"The Queen": a film about Elizabeth II and the death of Diana.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

I just mentioned it to show that the Queen might have griefs against Diana, but being an intelligent woman, she for sure had think about reasons of Diana's behavior. And this sould have made her being "mild" after her death.

I think the Queen was pretty mild towards Diana after the divorce. She kept Diana's pre-divorce status in the Order of Precedence and placed her only second to the Queen which was highly unusual privilege to grant a divorced former royal. I keep on imagining how Queen Sofia would react if Letizia gave Penafiel an exclusive interview criticizing Felipe and the Spanish Royal Family and given all that Sofia and Juan Carlos have done to secure the Spanish throne for themselves and their children, I cannot imagine Sofia being any milder than the Queen Elizabeth was in this instance. On the contrary, I think Sofia would ruthlessly strike anybody down who endangers the monarchy no matter how close to the throne they are. She and Juan Carlos have worked too hard to let the monarchy be threatened and Queen Elizabeth has worked too hard for this also.

But since you say that the Queen should have been intelligent and think about the reasons behind Diana's behavior, surely we, the people, can be just as intelligent as you ask the Queen to be and we too can think about the reasons behind the Queen's behavior. We can choose to see that there are some very human and normal reasons and emotions behind why the Queen acted as she did in the same way you expect the Queen to see that there were very human and normal emotions to cause Diana to act like she did.

In response, we the people can choose to be as mild toward the Queen in her mistakes as you think the Queen should have been mild and forgiving towards Diana for her mistakes.

They all are human, they all made mistakes, they all hurt each other in one way or another. But if forgiveness is to be granted to Diana for her mistakes, surely the Queen deserves the same understanding and forgiveness. I don't believe the Queen's mistakes were any greater than Diana's.

[Elspeth]

BBC article about the BAFTA win:

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Mirren adds Bafta to awards haul

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

But when she married she was sincere. Charles and his family NOT.

As others have already said, that was only Diana's version.

I think that HM did entirely the right thing by trying to give her grandchildren the privacy to get over their initial shock and tears, before being put on public display!

Most parents and grandparents would also do their best to allow a child breathing space, before facing a mob.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

As others have already said, that was only Diana's version.

I think that HM did entirely the right thing by trying to give her grandchildren the privacy to get over their initial shock and tears, before being put on public display!

Most parents and grandparents would also do their best to allow a child breathing space, before facing a mob.

As I said before this is and endless discussion, because each one if us decides to believe what he prefers. According to this, we can have our opinion.

Take care
Ciao

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

because each one if us decides to believe what he prefers.

That is true fandesacs Wasn't there a popular song by the rock group the Eagles that sang, "People believe what they want to believe"

I do believe the movie changed some people's opinions but for the most part I think the movie just reinforced the beliefs that people already had because most of us thought we 'knew' the truth even though we saw different truths about the same facts.

[Elspeth]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

As I said before this is and endless discussion, because each one if us decides to believe what he prefers. According to this, we can have our opinion.

Take care
Ciao

Indeed we can. However, there's a difference between saying "I prefer to believe Diana's side of the story" or "I prefer to believe Charles's side of the story" and saying "This [Diana's side of the story] is an objective fact." If you want to believe Diana's assertion that Charles was having an affair with Camilla all the way through his engagement and marriage and disbelieve Charles's assertion that he gave Camilla up when he got engaged and didn't resume the affair for several years, that's entirely your prerogative, of course; just please don't present one side of this story as some sort of hard fact when there are opinions on both sides and we don't actually know the truth.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

Take care
Ciao

And you.

[Warren]

Rather than have this thread veer off into yet another debate about the rights and wrongs of the CC&D triangle, we'll leave that particular discussion with Elspeth's last post. Since none of us know the intimate details it's better that we get back to discussing "The Queen".

thanks,
Warren
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[RoyalKnottie]

I saw "the Queen" a few months ago and loved it. It was amazing to see how well Helen Mirren mimicked QEII. Throughout the entire film she never slouched once...even while in bed. Now I read how Helen had a voice coach to help her talk more like QEII (unable to quote source) and since I've never seen any of her other movies I didn't believe it until I watched Elizabeth I. After watching Elizabeth I, I realized how different the two characters sounded. I think Helen did a great job and I can't wait until "the Queen" comes out on DVD. Does anyone know when?

[Carolyn]

This is my first post on this forum. Am still trying to find my way around.

I am really looking forward to this movie and have it on order. I decided I want to watch it in the privacy of my home and not in a movie theatre where there may be people who aren't really interested or don't know the history.

I am a long-time student of history. Mainly the Tudor period, but have great respect for Queen Elizabeth II also.

Carolyn

[Warren]

Welcome to the [posting] Forums Carolyn.

[sara1981]

you can vote on yahoo about before Oscar awards

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if you makes votes for the Queen but i vote for The Queen would be 6 oscars! i would pray for that! if got BIG winner at oscars or not we have wait and see

[cr1066]

This is my first post on TRF and I just wanted to come out of obscurity to say that I thought the film offered a tremendously and refreshingly sympathetic view of the British royal family and of the Queen herself. It seems that most of the films I have seen regarding the royal family, and especially its relationship with Princess Diana, have been resoundingly negative. "The Queen," in contrast, offers a portrait of the Queen that I think is much closer to the truth and far more sympathetic: one of a woman with plain tastes and emotions like everyone else but with a sense of duty, dedication, and responsibility that very few people can possibly understand and thus often misinterpret. Really, the film made me feel a degree of empathy and respect for Queen Elizabeth II that I had not felt prior to seeing it. I'm sure the Queen's PR advisors (if they viewed the film) were very pleased with the portrayal.

[Elspeth]

From what I can gather, the author of the screenplay isn't much of a fan of the royal family; I wonder if this sympathetic portrayal was inadvertent, or whether maybe Helen Mirren gave her role a humanity the writer hadn't intended.

Welcome to the board, cr1066! I hope you carry on posting now you've broken the ice.

[BeatrixFan]

Just ordered this picture from Amazon. I may change my opinion on a second viewing but I doubt it.

[crisiñaki]

Helen Mirren Won the Oscar!