham also played the Irish chauffeur in "Downton Abbey."
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Now that you mention it, he was also in Rome, he played Agrippa.
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Wasn't he a hottie!? He had great chemistry with the actress who played Catherine Howard. Unfortunately, he was quite a nasty guy both in the series and in real life I have read.

I have to say the thing that disturbed me more than the historical inaccuracies and (often)gratuitous sex scenes was the violence.

The 16th century was a violent period, but the torture scenes in The Tudors were simply over the top, imo. I actually found myself fast forwarding a great deal of it.

I am very much interested in seeing "The Borgias"...I love Jeremy Irons!

ETA: The series with Ray Winstone as Henry VIII was beyond disappointing! What a waste of money!
You do realize the Borgias is the same producers and writers right? So it will likely have the same drama, gratuities and such. They saw how succesful it worked with the Tudors.

But talking yummy, sorry but the guy who played Charles Brandon, send him my way any day thank you. Culpepper was too immature looking for me, though pretty easy on the eyes too.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:05 AM
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I'll take my chances with The Borgias...if it's just more of the same sex-and-violence+screwy history i'll probably be skipping out early.

I didn't know it was produced by the same people who did "Tudors"...but I adore Jeremy Irons so I will at least give it a try.
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I'll take my chances with The Borgias...if it's just more of the same sex-and-violence+screwy history i'll probably be skipping out early.

I didn't know it was produced by the same people who did "Tudors"...but I adore Jeremy Irons so I will at least give it a try.

They had considered continuing with the Tudors, Bloody Mary and Elizabeth but decided there would not be enough drama. They decided to end the Tudors on a high note, at the height of its popularity, instead of continuing for further seasons and dropping. They looked for a new subject, and the Borgias family definitely offers the intrigue. I assume if Lecretia makes an appearance, considering the vast rumors about her, it will be a lot like the Tudors. The Tudors took the juciest most dramatic rumors of Henry VIII and mixed it with history, I assume Borgias will too.
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Wow...I did not know they had considered continuing with the reigns of Mary and Elizabeth! If they think there wasn't enough DRAMA there they are clearly crazy!

Eliizabeth's imprisonment by her sister, Mary's doomed marriage to Philip II of Spain, the burnings of Protestants under Mary and the persecution of Jesuits under Elizabeth, Mary Queen of Scots vs Elizabeth, Elizabeth's love for Robert Dudley...the list goes on and on!

But I am kind of glad they stopped...can you imagine the gruesome fun they would have had with all those burnings and beheadings?!
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:50 PM
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Charles Brandon, or better said Henry Cavill, was very much a hottie in this serial; and I quite liked Duke Philip of Bavaria (Princess Mary's [unfortunately] one-episode love interest) - played by Colin O'Donaghue.

Henry VIII - Jonathan Rhys-Meyers - was too rogue, aggressive for me.

And Torrance Coombs - Thomas Culpepper - eeeewww, his eyes are so scary for me. Almost lifeless because they are so bright. Greyish blue or so? To me they feel like looking at glass. I'll pass.
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Humera, thanks for the link on CBC to see the whole series, but unfortunately that only works if you are in Canada.
Does anyone know a website that you can watch them in the USA?
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Humera, thanks for the link on CBC to see the whole series, but unfortunately that only works if you are in Canada.
Does anyone know a website that you can watch them in the USA?
Netflixs has them all-
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The best part for me in the Mini Series by far was the costumes. God how Love Love Love the clothing from that period in history. So grand! My biggest dislike of the series? The casting of Henry. Really? Maybe it's because this is my personal favorite piece of history, but because it's also one of the most well known, why in the world did they Make Henry look NOTHING like Henry? A skinny, dark haired, pencil pimp moustached looking king Henry??? Through the series I kept waiting for the make up people to at least attempt to make him look somewhat like the king, but no. I can deal with the cheesier parts but The king, the main character, should at least look the part. This was Rock and roll Henry = keith Richards as the king. BOOOOOOOOoooooooooo I hope they do continue the series with the queens, whatever I could watch this type of show nonstop.
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MRSJ, thank you, but I meant for free.
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:27 AM
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JRM is a great actor, but I found him really miscast as Henry VIII. He hardly ages at all during the series, and they certainly never bulked him up to the king's legendary girth!

But I agree about the costumes, they were magnificent! The best part of the entire production, imo.
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The series has just finished on BBC and I am a little bit sad. I will miss seeing it on a saturday evening. I loved all the actors and actress especially, Lady Mary, Henry and Catherine Parr. I hated seeing Joss Stone cast as Anne of Cleves.
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