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On the news today in Sweden – we could see a glimpse from the very touching and worthy ceremony on Phuket International Airport today, as the remains of 6 dead Swedes were placed on the ground in their coffins, draped in the Swedish flag. Only a very small group was present; a state delegation, the military plane’s crew, priests, aid workers and relatives. The two priests from the Church of Sweden had chosen a few bible quotes and psalms – the only thing that could be heard was the engine of the plane as one of the priests quoted a Swedish bishop (translated from Swedish, of course):

“God we call out to you in our despair, anxiety and grief. We do not understand how this could happen. We see how small we stand before the forces of nature”

After the short ceremony, the coffins were carried onto a Swedish military plane for transport home to Sweden. The people that carried the coffins were aid workers from State or voluntary organisations, and they cried openly as they carried the coffins onto the huge plane.

These were the first remains of many hundreds, or in the worst case thousand, Swedes (these 6 were the first which has stated death certificates and their identities have been established, and could thereby leave the country) that will be taken home for their final rest eventually, and for both Sweden as a nation and the family and friends of the dead – this will be a long and painful process, unique in the history of our country. Sweden has so far been spared of transports of this kind; it is unique for a large number of Swedes dying in another country and being transported back to their home country to be buried in Swedish soil (Sweden has been at peace for almost 200 years, btw).

Click here to see the report from the ceremony, from SVT's news
Thanks for posting the video link. It was quite moving.

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Though I fear it´s in a way also a comparison of Spain and South Asia, I want to mention that much more money is needed to help all the people in South Asia. And here IMO again Royals could help to motivate people. Surely many feel the need to help without being motivated, but looking at all the many charity galas all over the world, we know that famous persons (to which I also count Royals) can help a lot to open the (money) wallets.
I read tonight that Sandra Bullock has given a million dollars to the American Red Cross for its Relief effort. Jackie Chan and Chow Yun-fat are two other internationally known stars who have given money for the relief effort. Others have as well. More will follow. The Royals can provide financial support as well but they can provide a different kind of support being symbols of their respective countries. The peoples of their nations look to them to provide comfort in this time of sorrow.
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Old 01-04-2005, 02:53 AM
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Wow. Seeing the coffins really did me in. I cried for 30 minutes or so. I’m a Floridian and have recently had some experience with the wrath of Mother Nature, thankfully without the severe death tolls of the tsunami. I remember seeing coffins of several members of a family that had been killed in Hurricane Charley and somehow seeing the coffins always makes it seem more real. And sadly there will only be more, many, many more.

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Old 01-04-2005, 08:26 AM
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According to a press release from the Royal Court today, the Royal Family intends to attend the ceremony held at Arlanda Airport tonight as the first coffins (from my post yesterday) arrive to Sweden.

Click here to read my summary of an article about Crown Princess Victoria's trip to Kenya (in the Victoria news thread).
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Old 01-04-2005, 10:16 AM
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Thank you for posting the article and thank you for translating, GrandDuchess.
I guess Ann-Christine Jernberg thinks, we are stupid. She couldn´t be reached on boxing day...and as you have said, what about the other days?! Victoria was high likely protected, was there also no contact to the bodyguards??? How could they then cooperate with the Royal court, when Victoria´s life is threatend??
And what about Victoria calling the Royal court or her parents?! Was there no radio/no TV which has informed Victoria?? They can´t tell me that!
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Translation from a press release from the Royal Court today:

The King intends to visit Thailand
H.M. The King intends to visit Thailand and personally convey his thanks for King Bhumibol and thereby thank the whole Thai nation for their sacrificing way in which Swedish citizens have been helped in Thailand.

When such a visit is suitable to take place will be decided in consultation with the Prime Minister and contacts with the Thai Royal Family and the Thai Government.

Statement by H.M. The King:
- From many directions, there have been witnessed of the incredible helpfulness that the Thai authorities, organisations, companies and individual have shown Swedish citizens. During talks with Swedes, I have become strongly touched by their stories and therefore I want to personally, on behalf of all Swedes, show our great appreciation. The forms for how this should take place will be decided in consultation with the Swedish Government.
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Personally I´ve always understood TRF as an board, where all opinions can be shared on Royalty. One of our most important rules is, that members don´t attack each other. And I can´t see, that I´ve done that. :) Further I also don´t have the feeling, that I´ve said something, which has no background. Yes, I can´t say for sure, how the conditions were for Victoria in Kenya, but I can´t imagine she didn´t get to know of the catastrophy until yesterday.
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Old 01-04-2005, 02:58 PM
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The King intends to visit Thailand [to] convey his thanks for ... [in a form] decided in consultation with the Swedish Government.
Wow !
... it sounds to me as if the King took some initiative!

