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Old 04-06-2015, 11:46 AM
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I'm sorry. I cannot find it. Can you give me the link to it?
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Old 04-06-2015, 04:49 PM
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Does anyone know where a good website for Swedish royal family trees are? Ifs please do tell. I need the ones where it is the complete genealogy, not just Bernadotte.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings...en_family_tree

That might not be as complete as you want (I can't view it fully on my phone), but wikipedia is surprisingly good with the family trees.

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Do some research on this forum first. There are already dozens of posts about the genealogy of the House of Sweden, including Holstein-Gottorp (Vasa).

Is that really necessary? Sweden was just asking for help. You can chose to not help, but there's no need to be rude.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:22 AM
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New, updated or canceled tradition during King Carl XVI Gustafs regency

I would love to hear what traditions he cept, updated or changed or even started.
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The prince will be the last one to receive his own crown. It is the crown made for Prince Fredrik Adolf in 1771.

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Crown of Sweden's Heir Apparent (Karl X Gustav's Crown), 1650

Crown Prince Carl Philip, christening
Crown Princess Victoria, wedding

Prince Karl (XIII)'s Crown, 1771

Prince Carl Philip, wedding

Prince Fredrik Adolf's Crown, 1771

Prince Alexander, christening

Princess Sofia Albertina's Crown, 1771

Princess Victoria, christening
Princess Sofia, wedding

Princess Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotta's Crown, 1778

Princess Madeleine, christening and wedding
Prince Nicolas, christening

Prince Oscar (II)'s Crown, 1844

Princess Estelle, christening

Princess Eugénie's Crown, 1860

Princess Leonore, christening

Prince Wilhelm's Crown, 1902

Prince Daniel, wedding
Prince Oscar, christening


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The Crown of Sweden's Heir Apparent

The Crown of Sweden's Heir Apparent (King Karl X Gustav's Crown of the Heir Apparent) was made in a great hurry when Queen Kristina was due to be crowned in 1650. It was only on 3 October 1650 — 17 days before the coronation — that the queen reminded the council that, according to tradition, the heir to the throne wore a special costume consisting of a cloak, a crown and a cap. Jürgen Dargeman only had just over a week to make a new crown for Karl (X) Gustav.
Because time was so short, Dargeman reused the crown that had been created for Queen Kristina the Elder for King Karl IX's coronation. He applied enamel decorations from the old crown and newly-mounted stones to a newly-made plain crown ring with eight triangular points.

Crowns of the princes and princesses

At Gustav III coronation in 1772, crowns were also made for the royal siblings. Thereby, Duke Fredrik Adolf as well as Princess Sofia Albertina both received crowns.

A fourth crown was added at a later date and belonged to Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotta, Duke Karl´s consort.
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Royal Swedish Monogram

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Does anyone know this monogram? It's probably one of the royal swedish family... circa 1907

Thank you!!! :)
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:19 PM
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About the Purveyors to the Court, at court website:
Purveyor to the Court - Sveriges Kungahus

At the website of Hovleverantörer (mostly in Swedish)
King Gustaf VI Adolf had more than 1,100 official purveyors. Every town with self-respect had its own court photographer, jeweller and patissier.
The system was changed in 1973 when King Carl XVI Gustaf became the country’s monarch. The charge for a royal warrant was eliminated and H.M. the King set new, stricter, rules for the title of Purveyor to the Royal Court. This new approach resulted in the rejuvenation of this attractive title.
Purveyor to the Royal Court of Sweden – hovlev.se
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:58 PM
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I apologize if that question has already been asked somewhere else, but I recently saw a copy of a Swedish passport of Princess Leonore where she is named Leonore Lilian Maria Bernadotte O'Neill, without any royal title or style. Is that the norm for the passports of all Swedish royals ?

I would expect for example that Victoria's passport would say something like HRH Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Västergötland (as she is named on the Royal House's website), but does it simply say Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée Bernadotte instead ?

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Old 01-21-2018, 10:20 PM
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I apologize if that question has already been asked somewhere else, but I recently saw a copy of a Swedish passport of Princess Leonore where she is named Leonore Lilian Maria Bernadotte O'Neill, without any royal title or style. Is that the norm for the passports of all Swedish royals ?

I would expect for example that Victoria's passport would say something like HRH Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Västergötland (as she is named on the Royal House's website), but does it simply say Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée Bernadotte instead ?

