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Old 03-12-2018, 10:23 AM
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Line of succession
King Carl XVI Gustaf (born 1946)[3]
(1) Crown Princess Victoria, Duchess of Västergötland (b. 1977)[4]
(2) Princess Estelle, Duchess of Östergötland (b. 2012)[7]
(3) Prince Oscar, Duke of Skåne (b. 2016)[8]
(4) Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland (b. 1979)[9]
(5) Prince Alexander, Duke of Södermanland (b. 2016)[10]
(6) Prince Gabriel, Duke of Dalarna (b. 2017)[citation needed]
(7) Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland (b. 1982)[11]
(8) Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (b. 2014)[12]
(9) Prince Nicolas, Duke of Ångermanland (b. 2015)[13]
(10) Princess Adrienne, Duchess of Blekinge (b. 2018)[14]
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:24 AM
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The last time there were 10 in line for the Swedish throne were september 20th, 1918
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:30 AM
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Line of succession
King Carl XVI Gustaf (born 1946)[3]
(1) Crown Princess Victoria, Duchess of Västergötland (b. 1977)[4]
(2) Princess Estelle, Duchess of Östergötland (b. 2012)[7]
(3) Prince Oscar, Duke of Skåne (b. 2016)[8]
(4) Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland (b. 1979)[9]
(5) Prince Alexander, Duke of Södermanland (b. 2016)[10]
(6) Prince Gabriel, Duke of Dalarna (b. 2017)[citation needed]
(7) Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland (b. 1982)[11]
(8) Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (b. 2014)[12]
(9) Prince Nicolas, Duke of Ångermanland (b. 2015)[13]
(10) Princess Adrienne, Duchess of Blekinge (b. 2018)[14]
If it were not for the amendments of the Act of Succession in 1980, not a one of them would be in the line to the throne now.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:22 PM
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The long title of Swedish princes in those days was HRH Prince xxx, Arvfurste (Hereditary Prince) of Sweden, Duke of xxx. There is a precedent for conserving part of this title when forfeiting succession rights. King Oscar II's second son Oscar married a non-royal woman and gave up his succession rights and the titles of HRH, Arvfurste and Duke. However, he kept the title of Prince and was known from then as Prince Oscar Bernadotte, without the HRH.

As for retaining the ducal title after losing the HRH, while there is no actual precedent, there is the court's declaration that Jonas Bergström would share Princess Madeleine's ducal title but not become a prince. Was it seen as a planned act of ennoblement back then? If it was, the king could have convincingly argued that it would not be, given that no dukes have ever been in the nobility of Sweden - only the royal house.

A fourth question is if the King sees the possible eventual removal of Leonore, Nicolas, and Adrienne from the line of succession as extending to their future children. In the case that Leonore were raised in the United States, and later moved to Sweden where she raised her own children, withdrawing royal titles from Leonore would create questions if her children were in the line of succession.

That would be very sensible (I would propose limiting it by proximity to any monarch instead of the current monarch in order that no one is forced to lose their succession rights or titles when there is a change of reign) as it would avoid the delicate situation in some other monarchies with private citizens who are not even princesses or princes theoretically being required to be king/queen if something happened to the royals.
Exactly, in the Netherlands they had to make a special provision for princess Margriet to remain a member of the royal house when Willem-Alexander ascended the throne (this was already anticipated in 2002 and arranged back then) while she was the daughter of a queen and the sister of another queen and dedicated her whole life to royal service. Willem-Alexander's brother, however, will no longer be a member of the royal house when his niece Catharina-Amalia ascends the throne (but will remain in line to the throne; his children - Catharina-Amalia's cousins will loose their succession rights).

My suggestion for the Swedish royal family would be to reduce the official 'royal house' (or king's family) to the monarch, his children and the heir's children; and include any other grandchildren as 'members of the royal family but not the royal house' - keeping their succession rights. I don't see why their children would need to remain part of the royal family. CP's offspring could become counts Bernadotte, so their descendance in male-line of the royal family remains clear. Madeleine's grandchildren (by Nicolas) can revert back to O'Neill.

So, 2nd degree from any monarch or heir (from an approved marriage) would be my proposed requirement to be in line to the throne.
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