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Old 08-14-2014, 10:50 PM
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What made them "Royal" was a made up farce. They weren't better, nicer or smarter. They were the decendants of a man with a big sword. They created a mystique. Today, you couldn't sell that, as people are educated and can read and are not afraid of the guy with the big sword.

To a great extent this is true, so that the argument just doesn't hold that royalty has to be different or elevated from the common folk.

In other words, I think the modernization of monarchies continues to build on the ceremonial - but also cultural, linguistic and economic - role of the royal houses. This very well may require down sizing the royal houses (as in Spain or Norway) and making the lifestyles of the royals more modest.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:00 PM
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To a great extent this is true, so that the argument just doesn't hold that royalty has to be different or elevated from the common folk.

In other words, I think the modernization of monarchies continues to build on the ceremonial - but also cultural, linguistic and economic - role of the royal houses. This very well may require down sizing the royal houses (as in Spain or Norway) and making the lifestyles of the royals more modest.
You are quite correct. It is exactly what has to happen. Very astute.
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:47 PM
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What made them "Royal" was a made up farce. They weren't better, nicer or smarter. They were the decendants of a man with a big sword. They created a mystique. Today, you couldn't sell that, as people are educated and can read and are not afraid of the guy with the big sword.
But exactly for that reason, and for nothing else, the Bernadottes -themselves from not royal origin- created one of the strictest marriage policies, to become royal, to stay royal and to be seen as royal amongst the royals. Note that in many other monarchies, like France, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, etc. there is no any formal requirement that a partner should be "fitting" someone's rank. Of course they did their best to meet the unwritten requirements. In Sweden the Bernadottes themselves wrote one of the strictest policies. That was not for nothing. They knew very well they had to marry "up" to obtain a true royal status.

Prince Oscar (1859-1953), Prince Lennart (1909-2004), Prince Sigvard (1907-2002), Prince Carl (1911-2003) and Prince Carl Johan (1916) all lost their place in the line of succession, their title Prince of Sweden and their style HRH because they did not comply to the requirements. (Princesses were not in line of succession until 1979).

It was King Carl XVI Gustaf himself who threw these requirements out of the window by marrying Ms Silvia Sommerlath. Interesting enough, by various Swedish media and royaltywatchers, is said that King Carl XVI Gustaf was against the engagement of his eldest daughter with Mr Daniel Westling. Apparently he thought that Mr Westlings origins from littletown Öckelbö, his lack of academic skills and the kind of profession (fitness and bodybuilding) were "not befitting" a spouse to the future Queen of Sweden.

Apparently Mr Westling worked himself "up" from a fitness trainer to an owner of three gyms. He also took speech- and mediatraining. According to some Swedish newspapers of the time, for an example the very serious Dagens Industri, Mr Westling failed with his gyms. In 2007, before the crisis and with the economic boom at absolute peak, and with many clients willing to train in the clubs of "Princess Victoria's lover", he made a (small) loss of 13.690 Kronen. All this did not convince the King too much. However, the King himself threw all requirements out of the window for his Olympic hostess and had no any stance against the choice of his daughter. So also the King wanted "something better" (a gentlemen of standing, maybe also a nobleman) but finally gave in, with a sour face and grumblin' teeth.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:11 PM
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In this thread we discuss about the popularity of the royal family. I don't know what the king's and Daniel's relationship has to do with that. We have to remember that the survey in Aftonbladet was done among the people who are interested in politics. We may have to wait for another research done by SOM-institute to get a result of a poll made among wider scale of people.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:20 PM
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What made them "Royal" was a made up farce. They weren't better, nicer or smarter. They were the decendants of a man with a big sword. They created a mystique. Today, you couldn't sell that, as people are educated and can read and are not afraid of the guy with the big sword.

For most royal and imperial European Houses, this is true. But the House of Bernadotte was picked out of obscurity, King Carl XIV Johan was NOT royal from the start, he climbed his way up from the Working Classes of France until he became a top General in the Grande Armée of the First French Empire and was created a Maréchal d'Empire by Empereur Napoléon I, due to his merits and achievements he was recognised by the Swedish Government as a good pretender to the Thorne and the heirless King. As a matter of fact, the House of Bernadotte are probably the only reigning House in Europe to be where they are through the merits of their ancestors, not the size of their army.



