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Old 01-02-2006, 04:59 PM
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I think the problem was that they didn't understand his condition at all. I think that at the end, George and Mary really seemed to hate themselves for not being closer to John. I felt for Queen Alexandra. What a horrid life she had.
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Old 01-02-2006, 05:13 PM
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I definitely agree that the major problem was that his family couldn't or didn't understand his illness. Also, based on what I have read about Prince John, he was was close to his brother Prince George, the future Duke of Kent.

The King and Queen definitely weren't affectionate with their children. It seems to skip a generation.

I also loved the scenese with the Nicholas II and his family. While I am sure (and most will agree) that most of these movies (regarding royal families) are not accurate with the facts, you could definitely feel the angst that George V felt over not offering sanctuary to his cousins family and the guilt he must have felt at their deaths.
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Old 01-02-2006, 05:28 PM
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Well, I'll be honest, when John was playing the trumpet and George was getting teary and Alexandra was sobbing her heart out I did have a little cry. It was just so sad. The story of Nicholas and Alexandra always does that to me.
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The reasons for John's isolation were many. After all, this was a time when abnormal children (and adults) were dismissed by society as mentally handicapped. They were a source of shame to their families (even more so for a Royal Family). Also, there were no drugs available to control seizures. Thus the King and Queen couldn't risk their son having a seizure in public and the press reprorting it. Although it sounds cruel by today's standards,
isolating him was the only choice the Royal Family had, given the time and
place.

One can argue that isolation was also beneficial for Prince John. It allowed him to avoid the
rigours of public life & the critical public eye. Moreover, rather than bein uncaring, Queen Mary spent more time with him than any of her other children -- She was struck hard by his death, although she never showed it, as was expected of someone in her position (For instance soon after the death of her own young son, Queen Marie of Romania werote to the then Crown Prince Carolabout carrying on her
duty even though her young son had just died and that she kept her tears
for the night).

After Prince John's funeral Queen Mary wrote "Little Johnny looked very peaceful...he just slept quietly in his heavenly home, no pain, no struggle, just peace for the troubled spirit".
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I dont think they were cold at all and I dont blame them one bit for what they did to John. Back then Doctors wer gods. You listened to them and took what they said as the gospel. Doctors that it was best to put challenged kids in isolation. That was the norm back then. Prince John was to be no exeption. I really liked that show. I watched part two last week. It is really moving and fairly accurate. Prince John was so innocent and as Georgie said in the end, "he was the only one of us who could really be himself." It was a really good documentry. Queen Mary was close Johnny and spent a lot of time with him. A day or two after he died she wrote in her diary "I miss him already."
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It could be one of a couple of pieces by the look of it; there are two pieces near the end of this list where it says the visual cues involve Johnny playing the trumpet:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/...tes_music.html
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Elspeth - thankyou so much! I'm going to have a look around to see if I can download it anywhere.
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Old 01-02-2006, 06:46 PM
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You're welcome! I expect you'd be able to find the sound track new or second hand somewhere if you really wanted to splash out.
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Lost Prince, the [Soundtrack]
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1 Used & New from £49.99 See larger photo Audio CD (January 20, 2003)
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Label: BBC Music ASIN: B00007MFH7 Catalogue Number: WMSF60692 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...146370-2919808
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Elspeth - thankyou so much! I'm going to have a look around to see if I can download it anywhere.
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Old 01-03-2006, 09:34 AM
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Thanks Susan Alicia - Very much appreciated. I may well get that.
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I also loved that piece of music. I cried a little too, it was very moving. I think George finally connected with his son and saw he wasnt useless at that moment. I really liked the ending. When Georgie and LaLa look up at the hill and they have johnny inspecting his "crew" and trying to make the "gaurd" laugh. Such a free and innocent soul. It was nice to see what was happening in the world through a childs eyes. I have a question though. When King Edward VII funeral takes place there is someone telling Georgie and Johnny all of there relatives. Then Johnny feels a seizure coming and he runs to find privacy. He runs into a german prince I think. Did that German Prince have epilepsy like Johnny?
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I believe the German prince was the future Kaiser, Wilhem. Who was the son of the Princess Royal (Victoria), who was the aunt of George V.
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I watch the mini series just the other week, how sad, I knew a little about him, but this really showed what really went on. by looking at this show it appears not only that he was having seizures but also that he may have had Autism or Aspergers.

The royal family even to this day have always held their emtion in and come across as cold and unfeeling, I can safely say that the first time I ever saw any emotion from any of them was at Prince Rainier's funeral you could see that one of his daughters I think Stephanie was very upset. but then who can stay composed when they are playing Adagio?!
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but this really showed what really went on.
No. It couldn't. It was a movie...a dramatization...fiction based lightly on some known facts.
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No. It couldn't. It was a movie...a dramatization...fiction based lightly on some known facts.
what I meant was that we could see what happened to him and where he lived as we all know he is known as the 'forgotten prince' so we do not know too much about him, plus I liked the way they added in about what was going on in the world at that time.

I know that it is a dramatization anything that is made, a movie, book, mini series, etc. can't really be taken too seriously, unless you were there yourself we do not really know what happened, plus everybody has their own interpretation of events that they see.
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Who was the actress who played LaLa. I thought she was great and I really connected with her. I was watching it and remembering as a child wishing my nanny was someone like lala rather then the one I had.
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Who was the actress who played LaLa. I thought she was great and I really connected with her. I was watching it and remembering as a child wishing my nanny was someone like lala rather then the one I had.
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I thought Miranda Richardson stole every scene she was in. Just amazing. When she was interviewed about 'The Lost Prince' she said she felt a true connection with Mary and felt a sense of sympathy and love for the present Queen, knowing the figure's she'd grown up around.
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I believe the German prince was the future Kaiser, Wilhem. Who was the son of the Princess Royal (Victoria), who was the aunt of George V.
By 1910 The Princess Royal's son Wilhelm had been Kaiser for 22 years having succeeded his father, and grandfather, both of whom died in the same year - 1888.

I don't remember the scene specifically and the character may have been the last Kaiser - my point is that he would have been the Kaiser at Edward VII's funeral and not the 'future' Kaiser.
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Sad story I knew nothing about, poor little boy
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