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. The lightness of their existence was almost unbearable (larded with Music for Millions).
Well Prince Hendrik did make his son sit on a horse again when Frederik fell of .
. The lightness of their existence was almost unbearable (larded with Music for Millions).
Now I had to watch it - with my imperfect grasp of the German language. But I did understand that they touched upon - though not too deep I agree - on the struggles Frederik had as a young man about his position. May not seem a lot to others, but it was discussed in some length in his home country. But I do not agree with your all sports judgment.Just something about his love for sports and the rest became more or less a sort of love story because there was not so much more than the two walking, the two on their wedding day, the two after the birth of the children. The lightness of their existence was almost unbearable (larded with Music for Millions).
... had Frederik chosen his future job when he was 18 or 20, he would probably be a Greenland explorer. Nice that they had included his love of Greenland.
They actually didn't point out anything of that kind. That's your own personal interpretation.In the report about Maxima and Willem-Alexander an opponent of the monarchy said, that not Maxima and Willem-Alexander are social. They are social because a team of PR-persons decided that they must be social. I think it was good, that also opponents came to word. That they also show the controversy which exists in the Netherlands (the controversy between opponents and royalists).
In the report about Frederik and Mary they pointed out, that SHE self decided to be "social" and that SHE do so much for the integration of foreigners, and so on...
I personally think it's you who leaves all objectivity at home when it comes to Frederik and Mary and when it comes to the importance of the Dutch monarchy.Henri_M
I'm a royalist indeed, but I'm standing with both feet on the ground. Where ZDF walked the middle lane in the cases of Willem-Alexander & Máxima and of Haakon & Mette-Marit, they left all objectivity at home in the case of Frederik & Mary. ...
In the Danish situation ZDF had not so much to tell except irrelevancies. The Queen is effectively almost totally a-political and there is not much to tell about the Crown Prince. Just something about his love for sports and the rest became more or less a sort of love story because there was not so much more than the two walking, the two on their wedding day, the two after the birth of the children. The lightness of their existence was almost unbearable (larded with Music for Millions).
You are exaggerating.
Queen Margrethe was 32, that's not so very young, is it?
She is portrayed as a very dedicated and popular queen but not so good mother (confirmed by herself).
I don't know if this is unfortunate for her or for Frederik.
But it's more about Frederik's problems with his father and the role he was born into.
And they make quite clear that he was raised in a palace, that's actually one motive of the story. He was raised in a palace but his childhood was strict and cold, she was raised in a normal house but her childhood was idyllic and warm. No comparisons with orphans in Somalian refugee camps.
Obviously the political situation in Spain is problematic and Letizia is a more controversial figure than Mary,
Hi, Royal Darkness can you give us a summerize of Felipe and Letizia Docu?
Wow, I am impressed, that must have been a lot of work.Its difficult to give a complete summary but here are some points, it focuses mostly on the lives they led before they married IMO, the different upbringings etc the history of the Bourbons
Also I had some trouble when they put german on top of spanish, it was difficult to understand as Im not fluent in german, so Im sure there are some mistakes
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This is not meant as a description, it's a summary of what is said about them by the media, given in a sympathetic tone.then some descriptions of felipe, a man wihtout a scandal, a Prince who do not have any polo horses to fall of, A man with no mind of his own (like puppet I think they mean, not sure) as interesting a luke warm sangria, a mummys boy. But for the Press Letizia is the real poblem. A woman who wont be submissive enough for the role, a woman who wears to short skirts, who gestures to much, and who worse of allruins her fertility with her high stilettos, she is so thin, the diagnosis; anorexia.
No, it was taken in Spain and she says that she will go to Mexico to study and that there are many machos in Mexico. She has been warned to talk to the police, they are the worst.And a student video of Letizia in Mexico, I did not get what she was saying, sounds like a presentation of herself
They say Felipe was working late at night all alone in his office and saw Letizia on TV, which means: also working. This is spoken in an ironic tone. My guess is because there were so many different versions of how they met, in most of them they were working, whereas a famous German TV-star who was the girl-friend of a prince for several years claims that they met one evening through Letizia's CNN-ex-boyfriend who was also a friend of Felipe.Felipe should have noticed LEtizia on TV and arranged a meeting
No, he says: I feel like Sofia. (Before that he said that it took Sophia longer to accept Felipe's choice than Juan Carlos.)José Apezarena says he did not find Letizia the right choice for Queen of Spain
-No, I would have not chosen her, I wanted someone like Sofia. But it was the Prince who chose her.”
Yes, and they say her showing emotions at her sister's funeral won her a place in the Spanish people's hearts. Oh, dear.LAter she would self be in tragedy her favourite sister comitted suicide with an overdose of painkillers. Letizia hurries to the appartment, she sneaks in unnoticed to the press.
Here they are quoting the press again, in a critical tone towards the press.The kiss was as cold coffe.