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I highly suspect that the passport you saw was the one made by the tabloid Expressen as an example of what they imagined Lenore's passport would look like so we can't be sure what royal passports actually look like. According to the article Margaretha Thorgren at the Royal Press Office says that The Royal Family only uses surnames in their passports but nowhere else.
Another article from the time of the birth of Estelle states that the Tax Office, who handles the registration of births and names in Sweden, was in a bit of a conundrum because they're by law obligated to register a child with its mother's surname but as a royal Victoria doesn't have a surname.
I'm sorry I can't answer your question about titles in the passport.
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:35 PM
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I apologize if that question has already been asked somewhere else, but I recently saw a copy of a Swedish passport of Princess Leonore where she is named Leonore Lilian Maria Bernadotte O'Neill, without any royal title or style. Is that the norm for the passports of all Swedish royals ?

I would expect for example that Victoria's passport would say something like HRH Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Västergötland (as she is named on the Royal House's website), but does it simply say Victoria Ingrid Alice Desirée Bernadotte instead ?

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And here is that Expressen's article with the image of Leonore's passport, how Expressen thought it would look like, because Madeleine and Chris had written to the application of a diplomatic passport Bernadotte O'Neill as family name. But according to the swedish Name Law, Bernadotte would then be middle name and O'Neill family name.
Leonore får eget pass – reser hem för dopet _ Nyheter _ Expressen

I haven't seen a photo of any of the passports of the royal family.
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:48 AM
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And here is that Expressen's article with the image of Leonore's passport, how Expressen thought it would look like, because Madeleine and Chris had written to the application of a diplomatic passport Bernadotte O'Neill as family name. But according to the swedish Name Law, Bernadotte would then be middle name and O'Neill family name.
Leonore får eget pass – reser hem för dopet _ Nyheter _ Expressen

I haven't seen a photo of any of the passports of the royal family.
Thanks LadyFinn and JR76! That was indeed the photo I had seen. I didn't realize it was how Expressen imagined her passport would look like rather than the actual passport.

Is there any photo of the royals' national ID documents perhaps ? Or any other official document like a marriage certificate or birth certificate where we can see how they are officially named in Sweden ?
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:21 AM
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This is an image of Prince Nicolas' birth certificate, albeit prior to registration of his given name, Nicolas Paul Gustaf.
https://x.cdn-expressen.se/images/a7.../annan/680.jpg
Prinsessan Madeleine och Chris O'Neills prins har fått personnummer | Kungligt | Expressen

"Name: Bernadotte,
[…]
Legal guardians:
[…]
Name: O'Neill, Christopher Paul
[…]
Name: *, Madeleine Thérése Amelie Josephine"



Adding to what was posted by JR76 and LadyFinn, there have been clear inconsistencies in the registrations of the Royal House. An asterisk was entered in the column which the surname should occupy in Princess Estelle's registry, but, afterwards, her cousin Prince Nicolas was registered as "Bernadotte".

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It's A Boy: HRH Prince Nicolas Paul Gustaf of Sweden: June 15, 2015
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:22 AM
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This is an image of Prince Nicolas' birth certificate, albeit prior to registration of his given name, Nicolas Paul Gustaf.
https://x.cdn-expressen.se/images/a7.../annan/680.jpg
Prinsessan Madeleine och Chris O'Neills prins har fått personnummer | Kungligt | Expressen

"Name: Bernadotte,
[…]
Legal guardians:
[…]
Name: O'Neill, Christopher Paul
[…]
Name: *, Madeleine Thérése Amelie Josephine"



Adding to what was posted by JR76 and LadyFinn, there have been clear inconsistencies in the registrations of the Royal House. An asterisk was entered in the column which the surname should occupy in Princess Estelle's registry, but, afterwards, her cousin Prince Nicolas was registered as "Bernadotte".

Swedish Royal Names & Pronunciation
It's A Boy: HRH Prince Nicolas Paul Gustaf of Sweden: June 15, 2015

From that birth certificate, I would conclude that:

1) Prince Nicolas' surname is Bernadotte, rather than Bernadotte O'Neill ;

2) Princess Madeleine doesn't use a surname as none was entered in the birth certificate (an asterisk was used instead where the surname should be);

3) Unlike their counterparts in the Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, etc., Swedish royals are not referred to by titles (like prince and duke) or styles (like HRH) in Swedish documents (at least Nicolas and Madeleine were not in that particular document).