Bravo ! BRAVO! B-R-A-V-O!

I hope this marks the beginning of a turn around in improving the relations between the King and the Government !
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Maybe. That´s your opinion and I respect that.
But as you have surely noticed, we moderators also post our opinions on Royal things. And in this case it´s my opinion that the spokesman of the court has acted not very wise.

Personally I´ve always understood TRF as an board, where all opinions can be shared on Royalty. One of our most important rules is, that members don´t attack each other. And I can´t see, that I´ve done that. :) Further I also don´t have the feeling, that I´ve said something, which has no background. Yes, I can´t say for sure, how the conditions were for Victoria in Kenya, but I can´t imagine she didn´t get to know of the catastrophy until yesterday.
I agree about respecting each others opinion, of course, but

is it possible that

there are things going on that you cannot imagine about victoria's life?

The tolerance we show to each other does not seem to extend to her.
she is dropped like a hot potato and her behaviour condemned even though we do not know the particular circumstances. It is merciless to think that she would act in a way that is rationally and emotionally to most decent people unexplainable.
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:07 PM
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The list of the missing confirmed or otherwise for Sweden has gone down. It is now 702 confirmed missing with 1,201 others who they think are missing. Maybe they just haven´t contacted yet. We hope.
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Accually I think A-C J made it worse. Had she said nothing else than Victoria is comming home now. OK fair enough. But now she starts with things like "she could not be reachen on the 26th. and then brings her home 8 days later!!! Noone belives that Victoria can not be reached, she has the police with her at all times, and its not like they turn of the cell phones. Ok maybe they could not reach her the 26, but that now leads to a whole lot of another questions, did they want her to come home then, why did they not call her the next day or the day after that and so on, or why did Victoria not feel the urge to call home as soon as she heared about it, Im sure the police or someone else must have told her. Sloppy PR by ACJ

Im glad Victoria is comming home but I think it is to late, its just so unlike her to want to be on vacation when Sweden is going to trough its most terrible time in modern times
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I agree about respecting each others opinion, of course, but

is it possible that

there are things going on that you cannot imagine about victoria's life?

The tolerance we show to each other does not seem to extend to her.
she is dropped like a hot potato and her behaviour condemned even though we do not know the particular circumstances. It is merciless to think that she would act in a way that is rationally and emotionally to most decent people unexplainable.
Yes, well, maybe I should change the (agressive seeming?) tone of my messages. But there´s still the fact, that I´m disappointed. I can see, that it seems now overwhelming (in a bad way) how Victoria is bashed here. But just think of the times, in which she got "top grades" and a lot of praise of members here. Victoria has always headed popularity polls here, while other Royals got for some reasons less votes or criticism. Then again some Royals seem to "enjoy"/experience a changing popularity. When they have done something wrong, they are criticised, and when they have done something very impressing (best example is the swedish king, who is getting our greatest respect right now), then they are praised. And this is IMO the fairest way: Criticise ppl in the times you think, they have acted wrong and praise them for doing things, which seem right to you. The catastrophy happened only 9 days ago, so why not criticising her right now? For me I can say, that I will give her a second chance and that I will praise things in the future, which impress me in a positive way!
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is it possible that there are things going on that you cannot imagine about victoria's life?

The tolerance we show to each other does not seem to extend to her.
she is dropped like a hot potato and her behaviour condemned even though we do not know the particular circumstances. It is merciless to think that she would act in a way that is rationally and emotionally to most decent people unexplainable.
This was a personal relaxing and getting-away trip for her, as told by the Court – what else is there to know?

Victoria has always been, and still is, one of my favourite royals, and I admire the hard work she has done and does – but to be out of the country on a personal vacation to relax as her country is going through the worst catastrophe in modern time – that’s just not acceptable from my side. A huge mistake.

