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Old 08-30-2006, 01:27 AM
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At state visits orders are usually given to the guests. Considering that the rules for the Order of the Seraphim were changed in that since 1995 it is only bestowed upon members of the SRF and foreign head of states otherwise the Polar Star is bestowed upon, my question is the following one: Nowadays Princess Lilian wears the light blue Seraphim, but I have a picture of her at the Nobel I think wearing the dark blue Polar Star. That means she got upgraded before 1995. Does anyone know when exactly and why? Or she didn't get the Seraphim earlier, like, instead of the Polar Star?
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:25 PM
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I think Crown Princess Victoria was named after Queen Victoria of Sweden (née of Baden), wife of King Gustav V, and the one who created the Royal Family's beloved summer haven Solliden on the island of Öland.
I always believed that Princess Victoria was named after her great-great-great grandmother, Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom. I've always assumed that because that's what the Wikipedia page on Princess Victoria mentions (I know, I know, Wikipedia is hardly the greatest source of the most factual information, but it's the only place I've found mention of the origins of her name). It would seem more correct to me for her to be named after Queen Victoria of Sweden, but can anybody validate either possible origin?

This is my first post, by the way, although I've been lurking on these forums for a few months now, so I apologize beforehand if I've done anything incorrectly. :)
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:51 PM
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Actually, since both Victoria of Baden and Victoria of the United Kingdom are her ancestors, she could very well have been named after both. Victoria of Baden should have left more impact on the royal family of Sweden though, since she was a member of it. Actually, when Victoria was born, there were still people around, like Prince Bertil and his sister Queen Ingrid of Denmark, who remembered Queen Victoria, who died in 1930. Queen Victoria was, of course, Bertil's and Ingrid's grandmother.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:37 AM
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Of course, but I've always taken for granted that she was named after Queen Victoria of Sweden, and that's what I've read. But of course we don't know for sure, unless anyone has a confirmation via a comment from a member of the Royal Family... Victoria of Baden has really left a legacy forever in Sweden, via Solliden, the Royal Family's summer residence which they love, and Princess Madeleine even wrote a paper on Victoria and Solliden at university.
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:35 PM
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That's cute, writing about her great great grandmother at university. Yes, Solliden is Queen Victoria's most obvious legacy to Sweden, except of course the fact, that she's an ancestor to our royal family of today. She was married to King Gustav V, but she died almost twenty years before her husband. So basically, Sweden didn't have a queen for twenty years between 1930 and 1950.
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:22 PM
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with sweden having a new goverment were do they stand in the issue of monarchy
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Old 09-20-2006, 08:25 PM
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Well, traditionally, it should mean, that the monarchy is safer now than with the socialists.
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:51 PM
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Not The First Queen Regnant Of Sweden

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Since Victoria will be the first Queen of Sweden (not through marriage) will the ceremony be any different then that of the King? (probably a stupped question, but I was just wondering :o )
Sorry but your incorrect robby86 Crown Princess Victoria will be actually the second Queen Regnant in Sweden's history. The first Queen Regnant was Queen Christina who succeed her father King Gustav II Aldolf she ruled (1632-1654) She abicated claiming that she was ill and the burden of ruling was too much. But the real reasons were that she did not want averison to marriage and her secert conversion to roman catholicism which was proscribed in Sweden.
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Old 09-23-2006, 05:55 AM
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Sorry but your incorrect robby86 Crown Princess Victoria will be actually the second Queen Regnant in Sweden's history. The first Queen Regnant was Queen Christina who succeed her father King Gustav II Aldolf she ruled (1632-1654) She abicated claiming that she was ill and the burden of ruling was too much. But the real reasons were that she did not want averison to marriage and her secert conversion to roman catholicism which was proscribed in Sweden.
actually we´ve had more ruling Queens.
Margareta 1389-1412, Kristina 1632-44 and Ulrika Eleonora 1719-20.
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Thanks your the info I known that had to more than one Queen Regnant in Sweden's history. So I had bening it up.
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Old 11-30-2006, 07:04 PM
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I just saw that there will be a new magazine, entirely about the swedish royal family, coming out next month. Its the magazine Veckans nu (mostly photos, like hello or something like that) who will now have a royal edition

sounds promising :)

http://www.vassaeggen.se/2006/11/nya...gen_royal.html

http://www.dagensmedia.se/mallar/dag...?version=89947
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The royal House of Sweden has changed five times through their long history as a kingdom and monarchy. Here are the royal houses of Sweden going by chrological order.
1.House of Vasa (1523--1654)
2.House of Palalinate-Zweibrucken (1655--1741)
3. House of Hesse (1742--!771)

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4.House of Holstein-Gottrop (1772--!818)
5.House of Bernadotte (1818--) The current royal House of Sweden
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there is an article today in the dutch newspaper de telegraaf about the request of the king for a greater yearly income. They go on to say how very wealthy he is. I wonder if his request will be granted.
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I read the same article Susan. The King isn't that wealthy IMHO, 22 million euros according to the newspaper, which isn't to extravagant for a monarch. The article said that the King receives 10 mln euiros a year, with which he has to pay everything.

