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Old 07-25-2017, 04:08 AM
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Just a reminder that this thread is to discuss the television programme and that the Last Hours, Death, Transfer from France, Funeral and Interment is the place to discuss Diana's funeral.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:23 AM
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I saw the program last night. It was well worth watching and not a puddle of self indulgent backward looking woe. It was far more a celebration of a life.

The interviewing styles of the two brothers is so interestingly different. Harry is not so very careful when he speaks and it becomes so much more obvious when juxtaposed with his brother commenting. For many comments, Wills is against a darker backdrop and Harry in a light filled part of the room in KP. I found myself wondering if that was their choice or the producers? Interesting.

There was almost no Catherine - and I did not miss her at all as it is not her story. Ditto Her Majesty and the POW. William poignantly described how he alone can represent his mother to the children.

I was also surprised at how much memory the program dredged up for me. It was so nice to see her again, young and not jaded. Or to remember her toward the end of her life when she picked up the torch for causes that were decidedly unroyal at the time.

And I had forgotten her walk. When she walked it was the most elegant glide. And she would change speed without any change to the glide when she saw someone she wanted to greet. Just remembering that lovely, floating, almost magnetic pull in her stride was well worth the program.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:31 AM
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It's about Diana's. Catherine never met her. What would she add to the program?
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#DianaOurMother gets 6.9 million viewers and 33% share. It's the most watched factual programme on @ITV since February 2009.
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:18 AM
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The hysterics and entitlement of the masses put the Spencer's and RF in a situation that was not good for either family including the grieving kids. If Harry feels it shouldn't have been done to him then hopefully it will never be done again to a child. I do like that William and Harry later walked behind the QMs coffin.
Either way the funeral should have been private. I'm glad to hear this was all just about memories of Diana as a mom and not another Saint Diana piece.
Would you have said that the funeral should have been private if she were still an HRH ? Probably not. Tony Blair was right: Diana was officially no longer a member of the RF and the Queen may have stripped her of her title and rank, but, in the eyes of the public, she was still a senior royal and, as such, a public funeral was appropriate.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:19 AM
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My grandmother and I just watched the documentary. What a beautiful and touching program William and Harry dedicated to their mother. I loved the private pictures and videos. Also, the commentary from Earl Spencer, Lady Warren and others were great.

Although, I was a shocked not to see Diana's sisters, Jane and Sarah, in the doc. I thought they would want to share their memories too. Maybe it's too hard for them.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:59 AM
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The film is much better than I've expected. It was shrewd to focus on memories of Prince William and Prince Henry. I thought Prince Henry's recollection about matchy awkward clothes Princes wore as children added informality to the narration.
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:24 AM
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My grandmother and I just watched the documentary. What a beautiful and touching program William and Harry dedicated to their mother. I loved the private pictures and videos. Also, the commentary from Earl Spencer, Lady Warren and others were great.

Although, I was a shocked not to see Diana's sisters, Jane and Sarah, in the doc. I thought they would want to share their memories too. Maybe it's too hard for them.
I deliberately avoided this program, in fact I dreaded it. I had visions of maudlin and/or bitter commentary by the late princess's family and friends, with the Prince of Wales as a sort of invisible pinata in the background and everyone taking a passive aggressive swing at him. I had visions of videotape of Elton John warbling "Candle In the Wind" at her funeral, which frankly made me cringe then and now.

But reading your post and others has warmed my heart and made me wish I had seen it. It's just the way I want to remember Diana..fun, beautiful, loving her boys and being loved by them. We all know about her many flaws but why does anyone think her sons want to dredge them up now? I feel the same way about my own lost parents.

I made peace with the unhappy memories and dismiss them, and cling to the ones that bring me joy.

Thanks Dman, and everyone else for your comments.
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:26 AM
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I guess a good summary of last night program :

Planet Diana was a crazy place but even though she drove the royals (and me!) mad when she was alive the modern-minded sons she produced are probably their best hope of survival

PIERS: Diana drove me mad but her sons are the best hope | Daily Mail Online
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:42 AM
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#DianaOurMother gets 6.9 million viewers and 33% share. It's the most watched factual programme on @ITV since February 2009.
I wonder what the documentary was in February in 2009.

I have just started watching the documentary. I'll see how I feel at the end of it.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:01 PM
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I deliberately avoided this program, in fact I dreaded it. I had visions of maudlin and/or bitter commentary by the late princess's family and friends, with the Prince of Wales as a sort of invisible pinata in the background and everyone taking a passive aggressive swing at him. I had visions of of videotape of Elton John warbling "Candle In the Wind" at her funeral, which frankly made me cringe then and now.

But reading your post and others have warmed my heart and made me wish I had seen it. It's just the way I want to remember Diana..fun, beautiful, loving her boys and being loved by them. We all know her many, many flaws but why does anyone think her children want to dredge them up now? I feel the same way about my own lost parents.

I made peace with the unhappy memories and dismiss them, and cling to the ones that bring me joy.

Thanks Dman, and everyone else for your comments.
Hi Moonmaiden23,

I actually wanted to cry watching the program. Just watching William and Harry being so strong and very sincere about their mother just touched me. My mother is my rock and I would be lost without her. My heart goes out to the princes on their loss.

My heart goes out to Charles too. He too lost the woman who was his wife for 15 years and the mother of his two kids. Losing her and having to raise two kids as a single parent must've been hard. I think her passing is too hard for him, but I think the media keep Charles from sharing his memories of her. Everything would be twisted, so I think he stay out of it and leave it to their sons to talk.

