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What are princess astrid's children's titles
HI&RH or HRH?
Their fathers title was HIRH Archduke Lorenz of Austria Este. Their mother is HRH Princess Astrid of Belgium. Their grandfather also created them HRH Prince/Princess of Belgium as well as creating their father HRH Prince of Belgium.
Thus they are HRH of Belgoim and HIRH of Austria Este.
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Unlike most European Royal Houses, the line of the succession to the Swedish Throne is very limited. Originally determined by the articles of the 1810 Constitution (which included all agnatic Bernadotte descendants), the 1980 changes limited the succession only to the descendants of the current king, Carl XVI Gustaf, excluding all other Bernadotte branches. Thus, there are currently, there are only four people in it - Crown Princess Victoria, Princess Estelle, Prince Carl-Philip and Princess Madeline.

Even if the Crown Princess goes on to have 2-3 more children, Prince Carl Philip will still be very high in the succession line; as such, it is extremely likely that his children will be Royal Highnesses. They will also most probably be given titles, though not Dukedoms - Earldoms are much more likely.

Princess Madeline's husband is likely to have titles jure uxoris (though his wife), thus becoming Duke of Halsingland and Gastrikland, just as Prince Daniel is Duke of Vastergotland. Their children will likely be nobles but not royals; in other words, they won't be Royal Highnesses but will probably have courtesy titles of counts and countesses.
Earldoms don't exist in Sweden. The King of Sweden can't bestow any noble titles since many years. The only titles he is allowed to give is prince/princess and duke/duchess to members of the royal family.
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Thus, there are currently, there are only four people in it - Crown Princess Victoria, Princess Estelle, Prince Carl-Philip and Princess Madeline.

Even if the Crown Princess goes on to have 2-3 more children, Prince Carl Philip will still be very high in the succession line; as such, it is extremely likely that his children will be Royal Highnesses. They will also most probably be given titles, though not Dukedoms - Earldoms are much more likely.

Princess Madeline's husband is likely to have titles jure uxoris (though his wife), thus becoming Duke of Halsingland and Gastrikland, just as Prince Daniel is Duke of Vastergotland. Their children will likely be nobles but not royals; in other words, they won't be Royal Highnesses but will probably have courtesy titles of counts and countesses.
I would guess that the same rules will apply to both the children of Carl Philip and Madeleine, whether it's getting the title HRH and/or a Dutchy or not, if Madeleine keeps her royal title after marriage. She had planned to keep her title if she had married Jonas Bergström, there are no reason why she should have changed her mind now.
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there were a article in aftonbladet i think were the king said there is a reason and a tradition why Estelle got the dukedom östergotland, but he did not want to say why but there is a explanation if you look to the traditions.

why do you think she got that dukedom?
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there were a article in aftonbladet i think were the king said there is a reason and a tradition why Estelle got the dukedom östergotland, but he did not want to say why but there is a explanation if you look to the traditions.

why do you think she got that dukedom?
Well, the last duke of Ostergotland was Prince Carl Bernadotte, whose parents were Prince Carl and Princess Ingeborg- Duke and Duchess of Vastergotland (Victoria's dukedom). Other than that I can't think why.
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King Gustav V had the title of Duke of Varmland.
Upon his accession to the throne of Sweden, could one of his younger sons, Prince Vilhelm or Prince Erik, have been made the Duke of Varmland?
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It would have been highly unlikely, considering both Princes were already Dukes - Södermanland and Västmanland. It is not like the British system where the Dukedoms are passed down by the father/mother - once the individual has died or taken the throne, their Dukedom becomes vacant and able for regrant.
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It would have been highly unlikely, considering both Princes were already Dukes - Södermanland and Västmanland. It is not like the British system where the Dukedoms are passed down by the father/mother - once the individual has died or taken the throne, their Dukedom becomes vacant and able for regrant.
JessRulz, Thank you for the explanation.
It is good to learn that in Sweden the Dukedoms are not passed down.
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JessRulz, Thank you for the explanation.
It is good to learn that in Sweden the Dukedoms are not passed down.
The Swedish Dukedoms like the Spanish ones granted to both of the King's daughters and sister by H.M.King Juan Carlos are not Hereditary Dukedoms and are for life only.(The exception being the dukedom of Hernani held by HRH The Infanta Margarita which is hereditary,Soria is not) The British Dukedom of York is also an not a Hereditary Dukedom in the UK.
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The Swedish Dukedoms like the Spanish ones granted to both of the King's daughters and sister by H.M.King Juan Carlos are not Hereditary Dukedoms and are for life only.(The exception being the dukedom of Hernani held by HRH The Infanta Margarita which is hereditary,Soria is not) The British Dukedom of York is also an not a Hereditary Dukedom in the UK.
Incorrect on the Duke of York title.