It is really very confusing. I suppose that the titles of King (or Queen) and "prince or princess of the Royal House" are officially recognized in Sweden as they are explicitly mentioned in the Fundamental Laws of the Realm, namely the Instrument of Government or the Act of Succession. However, the titles and styles that are used by the Royal Court to refer to the royals like HRH, Crown Prince/Princess, Prince/Princess of Sweden, or Duke/Duchess of [xxx] seem to be for internal use of the Royal Court only, although the press and other media also refer to the royals by those same titles. Again, that is very different from the practice in other monarchies.
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Old 11-03-2018, 07:59 AM
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Expressen's royal expert Karin Lennmor, and Monica Bonde, the daughter of count Carl Johan Bernadotte, have visited the Royal Cemetery at Karlsborg in Haga. They visited the cemetery on 31st October, Count Carl Johan's birthday.

The royal family's unknown cemetery at Haga
Here, on cape of Karlsborg at Haga Park, is the royal family's unknown cemetery.
In the season premiere of Expressen TV's "Kungafamiljen", the viewers are taken to one of the family's holiest places, which is important for Crown Princess Victoria.
The royal cemetery on cape of Karlsborg at Haga Park.
- It is one of Stockholm's most unknown places. I don't think there are many who know that it exists at all, says Karin Lennmor to Program host Ylva Johansson.
Only the royal family has the key to the gates - and Monica Bonde has a key.
In the cemetery are buried 14 royals, including her father, Count Carl Johan Bernadotte.
- I feel reverence and gratitude and love, of course. Dad meant a lot to me and my brother and our children, says Monica Bonde.
The cemetery was inaugurated in 1922 at the request of Crown Princess Margareta, King Carl Gustaf's grandmother, who had died two years earlier at the age of 38.

At the video Monica says that she visits the cemetery always on her father's birthday and death day, lays flowers to his grave. Lennmor says that your father's wife Gunnila is the last person buried here. Yes, two years ago, says Monica. Lennmor tells to program host Ylva Johansson, that she went in to the cemetery with Monica Bonde. That there is a private cemetery for the royal family is quite exciting. The graves are large, and there was six grave lanterns at every grave, ready for the All Saints' Day. Karin Lennmor says that crown princess Victoria lives very close to the cemetery and she has heard that Victoria walks to the cemetery with her children. It's part of the heritage she wants to take further, to show respect to her ancestors and tell about the family members to her children. She goes to the cemetery quite often.
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As things stand, Princess Madeleine's children probably will not work for the monarchy because of being raised overseas. But following the precedent of the children of Prince Carl and Princess Ingeborg and the son of Prince Wilhelm, would the sons of Prince Carl Philip work for the monarchy?

Simply put, did Princesses Margaretha, Märtha, and Astrid, their brother Prince Carl, and Prince Lennart work for the monarchy up to the time of their marriages?
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:26 AM
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As things stand, Princess Madeleine's children probably will not work for the monarchy because of being raised overseas. But following the precedent of the children of Prince Carl and Princess Ingeborg and the son of Prince Wilhelm, would the sons of Prince Carl Philip work for the monarchy?

Simply put, did Princesses Margaretha, Märtha, and Astrid, their brother Prince Carl, and Prince Lennart work for the monarchy up to the time of their marriages?



A related question is whether Prince Carl Philip's children will ask for the government's consent to marry or will they forefeit their succession rights (and possibly royal titles) and those of their descendants ?
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No disrespect but I don't think using the aforementioned grandchildren of Oscar II and Gustaf V are an apt comparison / precedent. The women married foreign royals (which was typical) and the men married unequally at relatively young ages and lost their positions in the Swedish Royal Family. Furthermore we are talking about events from roughly a century ago and using them as a template for 20 plus years in the future.

The bottom line is that Carl Gustaf followed by Victoria and then Estelle will determine who the working members of the Swedish Royal Family are. Given current sensibilities it is highly doubtful that Alexander and Gabriel will be working members of the Swedish Royal Family, and on a related note, it is likely that steps will be taken to limit who has HRH / royal status.
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:10 PM
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No disrespect but I don't think using the aforementioned grandchildren of Oscar II and Gustaf V are an apt comparison / precedent. The women married foreign royals (which was typical) and the men married unequally at relatively young ages and lost their positions in the Swedish Royal Family.
None taken, but the question stated "up to the time of their marriages".

