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Old 02-28-2007, 05:31 PM
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"I had heard (can't remember who, what, where or when) that QEII actually helped out with this film. Helped out in the sense that she contributed some insight into her life and feelings during that difficult time. I think Dame Helen Mirren had an interview with her...is that right?"

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No, that is totally inaccurate. Mirren has never met or spoken to the Queen by her own admission. Nor has anyone connected to this film claimed or suggested that the Queen co-operated with this production in anyway.

I don't know what everyone else was reading or replying to, but the original question was whether Mirren had an interview with the Queen who supposedly helped out with this film, which is totally inaccurate. This is after all a thread about the book/film The Queen.

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Old 02-28-2007, 05:34 PM
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Mirren went 'commando' at Oscars

Dame Helen Mirren didn't have underwear on at the Oscars.

The actress has revealed she went 'commando' when she collected her Best Actress award for playing Queen Elizabeth II in 'The Queen' on Sunday.

Bank Holiday honour for Dame Helen

Oscar winner Dame Helen Mirren could have a Bank Holiday named after her - in her native Essex
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:14 PM
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Euphoric Helen receives a royal homecoming
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:39 AM
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She just received a "knickknack" in California.

What a wonderful spirit!
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:45 PM
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The DVD still isn't available at the US Amazon site, but the Barnes and Noble website has it available to preorder and claims that it's coming out on 24 April.
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:36 PM
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I was one of many with my fingers crossed hoping she would get that oscar. Even in the last minute I thougt of an Oscar upset, like when Cate Blanchet's Elizabeth lost to G. Paltrow's lesser acting abilities in Shekaspeare in Love.

Now that Helen Mirren has won every award there is in one year for playing Queen Elizabeth I and II she becomes the most suceful movie queen around. And that includes for me the first time I noticed her, she played Morgan Le Fey in Excalibur.

On the Queen and queen meeting:
What do they do in a British tea invitation?
How informal can it get?
Anyone knows if the Queen will have her guests over a room with a painting of Queen Elizabeth I looking down on all of them?
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:04 PM
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James Cromwell: The Crew of 'The Queen' Hated Princess Diana
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:11 PM
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What a piece of trash that James Cromwell is. And I liked him in the show six feet under.
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:41 PM
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Methinks James Cromwell may be exaggerating here.

Helen Mirren said in an interview that she came from a family that were anti-monarchists and was quite surprised with the affinity she had for the Queen.

So I don't necessarily think that Mirren just loathed Diana. Its possible James did, but then the directors thought that's a useful emotion for an actor to have when playing Prince Philip.

There probably was a tumble on the set with the screenwriter being so anti-royal and anti the Queen. His so strong stance against the Queen probably brought out the monarchist in people who thought previously they weren't monarchists. Like James Cromwell, who bills himself as a socialist.
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:51 PM
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So I don't necessarily think that Mirren just loathed Diana. Its possible James did, but then the directors thought that's a useful emotion for an actor to have when playing Prince Philip.
But, Cromwell didn't say that Helen Mirren loathed Diana. He referred to people "working on the set", by which I think he meant the crew (according to the headline) and not his fellow actors.
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:59 PM
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But, Cromwell didn't say that Helen Mirren loathed Diana. He referred to people "working on the set", by which I think he meant the crew (according to the headline) and not his fellow actors.
Well in that case it really doesn't make sense. Forgive my French but who really cares if the makeup artist or the set designer or the gaffer hate Diana? They're not going to have influence over the movie's plot.

But if James says that a lot of the scenes that were shot were later cut for being too anti-royal, it looks like there was a tug of war between the screenwriter and the director and in these types of cinematic battles, the director always wins.

This particular director seemed to be more pro-Tony Blair than anti-Diana or anti-Queen.
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Old 03-11-2007, 04:09 PM
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The screenwriter (Peter Morgan) certainly seemed to not have a lot of sympathy with the Queen; maybe the director and the actress were the ones who injected the humanity into the characterisation. James Cromwell said as much about the screenwriter in that interview.

As for what he said about Diana, I think it just goes to show that even this long afterwards, most people are strongly pro or anti and there's precious little neutral middle ground.
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Old 03-11-2007, 09:06 PM
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The screenwriter (Peter Morgan) certainly seemed to not have a lot of sympathy with the Queen; maybe the director and the actress were the ones who injected the humanity into the characterisation. James Cromwell said as much about the screenwriter in that interview.

As for what he said about Diana, I think it just goes to show that even this long afterwards, most people are strongly pro or anti and there's precious little neutral middle ground.
Well until now I thought that most people that were strongly pro-Diana were against the British establishment if they were anti-Diana they were for the establishment.

Cromwell's interview and some of the reactions to his interview in the Guardian have made me re-think that assumption. What I failed to take into account was the opinion a confirmed Socialist would have in the matter. They wouldn't like the royal family because they're an example of family that 'lived off the backs of others' but they wouldn't really care about Diana either because she was an aristocrat and they'd reject her on the fairytale princess story aspect of it.

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Being something of a red himself, Cromwell probably polled a very biased sample of Old Labor militants, who hate the royals on principle, and have never managed to forget that Diana was one of them.

But at least one fact is firmly on his side: it is never a good idea to place anyone so far outside the reach of criticism as Diana, in life and death, has been.