I give her praise when she deserves it - and critizism when she deserves it. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be - a balanced view of things? No one has mentioned dropping her like a hot potato when she does something one doesn't like, only that we need to have a balanced wiev - and this is mine.

And just as Lena said, I can’t imagine that Victoria lived in some little village and slept in a hut with a tribe or something…. And she has to have her two Säpo guards with her, and they are in constant contact with the head quarter in Stockholm – so Ann-Christine Jernberg’s comment that they couldn’t reach Victoria on Boxing Day is just ridiculous. They had every chance to reach her on the other 7 days, and I would be surprised it they also couldn’t have done that via Säpo on Boxing Day too…

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Accually I think A-C J made it worse. Had she said nothing else than Victoria is comming home now. OK fair enough. But now she starts with things like "she could not be reachen on the 26th. and then brings her home 8 days later!!! Noone belives that Victoria can not be reached, she has the police with her at all times, and its not like they turn of the cell phones. Ok maybe they could not reach her the 26, but that now leads to a whole lot of another questions, did they want her to come home then, why did they not call her the next day or the day after that and so on, or why did Victoria not feel the urge to call home as soon as she heared about it, Im sure the police or someone else must have told her. Sloppy PR by ACJ

Im glad Victoria is comming home but I think it is to late, its just so unlike her to want to be on vacation when Sweden is going to trough its most terrible time in modern times
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i think ETW is missed at the court's PR office
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i think ETW is missed at the court's PR office
Im sure she is ACJ must be on some kind of Power trip over her newly recieved power, that keeps her from holding her tongue straight. There are such things as too much information, also for royals
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Im sure she is ACJ must be on some kind of Power trip over her newly recieved power, that keeps her form holding her tongue straght. There are such things as too much information, also for royals
Yes, very good. I hope my prediction happens then!
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On a different note, I am very impressed to hear of King Carl Gustav's decision to go to Thailand personally. I have to say that in equal proportion to my disappointment in his daughter and her lack of presence I am in equal proportion impressed with his own actions during this crises.

Before this matter, I always regarded him as a bit of a curmudgeon who seemed like a big grump. But in light of this crises, I am most impressed with his caring qualities which have been exhibited on more than one occasion publicly as well as his leadership by example. The Swedish people must be very proud to have a leader amongst them who does not hide in times of crises but takes the bull by the horns, guides, supports and leads his subjects with a level head.
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Before this matter, I always regarded him as a bit of a curmudgeon who seemed like a big grump. But in light of this crises, I am most impressed with his caring qualities which have been exhibited on more than one occasion publicly as well as his leadership by example. The Swedish people must be very proud to have a leader amongst them who does not hide in times of crises but takes the bull by the horns, guides, supports and leads his subjects with a level head.
Yes, they are. Well, many are and many more should be. He has done quite well this last week. Well said.

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These were the first remains of many hundreds, or in the worst case thousand, Swedes (these 6 were the first which has stated death certificates and their identities have been established, and could thereby leave the country) that will be taken home for their final rest eventually, and for both Sweden as a nation and the family and friends of the dead – this will be a long and painful process, unique in the history of our country.
The plane has arrived in Stockholm. The King, Queen Silvia, Crown Princess Victoria, Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine were there to meet it along with the Prime Minister, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament and Archibishop Hammar. Also 25-30 relatives were present. The King and the Prime minister talked privately with the relatives.
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The plane has arrived in Stockholm. The King, Queen Silvia, Crown Princess Victoria, Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine were there to meet it along with the Prime Minister, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament and Archibishop Hammar. Also 25-30 relatives were present. The King and the Prime minister talked privately with the relatives.
They - the relatives - are in my prayers.
As, are the parents of that Swedish lad who has apparently been kidnapped in Thailand.
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According to a few articles, the Royal Children cried openly at the ceremony.

Here are a few photos from the ceremony from Reuters and newspapers:
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They - the relatives - are in my prayers.
As, are the parents of that Swedish lad who has apparently been kidnapped in Thailand.
For those who don´t know the story, here it is:

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A TEAM of Swedish detectives has flown to southern Thailand after doctors reported that a boy of 12 from Stockholm had been kidnapped from a public hospital as he recovered from minor injuries caused by the tsunami.

