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Old 06-29-2014, 11:07 AM
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I find the fb massage very cold, too. 'wife-to-be' not even mentioning her name.
That's not correct, the message on FB is: "I'm so happy for my brother and Sofia, his wife to be!"

Did some scrolling on FB-page, at CP's recent birthday she posted:
"Happy Birthday Carl Philip!"
That's also pretty much as basic a message as you can post there ;-) I write more birthday-words for FB-friends I barely know
So either they're not that close or we shouldn't think to much behind these messages..
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:16 AM
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That's not correct, the message on FB is: "I'm so happy for my brother and Sofia, his wife to be!"

Did some scrolling on FB-page, at CP's recent birthday she posted:
"Happy Birthday Carl Philip!"
That's also pretty much as basic a message as you can post there ;-) I write more birthday-words for FB-friends I barely know
So either they're not that close or we shouldn't think to much behind these messages..
We know the siblings are very close and people are reading too much into the messages and even the pictures. I think that's being done because some folks are looking for a sign from the family of not liking Sofia or the engagement. They dislike her so therefore they want the family to dislike her.
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:28 AM
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We know the siblings are very close and people are reading too much into the messages and even the pictures. I think that's being done because some folks are looking for a sign from the family of not liking Sofia or the engagement. They dislike her so therefore they want the family to dislike her.
Well, to me Madeleine's congratulation was cold, but appropriate. But she didn't welcome Sofia to the royal family.
When Daniel had his 40th birthday last year, Madeleine wrote:
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Old 06-29-2014, 12:03 PM
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Well, to me Madeleine's congratulation was cold, but appropriate. But she didn't welcome Sofia to the royal family.
When Daniel had his 40th birthday last year, Madeleine wrote:
Happy 40th Birthday Daniel! It is so wonderful that you are part of our family!
So it's a different message, that don't mean anything. Victoria & Madeleine has welcomed Sofia to the family in many ways. They both very happily invited her to their weddings and baby christenings. Sofia was even pictured in the official photographs during Madeleine's wedding celebrations. They all seem very close and it's very evident.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:20 PM
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A bit off topic: I am not sure but as far as I recall Sofia wasn't invited to Victoria's wedding. Does someone remember if she was there ?
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:38 PM
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A bit off topic: I am not sure but as far as I recall Sofia wasn't invited to Victoria's wedding. Does someone remember if she was there ?

Victoria got married before Sofia and Carl Philip's relationship had even been confirmed to the press, so no, she wasn't there.


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Old 06-29-2014, 03:12 PM
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That's not correct, the message on FB is: "I'm so happy for my brother and Sofia, his wife to be!"

Did some scrolling on FB-page, at CP's recent birthday she posted:
"Happy Birthday Carl Philip!"
That's also pretty much as basic a message as you can post there ;-) I write more birthday-words for FB-friends I barely know
So either they're not that close or we shouldn't think to much behind these messages..
Probably the last... we shouldn't think too much behind these messages.

Maybe they phoned before she posted the message and what was important was said directly. No need for elaborate FB communication.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:27 PM
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To me the engagement day tells a lot about how the things are at the swedish royal family. Madeleine and Chris were celebrating Chris' birthday in an unknown place, and Victoria, Daniel and Estelle were on holiday with Daniel's family.