I believe he claimed he needed the money for his children, as they were contributing but not getting financially rewarded for it. Does CP Victoria receive a dotation from the state?

Anyway, maybe the King is getting nervous with 3 expensive weddings coming up
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Old 05-10-2007, 02:13 PM
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I heard that Victoria gets $25000 thousand US Dollars a month. I don't know if that is true.
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I read the same article Susan. The King isn't that wealthy IMHO, 22 million euros according to the newspaper, which isn't to extravagant for a monarch. The article said that the King receives 10 mln euiros a year, with which he has to pay everything.

I believe he claimed he needed the money for his children, as they were contributing but not getting financially rewarded for it. Does CP Victoria receive a dotation from the state?

Anyway, maybe the King is getting nervous with 3 expensive weddings coming up
I am shocked about the 22 million euros. I thought this family had like 200 or 300 million.
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:40 AM
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Well compared to the list of richest people in Sweden yes, the King is rather "poor", but then again his fortune isn't small either and since the monarch's expenses is paid for by the state he doesn't need to be very much richer. Of course he might like to be, and I guess they're working on making long-term investments, but it's not life important really. Also, the King doesn't only own his investment fortune, he also has assets which are not in money, like real estate, collections of art, furniture, silver, porcelain, jewellery etc etc. If those would ever be sold (god forbid, and some are also in trusts that can't be broken) then his fortune would increase.

Crown Princess Victoria does not get her own state apanage. But HRH The Crown Princess Household, which also works for Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl Philip, gets a sum from the King's apanage.
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:58 AM
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So with 10 million everything is covered? That is a rather cheap deal for the Swedes!
But is Victoria the only CP in Europe who does not receive a dotation from the state directly? I know that the Duke of Brabant and the Prince of Orange receive money (and their spouses too), but I am not to sure about the others.
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I would take this recent information with a grain of salt.
The King has reportedly set up very nice trust funds for each of his children. Most of the Bernadotte jewelry is in trust funds, which effectively means that The King still owns them but doesn't have to pay income/property tax.
The Queen has next to no personal fortune - again, saving taxes.
Both the Solliden and Stenhammar castles are owned by the King privately.
I just wonder if all of this, including artwork, paintings, furniture etc. is really part of the 'petty' sum of the supposed 22 million Euro (which isn't chicken feed either).
If I remember correctly, I read an article a few years go which pointed out that the King is a very shrewd investor in stocks... so I am really sceptical if this assessment of his personal fortune is correct.
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I would take this recent information with a grain of salt.
The King has reportedly set up very nice trust funds for each of his children. Most of the Bernadotte jewelry is in trust funds, which effectively means that The King still owns them but doesn't have to pay income/property tax.
The Queen has next to no personal fortune - again, saving taxes.
Both the Solliden and Stenhammar castles are owned by the King privately.
I just wonder if all of this, including artwork, paintings, furniture etc. is really part of the 'petty' sum of the supposed 22 million Euro (which isn't chicken feed either).
If I remember correctly, I read an article a few years go which pointed out that the King is a very shrewd investor in stocks... so I am really sceptical if this assessment of his personal fortune is correct.
The fortune estimates that the media publishes is only what they can find in public tax reports, meaning personal income and assessed private fortune. This means merely the assets that are in the form of stocks and bonds etc, nothing more. So yes Boris, this is far from the whole picture, as I also tried to explain below.

Now the King doesn't personally own Stenhammar, it's in his right of use via a testament that stipulates that a Swedish heir prince must use it and the King took it over after Prince Vilhelm. I would personally say that the King is a very rich man if one looks at the whole picture, which means everything he owns but which we really don't know much about (and no one could really estimate a value). And yes, the royal children all have their private funds set up when they were young so he gave some of his investment money to them (Prince Carl Philip also owns the villa that Princess Lilian resides in, which he inherited after Prince Bertil, plus a home in Värmland, his duchy).

Since everyone seems so fascinated by wealth and money, here are some things which are not counted in the King's wealth estimations circulated in the media:

* Collections of arts, furniture, silver, porcelain, jewellery inherited from previous royals from Sweden and other countries and also personal purchases (which one can't really put an estimate on, and I guess no one but the King and perhaps some close staff knows how much and what he owns)

* Private estates (Solliden Palace, Villa Mirage, holiday cottages in Storlien and Tärnaby)

* Real estate (buildings) plus the holding companies that controlls the business parts

* An exclusive car collection, boats

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So with 10 million everything is covered? That is a rather cheap deal for the Swedes!
Well the monarchies in Sweden, Denmark and Norway all receive comparable apanages from their states, so if you think it's cheap then all of the Scandinavian monarchies are cheap

I think that our King and his family should get more money. Especially the requests for higher appropriations to increase security (comparable to the ones of Parliament and Government) at the Royal Palaces and higher appropriations for maintenance of the palaces (all of ours cultural heritage) should be passed by Government and Parliament. To me those are two important things, but there is also a limit somewhere.
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