The disappearance of Kristian Walker from the hospital on the holiday island of Phuket followed a warning from the Swedish branch of Save the Children that orphaned youngsters of all nationalities left alone after the disaster were particularly vulnerable to paedophiles.

Kristian was separated from his mother, Madeleine, 45, brother David, 14, and sister Anna, seven, when a huge wave ripped through the beachside villa in which the family was staying in the popular resort of Khao Lak.

In the wake of the disaster, the boy’s father, Dan, 47, and grandfather Daniel, 78, flew straight to Phuket to search for members of the family, finally tracking down Kristian’s brother and sister to a hospital six miles from their holiday home.

After days of searching, Dan Walker returned to Sweden with the two distressed children, assuming his wife and Kristian had perished.

The boy’s grandfather, an American who lives in Florida, agreed to stay behind and continue the search for his grandson and daughter-in-law, and on Sunday he showed a photograph of Kristian to nurses during a visit to a hospital about 20 miles from Khao Lak.

The photograph of the boy was recognised by a doctor who told the pensioner that his grandson had been taken away by a westerner who claimed to be his guardian.

Speaking from his home in Stockholm last night, Dan Walker said: "At first, we thought my son Kristian was almost certainly dead and I returned home with my two surviving children, but then my father visited a hospital 30 kilometres away from the resort they were staying in and several staff reacted when they were shown the picture."

He went on: "They told him that Kristian was seen on the day of the disaster and the following day sitting on the outpatients’ bench being treated for scratches and bruises. He was seen on both days with a man. We are now convinced that this man has abducted my son and I have contacted the police in Stockholm who have already dispatched two detectives to investigate his potential kidnapping. It is our worst nightmare.

"On the one hand, I am immensely relieved that there is a glimmer of hope he survived, but we have no idea who he is with or whether he is in danger. Kristian’s mother is still missing."

In Phuket yesterday, Makmur Sunusi, an official in Thailand’s interior ministry, said he was uncertain as to the boy’s fate. He said: "We cannot say that it has happened, because at the moment it is a chaotic situation."

However, Kampongsree Somprutthar, the hospital doctor who recognised the photograph, said she was certain that the boy had been abducted.

She went on: "Kristian was here in the hospital - I have no doubt about that.

"He was taken away by a man a few days after the tsunami hit. I have described him to the police as ‘European-looking, with a moustache and a red shirt’."

The Swedish foreign ministry confirmed yesterday that four detectives from Stockholm had been sent out to Thailand to co-operate with local officials in the search for the schoolboy.

A spokesman said: "There are many issues and challenges facing the authorities in southern Thailand, and we felt our own police officers could assist them in the search for Kristian.

"His family are obviously deeply concerned about his safety, and the witness statements we have been made aware of to date certainly suggest Kristian is still alive. If he is, we will be doing everything we can to find him."

Details of Kristian’s apparent abduction came only 24 hours after the Swedish head of Save the Children warned that children who ended up alone after the natural disaster were potential targets for sexual abuse by paedophiles.

She said: "The experience from other catastrophes is that children are particularly vulnerable. There are already indications that surviving children had been sexually abused in Sri Lanka, one of the countries suffering worst from the tsunami.

"This is an area of the world where child trafficking is a major criminal enterprise and, with so many children isolated or detached from their families, it is obviously an area of serious concern, especially as a great deal of youngsters are presumed to be dead and [they are] therefore even more vulnerable to be trafficked to work in brothels or in factory sweatshops across Asia."

The Swedish authorities’ swift response to Kristian’s apparent kidnapping is in stark contrast to their initial reaction to the tragedy.

Laila Freivalds, the country’s foreign minister, is facing calls for his resignation after it emerged that he went off to the theatre on 27 December, just as the magnitude of the tsunami disaster was becoming apparent.

With 52 Swedes confirmed to have been killed in the disaster and about 702 others missing, Sweden has been traumatised over the past week. That shock is now turning to anger with the government.

Despite pleas from Swedish doctors in Thailand on 28 December to transport injured Swedes immediately to European hospitals for treatment, the first two air ambulances did not leave Stockholm until 30 December.

Analysts have warned that the country’s Social Democratic government could pay the price for its perceived slow response to the crisis when Swedes go to the polls in national elections next year.
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