It is hereditary with the current creation having the same remainder as Edinburgh, Wessex and Cambridge - 'heirs male of his body lawfully begotten'. This is the link to and a copy of the official announcement from 1986: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...0612/page/9975


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House of Lords, London SW1A OPW
23rd July 1986.
Letters Patent have passed the Great Seal of the Realm,
dated 23rd July 1986, granting unto Her Majesty's Son, His
Royal Highness Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward,
C.V.O., and the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten
the dignities of Baron Killyleagh, Earl of Inverness and
Duke of York.
(1SI) /. L. Waine

If Andrew remarries and has a son that son will inherit York or if the current proposal - a private member's bill (again) that will allow for daughters to inherit their father's titles does get up then Beatrice will inherit York.

It just so happens that since the middle ages every Duke of York has either died with no children, daughters only or has inherited the throne but it is most definitely inheritable.
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The Swedish Dukedoms like the Spanish ones granted to both of the King's daughters and sister by H.M.King Juan Carlos are not Hereditary Dukedoms and are for life only.(The exception being the dukedom of Hernani held by HRH The Infanta Margarita which is hereditary,Soria is not) The British Dukedom of York is also an not a Hereditary Dukedom in the UK.

The British Dukedom of York is a hereditary dukedom, there just is no heir as only male-line descendants can inherit and the Duke of York has only daughters.
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The first creation of the Dukedom of Gotland was in 1885 for Prince Oscar.
Prince Oscar renounced the tile Duke of Gotland with his succession rights upon marrying his sister-in-law's lady-in-waiting in 1888.
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When Victoria will be queen will then Daniel still be "only" Prince of Sweden or will he be "upgraded" to HRH "Gemålen" - Prince Consort?
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When Victoria will be queen will then Daniel still be "only" Prince of Sweden or will he be "upgraded" to HRH "Gemålen" - Prince Consort?

It's an open question and probably up to the future Queen Victoria I of Sweden to decide. He won't get a new title automatically. His titles are H.R.H Prince Daniel Duke of Västergötland, Prince of Sweden. That's his titles for life or as long as V and D are married. It's possible but not certain that Victoria may add the title Prince Consort (Prinsgemålen).

If they chose to continue in the current style they will be known as The Queen and Prince Daniel or The Queen and The Duke of Västergötland. Similar to The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh in UK.
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King Gustav V had the title of Duke of Varmland.
Upon his accession to the throne of Sweden, could one of his younger sons, Prince Vilhelm or Prince Erik, have been made the Duke of Varmland?

No, they could not be made duke of Värmland, as king Gustav V continued to be duke of Värmland, even if he didn't use that title after his accession. A Swedish royal ducal title becomes vacant only after the death of the bearer, that has also been true for the titles of those Swedish princes who lost all their titles upon marriage.
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What happens to Victoria's titles when she becomes queen? Will she still have them? Or will they get passed down?
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If Andrew remarries and has a son that son will inherit York or if the current proposal - a private member's bill (again) that will allow for daughters to inherit their father's titles does get up then Beatrice will inherit York.

I was under the impression that, under the proposed bill, a peerage becomes inheritable in the female line only if the family agrees thereto, but I'm not really sure.

If all dukedoms can be passed on to female heirs after the bill is passed, I see a problem in the future as there will soon be a shortage of vacant dukedoms available for members of the current Royal Family.
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I was under the impression that, under the proposed bill, a peerage becomes inheritable in the female line only if the family agrees thereto, but I'm not really sure.

If all dukedoms can be passed on to female heirs after the bill is passed, I see a problem in the future as there will soon be a shortage of vacant dukedoms available for members of the current Royal Family.

The Swedish dukedoms have never been inheritable so there's no risk in them running out.


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