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Old 03-12-2018, 09:33 AM
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HM The King (Duke of Jämtland)
TRH The Duchess and Duke of Västergötland (Crown Princess Victoria and Prince Daniel)
HRH The Duchess of Östergötland (Princess Estelle)
HRH the Duke of Skåne (prince Oscar)
HRH The Duke and Duchess of Värmland (Prince Carl Philip and Princess Sofia)
HRH The Duke of Södermanland (Prince Alexander)
HRH The Duke of Dalarna (Prince Gabriel)
HRH The Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland (Princess Madeleine)
HRH The Duchess of Gotland (Princess Leonore)
HRH the Duke of Ångermanland (Prince Nicolas)
HRH The Duchess of Blekinge (Princess Adrienne)
I am having fun learning how to pronounce those Swedish names ! I guess I have figured out the vowel system now, but the different pronunciations of the letter 'g' still confuse me. Also, I find it very hard to know which syllable is stressed in Swedish words.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:09 AM
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Just for curiosity: Which of Swedish provinces do not currently have a Duke?
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:35 AM
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Just for curiosity: Which of Swedish provinces do not currently have a Duke?
Bohuslän, Dalsland, Halland, Härjedalen, Lappland, Medelpad, Norrbotten, Närke, Småland, Uppland, Västerbotten, Västmanland, and Öland.

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The only grandchildren whose kids will get a duchy are Estelle and Oscar.
It may be, but the court hasn't issued any statements regarding the titles of Carl Philip and Madeleine's grandchildren.

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What are princess astrid's children's titles
HI&RH or HRH?
Astrid of Belgium's children are titled HRH.
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Old 07-31-2018, 02:20 PM
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I apologize if that sounds like a dumb question, but how does one say "you" (or equivalent) in Swedish when addressing a Swedish royal ?



On a related, but different question, how would one say "you" to Mr Christopher O'Neill ?


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Old 07-31-2018, 05:00 PM
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I apologize if that sounds like a dumb question, but how does one say "you" (or equivalent) in Swedish when addressing a Swedish royal ?



On a related, but different question, how would one say "you" to Mr Christopher O'Neill ?


Thank you for your reply.
Not a stupid questions at all, actually there are many options to choose from in how the Swedish royal is adressed.

Many would just say "du" (you) and few would say "Ni" (You), the use of "Ni" in Swedish was almost removed in the 1960's.

Another option, which many would do, is to address the royal with their title, "Kungen" (the King), "Drottningen"(the Queen) etc. It sounds a bit complicated, but it avoids the royals to be addressed "du". For example:

"Skulle Kungen kunna berätta om x?" Could the King tell us about x?
"Vad anser Kronprinsessan om x?" What does the Crown Princess think about x?

I think many Swedes would address Christopher O'Neill with "du", in line with his decision to decline a title.
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Old 08-01-2018, 02:25 PM
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Not a stupid questions at all, actually there are many options to choose from in how the Swedish royal is adressed.

Many would just say "du" (you) and few would say "Ni" (You), the use of "Ni" in Swedish was almost removed in the 1960's.

Another option, which many would do, is to address the royal with their title, "Kungen" (the King), "Drottningen"(the Queen) etc. It sounds a bit complicated, but it avoids the royals to be addressed "du". For example:

"Skulle Kungen kunna berätta om x?" Could the King tell us about x?
"Vad anser Kronprinsessan om x?" What does the Crown Princess think about x?

I think many Swedes would address Christopher O'Neill with "du", in line with his decision to decline a title.



Thank you very much, Kingen. Your reply was very helpful.


I have just one more question: when the indirect third-person form of address is used (e.g. "the King"), are third-person possessive pronouns used too ? I mean, would you say


Would the King like his cup of coffee now ?


or


Would the King like your cup of coffee now ?





Thanks again.