But the couple wanted to publish the engagement anyway. So, on the "most happiest day" of Carl Philip's life, there wasn't a great family celebration, just a forced dinner with the couple's parents. According to the director of the press department, the whole family will meet each other on Victoria's birthday, 14th July.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:43 PM
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So it's a different message, that don't mean anything. Victoria & Madeleine has welcomed Sofia to the family in many ways. They both very happily invited her to their weddings and baby christenings. Sofia was even pictured in the official photographs during Madeleine's wedding celebrations. They all seem very close and it's very evident.
Remember one thing, the girls, V/M are still daughters of the king and when he says jump they will probably jump.........and no one knows for sure if they are truly happy with this up coming marriage. They must and I use that word MUST appear before the public as a happy family for they are the image of the royal family and *Must show a happy face to the world that all is right with them*, that is their mystic that they must perform on a daily basis when something in the family happens for the world to see. So I don't believe in stage pictures or happy endings that all is right with this engagement. The smiles on the queen's face look forced and not very happy,,, the words on Maddie's face book page are just simple plain words, no emotions, no joy, not nothing but plain simple words. Maddie has shown more warmth and love to Daniel who is truly more a royal then the king himself. Actions speak more louder then any word.
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Old 06-29-2014, 04:02 PM
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We know the siblings are very close and people are reading too much into the messages and even the pictures. I think that's being done because some folks are looking for a sign from the family of not liking Sofia or the engagement. They dislike her so therefore they want the family to dislike her.
I just found this photo and there are others that show more then this, this is a grown woman, an adult who has a brain and made the decision to do this..............this is not okay. This is not someone who should become a princess and represent a country with her good works, project playground from what I have read has become a sham........it will take decades of great charity work, no more talking to the press and blabbing away about things that shouldn't be said, no more naked pictures and a spotless record before I would think to give her the respect that people are giving her today, respect is EARNED not GIVEN because you marry into a royal family.
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Old 06-29-2014, 04:13 PM
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So it's a different message, that don't mean anything. Victoria & Madeleine has welcomed Sofia to the family in many ways. They both very happily invited her to their weddings and baby christenings. Sofia was even pictured in the official photographs during Madeleine's wedding celebrations. They all seem very close and it's very evident.
Victoria and Madeleine didn't invite Sofia to anywhere. Sofia wasn't invited at Victoria's and Daniel's wedding. According to the swedish press the king and the queen were the hosts at Madeleine's wedding and the Marshal of the Realm sent the invitations on their names. The invitations to Estelle's and Leonore's christening said "The King and Queen invite..."
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It has been told many times in swedish press and in TV-interviews that the king makes the final decisions. Victoria and Madeleine couldn't change the royal etiquette. The swedish press has told that Sofia asked Carl Philip to press the king that she was invited to Estelle's christening. And because Sofia was invited, also Chris was invited. So the king changed the etiquette, one could attend at the royal events even though one wasn't engaged with a royal family member.
But what has been noticeable, Sofia (or Chris) hasn't attended at the concert on Victoria's birthday. Daniel couldn't attend before they were engaged, so Sofia or Chris couldn't attend either. The court doesn't organize the concert. Either the decision is made by Victoria, or the king sees the concert as a state event. We all remember that Sofia wasn't invited to king's 40th Jubilee events, but she was invited to queen Sofia's 70th birthday concert.

It was the king and queen who first showed themselves with Carl Philip and Sofia at a holiday in St. Tropez. Victoria, Daniel, Madeleine and Chris were with Carl Philip and Sofia at a concert in Borgholm in July 2012, it looked like a PR-move by the court. Madeleine was once photographed at a lunch with Carl Philip and Sofia after it was written many times at the swedish press that Madeleine can't stand Sofia at all. So it looked like a PR-move ordered by the king.
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Old 06-29-2014, 04:37 PM
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Victoria and Madeleine didn't invite Sofia to anywhere. Sofia wasn't invited at Victoria's and Daniel's wedding. According to the swedish press the king and the queen were the hosts at Madeleine's wedding and the Marshal of the Realm sent the invitations on their names. The invitations to Estelle's and Leonore's christening said "The King and Queen invite..."
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It has been told many times in swedish press and in TV-interviews that the king makes the final decisions. Victoria and Madeleine couldn't change the royal etiquette. The swedish press has told that Sofia asked Carl Philip to press the king that she was invited to Estelle's christening. And because Sofia was invited, also Chris was invited. So the king changed the etiquette, one could attend at the royal events even though one wasn't engaged with a royal family member.
But what has been noticeable, Sofia (or Chris) hasn't attended at the concert on Victoria's birthday. Daniel couldn't attend before they were engaged, so Sofia or Chris couldn't attend either. The court doesn't organize the concert. Either the decision is made by Victoria, or the king sees the concert as a state event. We all remember that Sofia wasn't invited to king's 40th Jubilee events, but she was invited to queen Sofia's 70th birthday party.

