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There is a terrible historical inaccuracy in the scene when Bertie is asking his brother, the monarch, what he has been doing. When he replies "kinging" his brother Bertie replies, "what about the Czar, what about cousin Wilhelm?"
The Czar and Kaiser Wilhelm were of his FATHER's generation, they would have been dead!

Otherwise, especially H BC interpretqtion of QuE was beyond wonderful
Not sure what year movie takes place but what about Wilhelm II? He ruled until 1941 I think....could it be him?
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I don't think the Queen would have a problem at all with the portrayal of her father swearing as she has already made it clear that he did.

Some years ago she was somewhere and someone swore in her presence and she made a comment along the lines of 'I am the daughter of a sailor, the wife of a sailor and the mother of sailors - let him say what he likes.'
LOL I love that line.........but I doubt she's seen the movie. Her mother thought it too painful to relive during her lifetime and I would imagine the Queen wouldn't be too keen on that..............
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:16 PM
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The Czar and Kaiser Wilhelm were of his FATHER's generation, they would have been dead!

Otherwise, especially H BC interpretqtion of QuE was beyond wonderful
The film starts in 1925, Tsar Nicholas II was dead but Kaiser Wilhelm II was alive.

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Not sure what year movie takes place but what about Wilhelm II? He ruled until 1941 I think....could it be him?
Wilhelm II reigned till 1918, not 1941.

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Not sure what year movie takes place but what about Wilhelm II? He ruled until 1941 I think....could it be him?
I think the reference to Wilhelm and Nicholas has more to do with their style of government and what happened to them. Even if George VI and Edward VIII were not technically their "peers" they were cousins who reigned and were deposed as monarchs, and as such served as a reminder of what could potentially happen in England.

Both sons were WII vets (though of course they were kept from the front line). Edward VIII was very comfortable in Germany. I read in a book that after the War, Bertie had met a cousin (I believe a sister of the Kaiser) who had stated that she had hoped that they (the German and British royal family) could be friends again. Bertie replied that he didn't think that would happen. And George V never spoke to Wilhelm after the war EVER.
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:29 PM
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The film starts in 1925, Tsar Nicholas II was dead but Kaiser Wilhelm II was alive.

Wilhelm II reigned till 1918, not 1941.

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So film starts in 1925 and Willhelm II was alive but not reigning?

Edit- yes ok I got his death date and end of reign confused, thank you everyone for clearing that up :)
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Yes, Wilhelm died while in exile during WWII in the Netherlands.
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Yes, Wilhelm died in 1941.
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I haven't seen the movie as it isn't on at my local theatre anymore (it had a one day run and no one went to see it so when I went to see it on about Day 3 of its release it had already been removed) but this historian is totally correct - Churchill was on the outer throughout the 30s, supported Edward VIII during the Abdication Crisis, wasn't George VI's first choice to be appointed PM in 1940, George would definitely have preferred Halifax at that time (although I have read it was a tooth problem not a stomach problem) etc.

Churchill most certainly wasn't advising the King before 10th May, 1940 when he was asked to form his government. Basic research not done well here I am afraid - and not hard to get right, actually adding to the story as it also would show the King changing his mind about a major figure.
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I think the reference to Wilhelm and Nicholas has more to do with their style of government and what happened to them. Even if George VI and Edward VIII were not technically their "peers" they were cousins who reigned and were deposed as monarchs, and as such served as a reminder of what could potentially happen in England.

Both sons were WII vets (though of course they were kept from the front line). Edward VIII was very comfortable in Germany. I read in a book that after the War, Bertie had met a cousin (I believe a sister of the Kaiser) who had stated that she had hoped that they (the German and British royal family) could be friends again. Bertie replied that he didn't think that would happen. And George V never spoke to Wilhelm after the war EVER.
They actually both served in WWI and George VI most certainly was at the front line - well as much as the navy was - he served at the only major battle of the war - the Battle of Jutland and people on his ship died in that battle. Edward served as a Staff Officer and many of them died, behind the lines, so being in France was still dangerous - he mightn't have been in the actual trenches but he was at the front.