EDIT: If "the King" were replaced with "Your Majesty", would that change the possessive pronoun too ?
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Old 08-01-2018, 02:51 PM
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Not being a speaker of Swedish I cannot answer the question with certainty but we did and sometimes still do something similar in our family when addressing our (much older) uncles and aunts. The formal 'u' seems to distant and the informal 'jij' not respectful enough, so the sentence (translated) 'Would aunt X like a/her cup of coffee?' (I'd try to avoid the possessive but if needed it would be her) would come completely natural to me (while my husband still isn't used to it - he would use the formal you instead).
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It's said in the official interview that Chris will not apply for the swedish citizenship. So he will stay british/amarican. And if I remember right titles are not possible / won't be recognized officially in any way in the american everyday life. So is it even possible to give him an official title / male version of Madeleines title (the title of a completely different country) if he doesn't want to change his citizenship?
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When reading Tom Clancys Patriot games were Jack is offered a knighthood for saving the Prince of Wales the question came up if he could accept that and still be US citizen. Why do I bring this up? Well, IF Madeleine and Chris get married, can Chris be Duke of Gavleborg without give up his citizenship?
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Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution states: "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State." So Chris, not being a public official, can legally hold the title of Duke. He probably wouldn't be addressed as such in the United States though. I think it's more a question if he can be a member of the Swedish Royal Family and hold dual citizenship
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Wouldn't Chris have to relinquish his U.S. citizenship to take a title? I know the American actress Jamie Lee Curtis' husband, Christopher Guest, is a British baron so she is a baroness by marriage but not in her own right. I know that the U.S. Constitution prevents members of the government from accepting titles, but I don't know what the law is regarding regular citizens.
In the British royal family, the Duchess of Sussex, who has remained an American, was legally recognized as Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex on her son's official birth registry and is addressed as Duchess of Sussex even in the United States. That seems to definitively answer these questions.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:54 PM
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Astrid of Belgium's children are titled HRH.
Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad
Let's say that the HRH titles are official Royal titles and that the king of Belgium uses them here, as reported by the Moniteur Belge. But out of courtesy the HI&RH-titles are used as well, so the children of an archduke of Austria should have them as well. Times have changed a lot and thus Amedeo and his siblings hold Belgian Royal titles and styles, but the historic titles and styles should be remembered as well, IMHO. (If you use those at all!)
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:38 PM
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Let's say that the HRH titles are official Royal titles and that the king of Belgium uses them here, as reported by the Moniteur Belge. But out of courtesy the HI&RH-titles are used as well, so the children of an archduke of Austria should have them as well. Times have changed a lot and thus Amedeo and his siblings hold Belgian Royal titles and styles, but the historic titles and styles should be remembered as well, IMHO. (If you use those at all!)
(Edited, as I believe I misinterpreted your post at first reading.)

I have never found a case of the king or any of the family using HI&RH after being granted the title of Prince or Princess of Belgium, but they do use Archduke or Archduchess of Austria-Este as a subsidiary title and Princess Anna Astrid, who is only a Princess and not a Princess of Belgium, uses the HI&RH. (The 2015 decree limited the HRH to Princes and Princesses of Belgium.)

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Old 10-07-2019, 04:16 AM
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Changes within the Royal Family. Prince Carl Philip's and Princess Madeleine's children loose their HRH and are not expected to perform duties.

https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcourt...e304a87a9.html
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:22 AM
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Not surprising at all.
The websites have been updated:
https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcourt...f21800060.html
https://www.kungahuset.se/kungafamil...b80002606.html
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:30 AM
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Good thing that they have seriously reconsidered the HRH situation, only wish that they had made up their mind before giving all the children titles then taking it away.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:43 AM
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It's going to be interesting to see what The Marshal of the Realm, Fredrik Wersäll, has to say at the press conference at 12.00.
I'm mostly surprised over the titles. As I've written several times here on the forums I didn't think The King would leave his grandsons without any hereditary titles and I couldn't even imagine a scenario where we'd have five non-royal dukedoms.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:56 AM
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I don't really understand if this means that the children will be removed from the line of succesion as well?
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I don't really understand if this means that the children will be removed from the line of succesion as well?
No, they are still in the line of succession
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I don't really understand if this means that the children will be removed from the line of succesion as well?
To remove them from the line of succession take a change of the constitution. As long as they're members of the Church of Sweden, get a Swedish education and get the monarch's permission to marry they're still in the line of succession. Although given that Princess Madeleine said only a few weeks ago that she had no plans to move back to Sweden "just yet" the removal of her children's succession rights could be a mere formality.
Though... I might be biting my tongue after the press conference. Let's wait half an hour and see.
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That clears things up. Especially concerning princess Madeleine's children.
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Just one question: When Sofia will get a third or Madeleine get a forth child, will this children get a dukedom or just be Prince/ss X?
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Good decision considering the royal family will be bigger and bigger which is not necessary. But it's strange that they granted the style but later decide to take them back.

Regarding the title, dukedom and succession rights, I guess the grandkids will voluntarily lose them by not asking the monarch's permissions for marriage in far future.
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