It was the king and queen who first showed themselves with Carl Philip and Sofia at a holiday in St. Tropez. Victoria, Daniel, Madeleine and Chris were with Carl Philip and Sofia at a concert in Borgholm in July 2012, it looked like a PR-move by the court. Madeleine was once photographed at a lunch with Carl Philip and Sofia after it was written many times at the swedish press that Madeleine can't stand Sofia at all. So it looked like a PR-move ordered by the king.
Great post and very factual! And let's not forget that Sofia is never seen at Madeleines birthday celebrations ....it's usually her , Chris , Victoria , Daniel and a few of her friends ...since it's her event it seems that Sofia is never invited...as opposed to the ones hosted by the king as you said.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:36 PM
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I thought Sofia attended Victoria & Daniel's wedding but she did attend the Christening of baby Estelle though. Despite everyone else going against her, the family has done nothing but embrace Sofia and that speak volumes and must have meant a lot to Prince Carl Philip.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:04 PM
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What the KING says must go regardless of whether the girls like it or not(for the time being), they all MUST show a happy face for that is the facade that the public wants.
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Or maybe just maybe things are just as they seem and Madeleine and Victoria are accepting of their brothers choice. They may not be thrilled but is there any proof that they actually have any kind of problem with Sofia.
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I think they are genuinely happy with Prince Carl Philip's choice in girlfriend/fiancee and soon to be wife. I don't think they are trying to put a false facade on in public.

It seems like the only people who aren't happy about this engagement are some online posters.
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I think that Victoria and Daniel are supporting CP and Sofia. They've been there. Madeleine and Emma Pernald are close friends, so it's not surprising that she might be a little more distant against Sofia. But both Victoria and Madeleine are human, and they love their brother. If Sofia is what/whom makes him genuinely happy, that should be enough for them to accept her. And I think that's just what they do.
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It was the king and queen who first showed themselves with Carl Philip and Sofia at a holiday in St. Tropez. Victoria, Daniel, Madeleine and Chris were with Carl Philip and Sofia at a concert in Borgholm in July 2012, it looked like a PR-move by the court. Madeleine was once photographed at a lunch with Carl Philip and Sofia after it was written many times at the swedish press that Madeleine can't stand Sofia at all. So it looked like a PR-move ordered by the king.
Except from my perspective, at least, it was not convincing.

In fact, there was far more interaction between Daniel and Victoria, and Madeleine and Chris - as loving couples - than there was between Carl Philip and Sofia at that time. They were physically distant from each other - and physically distant from the other two couples. That's my memory. It was noticeable enough so that i have wondered from that time if there would ever be a marriage.

To me the long drawn out wait has suggested problems behind the scenes. I have thought more and more as the time dragged on that the engagement was not going to happen.


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Great post and very factual! And let's not forget that Sofia is never seen at Madeleines birthday celebrations ....it's usually her , Chris , Victoria , Daniel and a few of her friends ...since it's her event it seems that Sofia is never invited...as opposed to the ones hosted by the king as you said.
I think this will just become the norm - this is the 'split' in the family that's been referred to. We have been seeing this for while.

Those friends include Emma Pernald. Sofia would have to be willing to party with Emma. Or - Madeleine will henceforth not invite Emma. That's what happened at the christening of Leonore - Sofia came, Emma did not - which given that Madeleine and Emma are friends, is telling. The two women will not be in the same room - but who is making this requirement? Emma? Sofia? Madeleine? Carl Philip?
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Remember one thing, the girls, V/M are still daughters of the king and when he says jump they will probably jump.........and no one knows for sure if they are truly happy with this up coming marriage. They must and I use that word MUST appear before the public as a happy family for they are the image of the royal family and *Must show a happy face to the world that all is right with them*, that is their mystic that they must perform on a daily basis when something in the family happens for the world to see. So I don't believe in stage pictures or happy endings that all is right with this engagement. The smiles on the queen's face look forced and not very happy,,, the words on Maddie's face book page are just simple plain words, no emotions, no joy, not nothing but plain simple words. Maddie has shown more warmth and love to Daniel who is truly more a royal then the king himself. Actions speak more louder then any word.
And now you know how Maddie feels about Daniel, I assumed she called you. And Silvia's smile looked forced, because you interpret her feelings at all times. And you are privy to all the private actions and thoughts of all of these people. How wonderful. We have oru own expert right on this page.
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