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Old 09-28-2014, 06:58 AM
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Aftonbladet asked the question "should we keep the Swedish royal house?" 311 of the 349 new members of parliament responded. 32 percent of the respondents want to scrap the monarchy.

Four out of ten young members of the new parliament would scrap the royal family.
They are more negative about the monarchy than the older politicians.
- Young people challenge the norms more easily, says 24-year-old parliamentarian Ida Drougge (Moderate Party).
Among the new MPs who are 40 or older, 29 per cent want to abolish the royal family. In the group under 40 years, it is more, 39 per cent.
- It's an outdated way to govern a country. That should be the choice that controls who becomes head of state, not intercourse, says Left Party's Nooshi Dadgostar, 29.
The difference is consistent across all parties except the Christian Democrats and Sweden Democrats: young MPs are in those more for the monarchy than their older colleagues.
- We are young people today have grown up in a society where respect for the monarchy is not as great as before, says Kristina Yngwe (Centre Party).

Political scientist Olof Ruin sees no risk that the royal family fall soon, despite the outcome of Aftonbladet's poll:
- We know that 25-30 percent of Swedes do not like the current form of government. I do not think the monarchy is in danger.
But 39 per cent of young MPs want to put it down?
- There is a general willingness to go their own way with young people. We should not make too much of this conclusion, Ruin says.
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Old 10-22-2014, 04:09 AM
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Looks like the government wants to make sweden a republic
Motion 2014/15:61 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se

Can't say that I agree, coming from a republic it's rather boring compared to the 'entertainment' in a kingdom, but certain members of the Royal family have left a lot to be desired from them....so i suppose it may be a contributing factor.......but in the end if this motion is successful , it's the people who must decide
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Old 10-22-2014, 04:23 AM
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Looks like the government wants to make sweden a republic
Motion 2014/15:61 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se

Can't say that I agree, coming from a republic it's rather boring compared to the 'entertainment' in a kingdom, but certain members of the Royal family have left a lot to be desired from them....so i suppose it may be a contributing factor.......but in the end if this motion is successful , it's the people who must decide
This has nothing to do with the government, it is a motion done to the parliament by the Left Party on 21st October, first signed by the party leader Jonas Sjöstedt. The Left Party is not at the government. At the Swedish Parliament, a motion can be brought by one or more members. A party motion is signed by the party leader or group leader.
Every fall when the Parliament starts it's work, a time is given when parties and the members of the parliament can make motions.

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Old 10-22-2014, 04:27 AM
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Looks like the government wants to make sweden a republic
Motion 2014/15:61 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se

It's a parliamentary motion from the "former" Communist party Vänsterpartiet (The Leftist party) and has no governmental backing at all. They put this motion forward once a year so it's nothing new and always gets turned down.


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Is there a strong Republican movement in Sweden ?
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Old 10-22-2014, 05:52 AM
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Oops hadn't notice that's only a parliamentary notion....sorry about that....but can this be serious?
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:16 AM
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Oops hadn't notice that's only a parliamentary notion....sorry about that....but can this be serious?
Like JR76 said, the Left Party has made these motions every year, here are the latest:
The Left Party's motion 27th October 2010, denial
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Dokument-...rkin_GY02K422/
The Left Party's motion 5th October 2011, denial
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Dokument-...rkin_GZ02K314/
The Left Party's motion 20th September 2012, denial
Motion 2012/13:K207 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se
The Left Party's motion 18th September 2013, denial
Motion 2013/14:K205 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se
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Like JR76 said, the Left Party has made these motions every year, here are the latest:
The Left Party's motion 27th October 2010, denial
Motion 2010/11:K422 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se
The Left Party's motion 5th October 2011, denial
Motion 2011/12:K314 Avskaffande av monarkin - riksdagen.se
The Left Party's motion 20th September 2012, denial
Motion 2012/13:K207 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se
The Left Party's motion 18th September 2013, denial
Motion 2013/14:K205 Avskaffa monarkin - riksdagen.se
Ah thanks ladyFinn :)
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Is there a strong Republican movement in Sweden ?
No, there is not a strong republican movement in Sweden. The only European Monarchy which has been threatened in recent years is the Spanish, because of King Juan Carlos's behavior.
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A majority of the Members of Parliament are proclaimed republicans but a majority of the population isn't so nothing will happen.
Even if other members of the royal family get involved in controversy Crown princess Viktoria is so immensely popular that she herself makes up for whatever her relatives do. At least up until now.


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