Yes, that was IMO the most sugary ending of all sugary endings - thanks to Julio Iglesias. I wonder, why nobody complained about that.And a grain of gold from Mr Iglesias to finnish it of: Love is universall
More beautiful one cant say it, Good luck Felipe and Letizia
The end with fireworks and fanfares
I was referring to the docu about Felipe&Letizia.
There was more about politics and history and the current monarch in it than there was in the docus about the Norwegian, Danish and Dutch couples. A lot about Franco and the restoration of the monarchy and Juan Carlos saving the Spanish democracy (the Germans are fascinated by Juan Carlos). And the continuation of the monarchy seems more uncertain than in other countries. That's all I meant.
I dont know but everytime there is aquestion why Letizia and Felipe do or do not do something we hear about the difficult political situation
Its difficult to give a complete summary but here are some points, it focuses mostly on the lives they led before they married IMO, the different upbringings etc the history of the Bourbons
Also I had some trouble when they put german on top of spanish, it was difficult to understand as Im not fluent in german, so Im sure there are some mistakes
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Spain, the home of the Prince and the Princess of the people
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The narrators says something like Letizia plays the role of the "little dutyful wife" but it is no in her nature to play this role, that it is a marriage in a golden cage and asks wether the love will be strong enough so that they together can live up to the expectations of the spanish people.
and then a well chosen "expert" alla Julio Iglesias:
this right royal experts says it is obious how in love the couple is, and how important Letizia is at the side of her tall husband
Letizia comes from a family with no royal bloodlines, but Felipe stands by the side of his commoner princess
the narrator says he was always a welcome guests, esp amongst the women, Felipe was considered the best catch of the european gotha and that he could have had them all, the Thurn and Taxis princesses the habsburg daughters, even one of spains most famous tennisplayer:
Ms Sanchez-Vicario swoons over Felipe and says he is so tall and handsome, everyone thought heir Prince was so good looking and were in "love" with him. and She old him once, when she had got to know him, that she was in love with him when she was young. He was the dream of every woman
the the narrator says Felipe is supposed to have had 30 girlfirends/affairs, but the women who caught his heart would not be a Princess but the most beautiful face on the evening news.
The present Royal couple has brought the democraty back to spain
And then they do some funny/scary morphing of Felipes face into Felipe V, the first Bourbon on the spanish throne
and of Letizias face into Maria des los Mercedes, the first spanish born woman at the side of the spanish King, Letizia will be the second spanish born Queen. all other Princesses came from the forreign royal families.
also Letizia and Felipe must win the hearts of the Spaniards
Letizias former boss says he thinks the futer will be challenging for them, it is a difficult role where you just wait for your father to die so you can do the job you have been training for. He also says something like it will be difficult to fill their time with something worthwhile - at one point they will have granted 10 milllion spaniards an audience and wont know what else to do, just like Prince Charles who has become a carricature of himself, one becomes extravagant with time
then some descriptions of felipe, a man wihtout a scandal, a Prince who do not have any polo horses to fall of, A man with no mind of his own (like puppet I think they mean, not sure) as interesting a luke warm sangria, a mummys boy. But for the Press Letizia is the real poblem. A woman who wont be submissive enough for the role, a woman who wears to short skirts, who gestures to much, and who worse of allruins her fertility with her high stilettos, she is so thin, the diagnosis; anorexia.
Carolina of Waldburg says something like Letizia is always under immense scrutiny, what is she wearing, every gestures is watched, is she happy or sad, laughing or crying. It requires much disipline
Then something about Franco, Felipes grandmother thinks that the birth of Felipe helps the chances for the Bourbon to come back on the thrones
Felipe liked to tell jokes and the spaniards loves good jokes, says his biographer, once he should have told this joke about his father: JC went to a resturant and said to the waitor: Give me something I have not had before
and then the waitor says; have some brain then
Princess Sofia:
- I want to be there when the children comes home from school
- I bring them to school and pick them up when they are finnished
- I find that close contact with the parents are very important for the kids
About Letis childhood, she grew up with her two younger sisters, her aunt? says she was a very head strong girl, she wanted to do everything, and try again until she managed. She was a perfectionist already then.
She always knew what she wanted to do and would do better than everyone else, be a presenter at the radio.
Franco dies, Juan Carlos is back on the throne, and Felipe tries to pull his chair over to his mother during the ceremony, but a servant pulls it back towards his sisters. Felipe is now the new Heir
his most important lesson in politic he got during the coup- felipe is in evening school, the King sent a car to pick him at once, the situation was unsure, he had to be with the King in the Zarzuela the whole time, in the center of the events. JC told his son that he had to earn the crown everyday. After the coup the royal house was more popular than ever.
Letiza used to be a ballet dancer, for 10 years, her teacher tells: All the girls were fans of the prince and we had a competeion on who would write Felipe the best letter, Letizia won, and got a signed photo back from the prince, that is foresight, no?