Though far from a socialist, I too have a hard time understanding why the general public reserves so much admiration for people who do good deeds with fashionable clothes, favorable press coverage, and unearned money.
Its quite opened my eyes beyond the normal dichtonomy between Diana and the British Royal Family to see that for some people, they're both symbols of the same thing. That statement about people who do good deeds with fashionable clothes, favorable press coverage, and unearned money could be said of any of the working princesses today, for example, Princess Anne. Well maybe not the fashionable clothes bit regarding Princess Anne, but you get what I mean.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:08 AM
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it is never a good idea to place anyone so far outside the reach of criticism as Diana, in life and death, has been.
Though far from a socialist, I too have a hard time understanding why the general public reserves so much admiration for people who do good deeds with fashionable clothes, favorable press coverage, and unearned money
As you might expect, I found this quote excellent, although I would have to say that, IMO, people are far more willing to criticise Diana now in the UK.

I have always found it strange that when a 'royal' visits the homeless and everyone mutters 'marvelous, he/she really cares', then watches them get into the big car and be driven home to the 18 bedroom house.

But then, I am also puzzled by the way people encourage 'Red Nose Day', Band Aid etc, surely if you really care about the charities involved you would donate on a regular basis. I would have thought most people would look at the millionaire presenters and wonder why they dont donate more than their time.

The film is out today in the UK on DVD.
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:36 AM
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As you might expect, I found this quote excellent, although I would have to say that, IMO, people are far more willing to criticise Diana now in the UK.

I have always found it strange that when a 'royal' visits the homeless and everyone mutters 'marvelous, he/she really cares', then watches them get into the big car and be driven home to the 18 bedroom house.

But then, I am also puzzled by the way people encourage 'Red Nose Day', Band Aid etc, surely if you really care about the charities involved you would donate on a regular basis. I would have thought most people would look at the millionaire presenters and wonder why they dont donate more than their time.

The film is out today in the UK on DVD.
When Bob Geldorf first did Band Aid I thought it was revolutionary and a good thing. Also when Audrey Hepburn first joined UNICEF. But I think other people jumped on the bandwagon.

Actually the week that Diana died showed just how hypocritical the public can be about doers of 'good deeds'. In that same week, Mother Theresa died. Mother Theresa had done truly remarkable work in India starting over 20 years before from little or no resources when and she had been recognized for it I think as early as 1979. The contrast of the extraordinary grief at Diana's passing compared to the modest and dignified grief at Mother Theresa's passing was a bit uncomfortable. So much that news presenters had to explain away why they were spending so much more time eulogizing Diana. They always started their Diana stories with, well of course Mother Theresa was an extraordinary human being and there wasn't enough space or time to extol all her accomplishments. Now about Diana...

What they failed to mention was that Mother Theresa didn't have the requisite fashionable clothes, favorable press coverage, and unearned money, and should I say, youth and good looks.

It is true that Mother Theresa's death was not as surprising as Diana's but I don't think that totally explains the different reactions of their deaths. The sad truth is that I think the majority really don't care about good deeds unless they are wrapped up in good looks, fashionable clothes, and favorable press coverage. They know they ought to care which is why I suspect the news presenters looked guilty when they switched talk from Mother Theresa to Princess Diana but that's not the same thing as actually caring.

How many people actually give time and money to the charities Diana sponsored in comparison to the number of people who want to honour her memory? I daresay the number is very low in comparison.
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Old 03-12-2007, 12:35 PM
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The film is out today in the UK on DVD.
It's still showing as "Not available" on Amazon.com even though other booksellers are advertising it. Wonder what the problem is at Amazon. You'd think they'd have had it available for preorder when all that Oscar publicity was happening.
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It's still showing as "Not available" on Amazon.com even though other booksellers are advertising it. Wonder what the problem is at Amazon. You'd think they'd have had it available for preorder when all that Oscar publicity was happening.
The local stores are full of copies, apparently the take up, has so far, been slower than expected in the Highlands. Perhaps you will be able to get a copy shortly!
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:57 PM
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Well, I've just realised that Amazon has been lying to me. I've been searching on "Helen Mirren" and keep getting sent to this page, which is apparently a DVD listing. I clicked on the DVD link there, expecting to be sent to the same page, but instead I was sent here, where the DVD is available for preorder. So I preordered it.

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For devout and fervent monarchists such as ourselves, Life is just one unending frustration. First there are all these blasted republicans, then the Marxists who want to hang, burn, torture or whatnot everybody and then we have the supply stores where we cannot even get a copy of the one decent movie in the past how many decades. Sigh. Elspeth, I do hope you get the toy soon. Let us hope it will brighten your day. I have not been so happy at a movie (and as a rule I loathe movies) since the Bergman presentation of Mozart's Die Zauberflote. I was in bliss for days afterwards with that and in sheer exaultation after the mighty Helen's latest opus. No wonder the grubby republican shop keepers and sellers of DVDs are giving us such a hard time. It only goes to prove that life not be a drab and boring set of corrupt and idiotic tableau perpetrated by tasteless vulgarians after all. It is indeed possible to be dignified, nay majestic. Cheers.
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For devout and fervent monarchists such as ourselves, Life is just one unending frustration. First there are all these blasted republicans, then the Marxists who want to hang, burn, torture or whatnot everybody and then we have the supply stores where we cannot even get a copy of the one decent movie in the past how many decades. Sigh. Elspeth, I do hope you get the toy soon. Let us hope it will brighten your day. I have not been so happy at a movie (and as a rule I loathe movies) since the Bergman presentation of Mozart's Die Zauberflote. I was in bliss for days afterwards with that and in sheer exaultation after the mighty Helen's latest opus. No wonder the grubby republican shop keepers and sellers of DVDs are giving us such a hard time. It only goes to prove that life not be a drab and boring set of corrupt and idiotic tableau perpetrated by tasteless vulgarians after all. It is indeed possible to be dignified, nay majestic. Cheers.
I could never hope to top your eloquence, Thomas, but I agree with you completely. It was a beautifully-done film and the magnificent Helen Mirren was brilliant--I couldn't take my eyes off her amazing face the entire time. I loved it.
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