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Old 09-20-2013, 03:00 PM
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Wow Daniel got the most!?
Tonight, congratulations to Daniel have over 72000 supporting "I like".

While the Te Deum on Sundays has 4335, the launch of the commeration festvities by Pr Cristina has 2200, the Jubileum concert has over 5000, and the festivities at the Royal Palace on Sunday have 8868....

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Old 09-20-2013, 03:01 PM
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Loyalist I don't know for certain, but I've heard rumors of complete disgust and that they(the aristocracy) don't take the Swedish monarchy seriously anymore..

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Old 09-21-2013, 04:05 PM
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I have already heard that as well. It is however difficult to analyze that info. It is to be suspected that it comes mainly from anti-royalists. How to define "aristocracy"?
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Old 12-21-2013, 01:26 AM
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More and more people want the king to leave the throne

Dagens Nyheter (DN) and Ipsos made an opinion poll.
Question 1: There is now a debate of the roll of the monarchy in Sweden. What do you think, should the monarchy be retained or abolished?
Question 2: Do you think it's time for the king to hand over the throne to Victoria so that she becomes queen or should the king remain on the throne?

Swedish people's verdict: Time to hand over the throne, the king. For the first time there are more who want Crown Princess Victoria take over now - than that the king shall remain. Meanwhile, opposition to the monarchy increases, according to a new survey.
The king traveled around Sweden to celebrate his 40 years on the throne. But it has not strengthened his position. According to the poll of those surveyed, 48 % want the king to hand over the throne, while 39 % want him to remain. It is the first time that the percentage who want the king step off is greater than the group who want him to stay. In May 2011 it was 41 % who wanted the king to hand over to Victoria, while 44 % wanted him to continue as head of state.
And the change has been rapid. As late as February 2010, 64 % of respondents said that the king should remain.
- That more people want Victoria to take over the throne may be an expression of dissatisfaction how the king does his work. But it may also be that as the king gets older and Victoria grows into her role the change of the regent becomes more natural and obvious, says Johanna Laurin Gulled, public opinion analyst at Ipsos.

The support for the monarchy has also reduced. Now 64 % want to keep the monarchy, compared to 80 % when Ipsos started their measurements in January 2005. The biggest change since the last survey in May 2011 is that the opposition to the monarchy increases, now 27 % want to abolish the monarchy, increased by 6 %. When the last survey was conducted in May 2011, the king was under fire. It had been published details of alleged infidelity and his friends' contacts with criminals.
- Now there is no similar event that could have influenced the support for the monarchy, says Johanna Laurin Gulled.
Young people are significantly more negative about the monarchy than the older ones.
- There is a clear age difference. If there really is a generational issue, that they retain their opinion later on, it will be seen in the support for the monarchy, but we can only speculate about today, says Laurin Gulled.
Allt fler vill att kungen ska lämna tronen - DN.SE

Ewa Stenberg writes at her column in DN (you have to be registrated to read the whole column)
The Swedish people have not turned a page in it's support for King Carl Gustaf. More and more people want to abolish the monarchy and the Crown Princess has now a greater support for the throne than the king. Such a shift could strengthen support for the monarchy in Sweden.
Ewa Stenberg Ett skifte kan öka stödet för monarkin - DN.SE

Expressen about the poll: The majority wants the king to resign
Majoritet vill att kungen avgår Nyheter Expressen

Aftonbladet about the poll: The verdict: Leave the throne, king. The Swedish people want to see a queen on the throne.
Domen Lämna tronen, kungen Nyheter Aftonbladet

This is very interesting. The results show that the king's nice celebrations don't have had an effect to his popularity. Or if they have, the figures must have been really low in the summer...
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:02 AM
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Svenska Dagbladet about the poll: More people want Victoria to take over
Fler vill att Victoria tar över Inrikes SvD
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:44 AM
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Kings in trouble: Now the Swedes and Spaniards of them
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:52 PM
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Expressen has asked Demoskop to make a poll
The question was:
King Carl Gustaf turns 68 on April 30. Do you think he should retire, renounce the throne and transfer it to Victoria?
* Yes 48 %
* No 47 %
* No answer 5 %
Number of respondents: 1,011 people over 18 years, weighted by gender, age and party.

In 2011 only 38 % wanted the king to retire and 60 % wanted him to continue as the king.