Sofia decided that Felipe would go to Lakefield.
The Queens biographer Pilar Urbano says Felipe was a spoilt child and that the time in Canada was very difficult for him, but this helped him later when he went into the military academy in zaragosa.
We can hear Letizias first broadcast in the radio.
she fell in love and was married to her litterature teacher for a short time.
And a student video of Letizia in Mexico, I did not get what she was saying, sounds like a presentation of herself
And then about the painter Waldo Saavedra who fell head over heels with her, he said she was like an angel. his painting would later create a scandal, never before had there been a Queen to be that had shown her breasts. Later he said he was just "inspired ", that she only showed her face, the narrator finds it a very inventive explenation
Felipe in Georgetown. Pavlos sais they lived a normal life there, they shared a house and met women, in Washington noone recognised him, even if he is so tall, he is hard to miss.
Pilar Urbano: Queen Sofia was not amused with her sons women, he had many women, really many.
Carolina of Waldburg was considered the perfect queen, catholic, nobel and beautful. The press followed her everywhere.
she says. I rented a house with some friends in Madrid then we found out there were papparazzi in the house across the streets, you really cannot belive it. It was very difficult to live like that, with closed drapes.
Then about Eva Sannum, basicall a no-go a protestant model with divorced parents, a scandal
José Apezarena (felipes biographer) says it was difficult for Felipe to break up with her but he knew he could not marry against the will of the spaniards
the narrator says it was a bitter break up for the Prince, Felipe was determind this would not happen again.
Felipe should have noticed LEtizia on TV and arranged a meeting (just like TV-shop ey) the relationship had to be discreet, Letizia wanted it like that, she thought it could cost her career and her credibility.
José Apezarena says he did not find Letizia the right choice for Queen of Spain
- I would have not chosen Letizia. She really did not have the right qualifications. Her job, her family, her lack of political education.
-No, I would have not chosen her, I wanted someone like Sofia. But it was the Prince who chose her.”
Felipe had decide to marry him, when the King and queen thought of a profile for a daughter in law, than Im sure they did not think of someone like Letizia
-He insisted on marrying Letizia.
-He just introduced her to his parents. The King took the news well, Queen Sofia needed a more time.
A friend of Leti finds the critism of her "Let me finish" comment was stupid, it was lovingly ment she says.
After the terror in MAdrid, in Almudena she conforts the grieving, the Spaniards sees a woman with warmth and compassion.
LAter she would self be in tragedy her favourite sister comitted suicide with an overdose of painkillers. Letizia hurries to the appartment, she sneaks in unnoticed to the press.
Pilar Urbano says she was certain Letizia would bring a fresh wind into the the dusty bourbon dynasty, because she knew how the real world worked, she had stood in line for grocerys and lived in a small appartment
22 may 2004 the first wedding of a spanish heir in 100 yearrs takes place, 20 million Euros is the prize-tag. many spaniards considered the rain a bad omen, but notFelipe. infront of 1400 guests Felipe married the princes of the people. The kiss was as cold coffe.
Pavlos says tha yes it was grand but also intimate moments during the banquet. a wonderful show.
And a grain of gold from Mr Iglesias to finnish it of: Love is universall
More beautiful one cant say it, Good luck Felipe and Letizia
The end with fireworks and fanfares
They actually didn't point out anything of that kind. That's your own personal interpretation.
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The only thing I agree on is the fact that there was no anti-monarchy-viewpoint. Why give it in the Swedish, Norwegian and Dutch case and not in the Danish, are there no anti-monarchists? But on the other hand there was no anti-monarchist in Felipe&Letizia's docu either.
Well, you can see it that way too: Margrethe got the opportunity to show her statemanship at the age of 32. She didn't have that "heir waiting for the throne, watched by the media"-dilemma. Obviously Frederik is able to fulfill his duties as a regent when his mother is out of the country and to convince a former minister like Mimi Jakobsen that he will be a great king. What is he supposed to do. Shoot his mother?
But I guess as a member of a royal messageboard you tend to blow all royal things out of proportion.
Ah, that sounds rather reasonable . But still I have to make a sidemark. I think locals (in any monarchy) know much better what is going on, what the political power etc. of their royal family is than foreigners. Foreigners usually only tend to see pictures of a happy couple on a balcony, in a carriage etc. while we get more serious articles in newspapers and political magazines.
It seems people are more interested in the sugary side, also here. One picture of Leonor in Mallorca will get a zillion responses while a post about Belgian King Albert II breaking off his holidays to mediate between the parties that have to form a gouverment doesn´t get any attention at all. Now the latter shows the political relevance even in this time, but not many are interested (on this forum, in Belgium the news is much more important of course). That people are more interested in the sugary side is ok, but that doesn´t mean that the political relevance isn´t there.
Unlike some members on this board they see royals as decorative and perhaps socially but not politically important (with the exception of Juan Carlos and the monarchs during World War II).