The documentary was very tasteful, touching and memorable.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:45 PM
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DITTO....you took the words straight out of my mouth.

{ I think the media keep Charles from sharing his memories of her. Everything would be twisted, so I think he stay out of it and leave it to their sons to talk. ]

I remember that he wore a suit Diana loved to her funeral, and continued to wear his wedding ring up to his engagement and marriage to Camilla. But people were calling him a hypocrite and worse, and saying it was too late to do any good.

I also think he does now want to be insensitive to Camilla by waxing nostalgic about Diana even though I cannot think it would bother Camilla at this point. She has him as her husband now and forever and she must be secure in the knowledge that she has made him happier than Diana ever did.
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One of the books I read after her death talked about how visibly shaken and upset he was when he saw her, when he went to France to escort her body home.

That has always stuck with me, for all his sins he did care for her in some way even after all the acrimony ..it's been said they were in a better place in the months before her death (in their ability to be civil/kinder to each other when they had to speak etc).

I would of been very surprised if he had been on the show. I haven't seen it yet but someone mention they were surprised her sisters weren't on it...that doesn't surprise me at all.


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Old 07-25-2017, 01:09 PM
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DITTO....you took the words straight out of my mouth.

{ I think the media keep Charles from sharing his memories of her. Everything would be twisted, so I think he stay out of it and leave it to their sons to talk. ]

I remember that he wore a suit Diana loved to her funeral, and continued to wear his wedding ring up to his engagement and marriage to Camilla. But people were calling him a hypocrite and worse, and saying it was too late to do any good.

I also think he does now want to be insensitive to Camilla by waxing nostalgic about Diana even though I cannot think it would bother Camilla at this point. She has him as her husband now and forever and she must be secure in the knowledge that she has made him happier than Diana ever did.
He, William and Harry also wore the dark blue suits to her memorial service in 2007. Diana loved Charles in those suits.

No, Camilla likely wouldn't mind Charles reflecting on her, but the media would. I think the media prefer him not to say anything. Also, I think her passing is just too much for him. A lot of people were back in their camp corners (Charles vs Diana) for 10th anniversary service, but I took a good look at him during the service. The man looked like he was broken up all over again.

My condolences remain with the three precious princes Diana left behind.

It's good to know William always talk to George and Charlotte about their grandmother, who they never met. Grandmothers are so important and at least they still have Carole as their granny.
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Agree a 100%. So much not mentioned that shows the other side of Diana and some of the awful things she did which must have affected her sons.

William just touched on one aspect when he mentioned being careful about letting the media in - I think that was a reference to how Diana got too close which led to really bad stuff like the Morton book and the Bashir interview.

But it was a tribute and as such it was good to see; none of the usual suspects turned up - enjoyed input from William van Straubanzee, Lady Carolyn Warren and Harry Herbert.
Why on earth would they talk about "some of the awful things she did"? The title of this film was "Diana, Our Mother". It was a sweet, insightful and loving look back. I thought it was very tastefully done, and obviously was done as a tribute to her from her children who still miss and mourn her. I'm sure they're aware of her "other side" but good grief that "other side" has been dragged through the public square plenty of times by others. William said he wanted this to be a film he could show his kids, and he succeeded.
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Why on earth would they talk about "some of the awful things she did"? The title of this film was "Diana, Our Mother". It was a sweet, insightful and loving look back. I thought it was very tastefully done, and obviously was done as a tribute to her from her children who still miss and mourn her. I'm sure they're aware of her "other side" but good grief that "other side" has been dragged through the public square plenty of times by others. William said he wanted this to be a film he could show his kids, and he succeeded.
Exactly! This is why I don't understand why so many were getting so agitated about the program and saying the boys were trashing their father by doing it. For them it is not an either/or situation, they love both their parents, but their mother is gone and memories are what they have--best to remember the good things.
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One of the books I read after her death talked about how visibly shaken and upset he was when he saw her, when he went to France to escort her body home.

That has always stuck with me, for all his sins he did care for her in some way even after all the acrimony ..it's been said they were in a better place in the months before her death (in their ability to be civil/kinder to each other when they had to speak etc).

I would of been very surprised if he had been on the show. I haven't seen it yet but someone mention they were surprised her sisters weren't on it...that doesn't surprise me at all.


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Yes. Charles even stopped by for tea with her occasionally at Kensington Palace toward the end. When Prince William was confirmed shortly before Diana's death they(Charles and Diana) greeted one another with a kiss, I watched it on TV.

I don't think Diana was completely over the disappointment of the failure of her marriage but the idea that she was still raging against her former husband and wishing him ill is almost certainly fiction..
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Yes. Charles even stopped by for tea with her occasionally at Kensington Palace toward the end. When Prince William was confirmed shortly before Diana's death they(Charles and Diana) greeted one another with a kiss, I watched it on TV.

I don't think Diana was completely over the disappointment of the failure of her marriage but the idea that she was still raging against her former husband and wishing him ill is almost certainly fiction..
I remember seeing them at the confirmation (film) and thinking things are better between them by how they acted towards each other.


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NoHarry would probably have taken his cue from William, who with the option given to him could have responded differently. As it is, they feel it was something they were made to do.
I think it was certainly right for William. if he hadn't doen it, I'm sure he would have later felt that he left his mother at her last journey. They were told they did not have to do it but that Will at least might regret it, if he didn't and he had his family around him....
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