Anders Lindholm, CEO of Demoskop:
- He has gotten older and at some point you should quit your work. It's not unnatural that people think so. Naturally the numbers increase, the older king gets. This is also a reflection of how incredibly popular Crown Princess Victoria is as a royal person.
Sören Holmberg, professor and political scientist:
- It has been three years since the last poll. It may simply be that he has gotten older, people think it's natural that he would retire. Get the chance to enjoy and pass on to Victoria. I have difficulties to see that the king would abdicate. That tradition is not within the Bernadotte family.
Lennart Nilsson, Associate Professor of Public Administration at the University of Gothenburg:
- "The reluctant monarch" -book definitely lowered the confidence for the king. The King turned the page, but the Swedes didn't. The Crown Princess has strong support and without her probably the figures for the royal family would have been completely different.
There has been two abdications in Europe.
Albert Nieboer, a royal photographer, who follows royals worldwide:
- Since Willem-Alexander became king, it is no longer as conservative. There is a younger generation and people love this change of a regent. People's love to former Queen Beatrix has not decreased, on the contrary. Since Philippe became king, he has a different confidence. Earlier, he went in his father's shadow. Now he stands on his own feet and also he has got new love of the people since he became regent.
Annika Sönnerberg from the court press department says to Expressen:
- We have no comments on the survey.

Johan T Lindwall says on the video that this poll comes as a cold shower for the king just when he is becoming a grandfather again. His popularity is lowest ever. Lindwall also thinks that the people don't like the way the king acts with people, he is sometimes quite arrogant. And Victoria is becoming more and more popular with the Swedes who see that she would do a wonderful job. One problem is that the king doesn't take the results of these kind of polls seriously, like Victoria and Daniel would do if they would get these kind of figures. After the abdications in Europe there came debate in Sweden if the king should abdicate. The king has no plan to abdicate, he has born to be king and will be king as long as he lives. Maybe the king should abdicate when he is 75, there is seven years to that. Lindwall has spoken with people from the Netherlands and Belgium. Willem-Alexander and Beatrix are both now more popular than ever. Lindwall says that Victoria can't become more popular since her popularity is sky high but the king could increase his popularity if he would say "This day in year XX I will leave the throne to my daughter" and the people's confidence in the king and in monarchy would increase.
Svenska folket Ta över i år Victoria Nyheter Expressen

Fler vill se Victoria ta över Inrikes TT Senaste nytt Aftonbladet
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:33 AM
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Johan T Lindwall:
"Therefore the king refuses to hand over the throne"

Another poll Demoskop made for Expressen:
Question: When do you think the king should leave the throne to Victoria?
Number of respondents: 1,011 people over 18 years, weighted by gender, age and party.
* Within 5 years 50%
* When the king dies 27%
* Within 10 years 12%
* No answer 7%
* Within 15 years 3%
* Within 20 years 2%

The confidence for the king is collapsing and the Swedish people want Victoria take the throne. Forget that he abdicates. The King does not seem to think it's something fun anymore to be king. Neither the Swedish people seem to think that he has especially fun or doing a good job.
Expressen with Demoskop view additional new figures on the declining support for the king with the question "When do you think the king should leave the throne to Victoria?".
A full 50 percent responded within five years. Three years ago, only 43 percent who thought the same thing.
What does this say? Why the confidence for the king decreases?
I would say that it mainly depends on three things:
1. Victoria's immense popularity.
Crown Princess does a fantastic PR-work for the royal family and not even a crack in the foot and crutches prevents her from, for example, do official work in Germany. Anywhere with a smile that charmed everyone. Obviously, those who are for a monarchy like to see her as soon as possible on the throne as the queen.
2. Abdications in Holland and Belgium.
In 2013 two royal houses in Europe handed over to the younger generation. Many people think that it could also happen in Sweden.
3. The king's arrogance.
The king seems not to have learned from history and neither he seems to think it is especially fun anymore at work. He seems to suffer on his trips, everything seems to be tiresome. When the news of Madeleine expecting a child came, he met the media with banter and nonchalance. Completely unacceptable. Later, he claimed that it was "a joke". I am convinced that it was not. He was asked in SVT's annual program, "does he regret anything?" he answered quickly: "Not a thing!".
Maybe a little more humility and joy? The king will never abdicate. He is fully committed to it is a mission for life. Pity.
If the king would be little more open in his mind, he would realize one thing: Swedish royal family has a great asset. It's Crown Princess Victoria.
Därför vägrar kungen att lämna över tronen Johan T Lindwall
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:14 PM
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Swedish royal expert Roger Lundgren has commented the polls and as usual, he tries to be so polite and not say anything negative of any royal.

"But it's not so much that the Swedes are losing interest in the king, rather that they're falling more in love with Crown Princess Victoria", says Roger Lundgren, royal expert and editor of Kungliga Magazine.
"Swedes love Victoria. She is Sweden's most popular person and everyone adores her," he told The Local, adding that the birth of Princess Estelle in 2012 did nothing but boost Victoria's popularity in Sweden and the world.
"Plus Victoria is young, and besides, everyone likes something new."
Half of Swedes want Victoria on the throne - The Local

"Victoria is young". No, she isn't young, but she is younger than the king.

I'm very worried about the future of the swedish monarchy. Now it feels that the only ones who have understood the situation are Victoria and Daniel. They are working for the future of the monarchy. They have understood that if the common swedish people don't support the monarchy, the monarchy will be abolished very soon. Five years ago I was certain that I will see queen Victoria of Sweden sometime in my life. Now I'm not sure of that anymore.

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