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Old 12-03-2014, 06:44 AM
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Since you mentioned "baroness" von Blixen-Fenecke, what is the current legal status of the hereditary nobility in Sweden ? I was under the impression that the Swedish nobility ceased to be legally recognized by the State in 2003, but I guess that is not exactly correct. Could you please clarify ?
I haven't got knowledge of that. Maybe some swedish member could answer to that. All I know is that the court uses the titles at the guest lists etc.
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Old 12-03-2014, 07:18 AM
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I was under the impression that the Swedish nobility ceased to be legally recognized by the State in 2003
This is correct. I cannot find an English translation of the law, but this article briefly explains the then-proposition, which became law in July of that year.
Swedish Nobility to Bow Out of Link to Government - Los Angeles Times

The Swedish court and other royal courts continue to use legally abolished titles of nobility and royalty (Prince of Hohenzollern, Prince of Greece, Archduke of Austria, etc).
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Old 12-03-2014, 06:10 PM
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The swedish nobility didn't get abolished in 2003 it just lost the last few privileges that set it apart from the rest of the population. Riddarhuset, the association of the nobility is now an organisation like any other. The noble titles are still recognised and it's still fully legal to use them although in a country where you're basically on a first name basis with everyone that rarely happens.
That said the nobility still owns large chunks of the arable land and forests in Sweden and even though the system of fideicommis was abolished in the sixties there's still several noble families that have a dispensation from parliament and continues to run their estates according to those old rules of inheritance.


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Thank you very much for the clarification.
Abolished does not necessarily mean outlawed, but simply not recognized by the state, as Mbruno put it. Does the Swedish state continue to regulate nobility? Are noble rank and titles used in legal documents?
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Thank you very much for the clarification.
Abolished does not necessarily mean outlawed, but simply not recognized by the state, as Mbruno put it. Does the Swedish state continue to regulate nobility? Are noble rank and titles used in legal documents?

Peoples titles and rank are afaik not used in official documents in Sweden. That goes not only for noble titles but also for titles as Dr, Mr etc...
No the state does not regulate noble titles anymore


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I suggest that the name of this topic be edited for "Swedish Nobility", I think it gets better. Thank you.
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Expressen has an article about the richest families/persons in swedish nobility (noble persons or married with noble). The swedish nobility consists now of over 28 000 persons.

Baron Carl Bennet is a very good friend of Daniel, a member of the steering group of Prince Daniel's Fellowship and his company Carl Bennet AB is a founding partner of GEN-PEP.
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The Tham family is connected with the royal family, Liselott (owners of H&M, sister of Stefan Persson) and Peter are friends of the king and queen, and Carolina Tham von Heidenstam is Madeleine's friend.

Count Gustaf and countess Elisabeth Douglas are friends of the king and queen, and partners of The Crown Princess Couple's Foundation.

Count Hans-Gabriel Trolle-Wachtmeister was married with Alice Trolle-Wachtmeister, the former Mistress of the Robes at the court.
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Count Gustaf and countess Elisabeth Douglas are friends of the king and queen, and partners of The Crown Princess Couple's Foundation.
Gustaf Douglas is also the brother of Rosita Douglas, the former Duchess of Marlborough & Duchess Elisabeth in Bavaria, the mother of Hereditary Princess Sophie of Liechtenstein.

Through Countess Elisabeths paternal descent from the now extinct Brahe family, Premier Counts of Sweden, the family is also proprietors of Rydboholm castle the birthplace and ancestral seat of Gustav I of Sweden.
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Peoples titles and rank are afaik not used in official documents in Sweden. That goes not only for noble titles but also for titles as Dr, Mr etc...
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so who does regulate it? WHo decides who has titles? Isn't there any mechanism for giving them out?
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so who does regulate it? WHo decides who has titles? Isn't there any mechanism for giving them out?
From what I understand, the King of Sweden can no longer confer titles of nobility because the provision in the Instrument of Government of 1809 that allowed him to do so was removed in the new Instrument of Government of 1974. So, no new nobility can be created in Sweden. The House of Nobles, as a private organization (no longer regulated by the Swedish parliament since 2003) mantains, however, a registry of the noble families who are members of the House. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

BTW, the Swedish king can no longer award orders of knighthood to Swedish citizens either, with the exception of members of the Royal House, who, due to a 1995 amendment to the 1974 law that regulates the royal orders, can now receive both the Order of the Seraphim and the Order of the Polar Star, which, obviously, can also be awarded legally to foreign citizens (as they frequently are). According to the Wikipedia, the King can still award though the Order of Charles XIII to Swedish citizens, but that is not a state order regulated by the Swedish government, Could anyone please clarify ?
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From what I understand, the King of Sweden can no longer confer titles of nobility because the provision in the Instrument of Government of 1809 that allowed him to do so was removed in the new Instrument of Government of 1974, So, no new nobility can be created in Sweden. The House of Nobles, as a private organization (no longer regulated by the Swedish parliament since 2003) mantains, however, a registry of the noble families who are members of the House. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

BTW, the Swedish king can no longer award orders of knighthood to Swedish citizens either, with the exception of members of the Royal House, who, due to a 1995 amendment to the 1974 law that regulates the royal orders, can now receive both the Order of the Seraphim and the Order of the Polar Star, which, obviously, can also be awarded legally to foreign citizens (as they frequently are). According to the Wikipedia, the King can still award though the Order of Charles XIII to Swedish citizens, but that is not a state order regulated by the Swedish government, Could anyone please clarify ?
The Order of Charles XIII isnt an official order but a social order connected to the Freemasons. As such its not regulated by the Swedish Governement.
(Google is my source so please point out if Im wrong.)
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