I find it interesting that you have that line attributed to Bertie as I have always seen it being a line that Queen Mary wrote to the Kaiserein during the war. The Empress wrote and made the comment that she hoped they could be friends again when the war was over and Queen Mary replied that she didn't think that would be possible.

George V wouldn't have worried about not speaking to Wilhelm again - he didn't really ever like him but George V did miss Nicholas and, I think regretted very much that he was unable to help him, but realised that he had to put his own family first.
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Michael Gambon and Colin Firth - I like it, should be interesting though depending on how much of their lives and battles we will see, thoroughly looking forward to it and hoping not to be disappointed
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I just saw the movie a couple of nights ago and it was excellent. Geoffrey Rush was my favorite character. His calm unassuming humor was a perfect foil to the nervous, shy King George VI. Michael Gambon was wonderful as King George V. HBC portrayed the Queen Mother very well. Loving, devoted wife and mother, as well as the stiff, formal and somewhat snobbish Queen. The scene where Lionel's wife finally meets the royal couple and she inquires if they were staying for dinner...the Queen's rather snotty reply made me want to rap her over the head with the teapot.


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Also, George V never told Bertie that he thought that Edward would ruin himself in 12 months, I believe he told a family friend that.
I read in "Majesty" by Robert Lacey that King George V was extremely distressed about Prince Edward, and spent quiet alot of time walking through the deer forest discussing the situation with the Archbishop, and it was to him that he made that statement to.
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They actually both served in WWI and George VI most certainly was at the front line - well as much as the navy was - he served at the only major battle of the war - the Battle of Jutland and people on his ship died in that battle. Edward served as a Staff Officer and many of them died, behind the lines, so being in France was still dangerous - he mightn't have been in the actual trenches but he was at the front.

I find it interesting that you have that line attributed to Bertie as I have always seen it being a line that Queen Mary wrote to the Kaiserein during the war. The Empress wrote and made the comment that she hoped they could be friends again when the war was over and Queen Mary replied that she didn't think that would be possible.

George V wouldn't have worried about not speaking to Wilhelm again - he didn't really ever like him but George V did miss Nicholas and, I think regretted very much that he was unable to help him, but realised that he had to put his own family first.
I made that reference because I read that information from a book that mentioned Bertie experiences in and immeadiately following WWI. Based on the book that I read, the exchange was between Bertie and Moretta Princess Viktoria of Prussia later Schaumburg-Lippe. I also remember that Bertie was not happy that the Princess had many pictures of the BRF on display.

I have many books on Bertie, David and the Kaiser. I can try to track it down but that is certainly my point of reference.
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Rumours rise of King's Speech Oscar boycott | Film | guardian.co.uk

I can't believe that this is gaining so much momentum. I don't like at all what George VI did here, but it's a huge and unfair leap to suggest he, even indirectly, conspired with Hitler.
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I can't believe that this is gaining so much momentum
I wouldn't give that too much credit. Whenever a movie has award momentum, something pops up that supposedly derails it. They said something similar for Helen Mirren and The Queen I believe. Except for Eddie Murphy in Dreamgirls, I have yet to see it actually happen.
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I wouldn't give that too much credit. Whenever a movie has award momentum, something pops up that supposedly derails it. They said something similar for Helen Mirren and The Queen I believe. Except for Eddie Murphy in Dreamgirls, I have yet to see it actually happen.
That's true.....I did overstate the case. I think the whole thing is ridiculous to be honest......

I may see the movie again this weekend; it's been a few weeks since I saw it last, lol
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So because George VI may have supported policies that made Jewish emigration difficult, it's impossible for a movie about him to be any good. How logical!
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I think the reference to Wilhelm and Nicholas has more to do with their style of government and what happened to them. Even if George VI and Edward VIII were not technically their "peers" they were cousins who reigned and were deposed as monarchs, and as such served as a reminder of what could potentially happen in England.
Thank you for your explanation about the reference to the Czar and to
the Kaiser who were not governing at the time (1936) the Duke of York made that reference.
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It was the upset winner of the Producers Guild Award last night in Hollywood.
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