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Furthermore we are talking about events from roughly a century ago and using them as a template for 20 plus years in the future.
The bottom line is that Carl Gustaf followed by Victoria and then Estelle will determine who the working members of the Swedish Royal Family are. Given current sensibilities it is highly doubtful that Alexander and Gabriel will be working members of the Swedish Royal Family, and on a related note, it is likely that steps will be taken to limit who has HRH / royal status.
Perhaps, but Prince Carl Philip and his wife and children are currently treated less in line with Princess Madeleine and her husband and children, and more in line with Crown Princess Victoria and her husband and children. Current sensibilities are not the only rationale in the royal family's decisions, as shown by King Carl Gustaf's statements on equal primogeniture, for example.


I would still appreciate an answer to whether Princesses Margaretha, Märtha, and Astrid, their brother Prince Carl, and Prince Lennart worked for the monarchy up to the time of their marriages.
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Simply put, did Princesses Margaretha, Märtha, and Astrid, their brother Prince Carl, and Prince Lennart work for the monarchy up to the time of their marriages?
Prince Lennart took part in his grandfather King Gustav V's 70th birthday celebrations in 1928 and accompanied him and the other male members of the Royal House on horse in the birthday parade through Stockholm. He also represented the Swedish Royal House in Rome at the wedding of Crown Prince Umberto and Princess Marie-José of Belgium in 1930.
Besides this and his military education he didn't do any work for the monarchy. He took part in the Ceremonial Opening of Parliament following his confirmation, but he stresses in his autobiography that he did so in the Ladies box together with the royal ladies and the children. Only when he reached his maturity would he have taken part as an adult.
Boiling it down - No, according to his autobiography Prince Lennart only officially represented the monarchy two times.
Regarding his cousins I don't know how involved they were, but I've for instance seen neither pictures nor read anything about them taking part in the Ceremonial Opening of Parliament. Princess Margareta was involved in the WWI charity work of Princess Ingeborg and Crown Princess Margaretha and much later from the sixties onwards took part in the Nobel festivities up until her death in the seventies.
Her sister's Astrid and Märtha were also involved in charity work and atleast Astrid worked for a time as a daycare assistant in a kindergarten.
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Prince Lennart took part in his grandfather King Gustav V's 70th birthday celebrations in 1928 and accompanied him and the other male members of the Royal House on horse in the birthday parade through Stockholm. He also represented the Swedish Royal House in Rome at the wedding of Crown Prince Umberto and Princess Marie-José of Belgium in 1930.
Besides this and his military education he didn't do any work for the monarchy. He took part in the Ceremonial Opening of Parliament following his confirmation, but he stresses in his autobiography that he did so in the Ladies box together with the royal ladies and the children. Only when he reached his maturity would he have taken part as an adult.
Boiling it down - No, according to his autobiography Prince Lennart only officially represented the monarchy two times.
Regarding his cousins I don't know how involved they were, but I've for instance seen neither pictures nor read anything about them taking part in the Ceremonial Opening of Parliament. Princess Margareta was involved in the WWI charity work of Princess Ingeborg and Crown Princess Margaretha and much later from the sixties onwards took part in the Nobel festivities up until her death in the seventies.
Her sister's Astrid and Märtha were also involved in charity work and atleast Astrid worked for a time as a daycare assistant in a kindergarten.
Thanks. You have a superb depth of knowledge regarding Swedish royal history!

Do you know whether the charity work carried out by Ingeborg's daughters was regarded as official or private?
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:07 PM
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Thanks. You have a superb depth of knowledge regarding Swedish royal history!

Do you know whether the charity work carried out by Ingeborg's daughters was regarded as official or private?
Thanks, I'm a mere amateur, but I've read quite a few books about the Bernadottes and as luck would have it I own the two autobiographies by Lennart Bernadotte.
Although not sure I don't think there was a difference made back then between private and official duties in the way we do today. As I wrote in my earlier post Princess Margareta took an active part in her relatives charity work during WWI and there's both pictures and mentions in the media about it so I'd say that would have counted as official duties according to our modern standards. I also highly doubt that Princess Astrid received any pay for her work at the orphanage (sorry, it wasn't a kindergarten) so it would count as charity work.
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