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Old 01-04-2016, 01:02 PM
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Curtsying is just one aspect of it. What I meant is that Mary was in a situation were she was relatively close to other princesses of her age and, in the space of one or two years, many of those girlfriends of hers all of sudden outrank her as queen consorts. Again, that must be umcomfortable for her, at least sometimes.
Agree.

It's part of the show.

And after the curtsy I have noticed Queen Maxima, King Felipe, King Willem-Alexander, Queen Mathilde giving Mary a warm hug. (Those not mentioned I simply haven't noticed).

And behind closed doors I'm pretty certain they are simply friends on equal footing as they used to be.
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Letizia, Mary, Mathilde and Maxima used to be all crown princesses of similar age, so it is not surprising that they should bond easily. Then, however, Maxima became queen in 2013, followed by Mathilde and Letizia becoming queens in 2014, while Mary is still a crown princess. I agree with you that in all pictures and images where Mary is shown with those other aforementioned royal ladies, they seem to be quite close and friendly with one another, but I can't help thinking it must be awkward for Mary to have to curtsy to her "girlfriends" and to be given lower precedence (e.g. in seating etc.) in events such as weddings or state dinners. What do you guys think ?
I don't think that it would matter to Mary one little bit, we can of course read into something what we want. If it was to make a difference to anyone it would be Victoria after all she has been a princess all her life and then all of a sudden she has now to curtsy her new "girlfriends" that have only been around for a few years.
All in all what does it really matter they are friends and when they get together behind closed doors they probably laugh at it all.
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:42 PM
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Not really, no. She knows the game and her place and does it, I'm sure, automatically and without having any childish, petty thoughts about anything.... And she is not the only Crown Princess or Princess who has to do it as part of the "game".
I agree. It's part of 'the game'. I can't imagine Mary feeling 'awkward' about it. She's in such good shape she can execute those dips with finesse.
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I don't think that it would matter to Mary one little bit, we can of course read into something what we want. If it was to make a difference to anyone it would be Victoria after all she has been a princess all her life and then all of a sudden she has now to curtsy her new "girlfriends" that have only been around for a few years.
All in all what does it really matter they are friends and when they get together behind closed doors they probably laugh at it all.
I see potential for modern women to have a completely different and less-competitive response.

Were one of my friends to get the promotion she had worked toward all of her life I'd be thrilled for her and crowing in every way possible to celebrate the elevation. That would include a curtsy if that were the done thing. I'd be so happy to make that small gesture to acknowledge all her hard work.

Just because we here on the forums tend to want to rank and compare and micro-analyze every outfit, use of jewels, hairstyle, appearance, choice of makeup, etc. does not mean that the royal ladies are as critical as we are.

I just don't buy that they are all that concerned with the same stuff we are. And I think more than several of them are modern, inclusive women that do lean in.
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Old 01-26-2016, 12:42 PM
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I look at it quite differently. I think right now Mary has the best of all worlds. She doesn't have the responsibility of being a queen and what that requires but still has all the perks of a royal. She looks like she enjoys her position with her loving family and handsome husband. This small family seem very loving and close to each other and seems happy to always be together. So to curtsy to another [no matter who] on the odd occasion that it is required by custom, is no big deal. All part of the old 'showing of respect' which is done mostly for the benefit of the public. They expect it.. Mary could probably care less. If she didn't curtsy to all, the papers would have a field day. So she complies with a smile and probably laughs with others in private. Doesn't change who she is, just keeping up her part of the show which we seem to insist upon. I remember a few years ago when King W-A stated that at times all this bowing and curtsying among family and friends got a bit embarrassing. So not all royals think they should be greeted this way anymore. It is the custom and the public that require.
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I don't think that it would matter to Mary one little bit, we can of course read into something what we want. If it was to make a difference to anyone it would be Victoria after all she has been a princess all her life and then all of a sudden she has now to curtsy her new "girlfriends" that have only been around for a few years.
All in all what does it really matter they are friends and when they get together behind closed doors they probably laugh at it all.
Unlike her wedding day, today Mary has her own family and, unlike her friends, knows that for her husband to become King, his mother must die. Having suffered the loss of a loved parent, I don't believe she wishes the pain of "The Queen is Dead - Long Live the King" on Fred or the rest of her family just so she doesn't have to perform the odd curtsey!
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