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Old 12-13-2007, 05:48 PM
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I wouldn't blame Letizia, what her family does isn't really her fault; but Henar should think twice before going all public on her niece, I think she should have been more discrete

Iñaki's siblings never changed their line of work after his marriage to Cristina, one of his sisters is even a successful surgeon in USA and they never go into the media, if they are invited to acts on the Basque country is a "family" courtesy or sometimes they are involved in the place where the RF is going to go, like his brother Mikel who works at Deusto University in Vitoria
I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.

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Letizia can be a media darling or the media's scapegoat and like I said, her family isn't helping matters behaving like that, she's bound to be news wherever she goes and her family is a big part of her life and it's quite a pity they are putting themselves ahead of her like that
From what I can see Letizia's family with th exception of one person are not doing anything untoward or exceptional. They are just quietly getting on with their lives.

With all due respect there are other Royals out there with far more questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin, M-M's former boyfriend etc.

It seems to me that there are some people out there who are determined to criticise Letizia, even stooping to using her family as a stick to beat her with.
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.

From what I can see Letizia's family with the exception of one person are not doing anything untoward or exceptional. They are just quietly getting on with their lives.

With all due respect there are other Royals out there with far more questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin, M-M's former boyfriend etc.

It seems to me that there are some people out there who are determined to criticise Letizia, even stooping to using her family as a stick to beat her with.
i agree with you. i've been reading about how other people have been bashing Henar's recent publicity blitzes and they've been using this to spread the 'venom' to the rest of Princess Letizia's family and some have obviously enjoyed doing so. while i personally don't like her ways, i wouldn't bring down the rest of the family just because of her alone either.
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From what I read, Letizia's immediate family is very discreet. The aunt may seek publicity but she is the exception. However, Letizia should not be made responsible for her aunt's action.
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Spain is filled with pathetic people who sell their families and dignity to be on TV or media like Hola

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Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?
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Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?
I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:39 PM
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I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!
This is the most intelligent comment that I have read about the matter "Letizia's aunt."
I'm totally agree with you.
Somtimes people creates absurd controversies.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:13 PM
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I believe that the difference between Lequio and she is big ... when Henar appears in the front page of a magazine with a man in the bed, when she criticizes to her ex-boyfriends in the television, comment on her romances, comment reality shows, and earn thousands of Euros for doing it ... that is what Lequio does...we speak
well, there's a slight difference: when Lecquio does those things, no one blame the King and his family, no one thinks badly about them; Henar's actions are a bit more difficult, since (like I said before) Letizia tends to be consider as the scapegoat when things go wrong, even when things aren't really her fault


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I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.
Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before? ) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...

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Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?
if you see spanish TV, you see that sadly, a lot of people is looking for their 15 minutes of fame in the worst way, there are always reality shows, trash "pink" shows where the lovers/mistresses/relatives/acquaintances of famous people are doing their dirty laundry out there, Belén Esteban for example, she is famous for having a kid with a bullfighter, she told all about their relationship (that ended like eons ago) and still is on tv shows, people (like Borja and Blanca Thyssen) who make a living out of making photoshoots at Hola/Lecturas/Interviu, etc

it's a sad situation, but now trash is ON, at least in Spain media

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I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!
like I said before, Letizia is not to blame on this, is her aunt who's taking a lot of advantage of being related to her; no one knew her before the wedding and now she's like the best designer in the whole Spain a little lump of coat that turned into a diamond

BTW, check out her website, she has a lot of bad taste in there, for example the H logo bags )
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:21 PM
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questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin,
This man is not Mary's blood relation, he is/was married to Mary's cousin. Big difference.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:42 AM
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Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before? ) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...
So her Dad bought a Porsche, that's hardly surprising. In fact it's actually very normal for a middle-aged man to go out and buy a sports car. It's usually referred to as a mid-life crisis!

Moreover, I didn't realise that moving house was something to be marvelled at?!

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This man is not Mary's blood relation, he is/was married to Mary's cousin. Big difference.
With all due respect there is little difference as she was seen socialising with him even after the accusations emerged. He is still a family memeber and one who has apparently been endorsed by the Princess.

However this is going OT, so I'm not going to comment on it anymore.
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:28 AM
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Sincerely the obsession of some persons amazes me. The above mentioned thing, which punishes that they do not worry any more for the excesses and abuses of those that enjoying the privileges of being members of the Royal Family do business .... and there has to attack to the family of the Princess, that in the end they neither have public responsibility they do not even represent to the State.

What does import Jesus Ortiz's car? He is a man, of mature age, who has a salary in a company, and that do not have persons to his responsibility .... a caprice can be allowed perfectly .... in addition, I do not believe that he has such an impressive car, because of already it would have appeared in the press.

On the shop of Henar Ortiz I see it almost every week, and it continues without looking alike not spectacularly at all, is a small shop of decoration in a central but secondary street, for which certainly many people do not pass.

Then the end of the ridiculous one comes with Paloma Rocasolano, the press has spoken that was going to change of house, but still nobody has given any image of her new house ... and in any case if she had moved she would have done it to leave her former house to her parents who have moved to live through Madrid for their advanced age .... terrible truth?... Also it must be terrible, that is employed at a charitable organization. Only it has been necessary to you to criticize Thelma for being employed at the Red Cross.

It seems to me to be very hypocritical that the press and people attack to this family, that like it is normal has suffered advantages and disadvantages of which a member of their family passes to be the woman most chased and followed of this country. Their life can have changed to the positive thing in small things, but none of them has given a radical change to their lives. It seems that to criticize the defenseless ones or to the humble ones always is easier.

They are going to work every day, continue with their lives, with the same friendship, works in the elementary thing have not changed (none has passed to be executive or counselor of anything nor to receiving thousands of Euros), they do not go to parties, do not sell their life in the press ... to look for any thing to be able to attack seems to me to be low enough.

That would happen if indeed they were making something serious?

For my, who must give example is the Royal Family, and not the family of ... and instead of criticizing the minimal changes of this family, there would be necessary to debate on the business of the royal sons-in-law, on the house millionaire of the Dukes of Palm, on Marichalar's flat and the permissions of work that give him for being the one who is, on the Infanta Elena and her business in the day-care center, on the Infanta Cristina and her work in the Caixa. I believe that to debate on these works and the compatibility or no compatibility in spite of being members of the Royal Family, it is the debate that it is necessary to do.

The nephews of the King have lived always very benefited for belonging to the family to which they belong, but they do not form a part of the Royal Family, do not come to official acts and do not receive money of the State.

I believe that it is necessary to differ between those who have a public responsability and that not, and between those who suffer minimal changes in their life for the new position and those who suffer radical changes.

There the real debate is, and not the empty debate to damage and to do business.
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I think there is nepotism in every (royal) family that will have lots of money & influence. Taking advantage is almost normal, wherever possible. As long as it is somehow suitable and done quietly I don't have a problem; it only gets embarrassing when family members or relatives or even friends of either group turn out to be attention seekers who only get a forum to speak because of their relation but not because of what they stand for themselves, be it a profession or any other talent.

Henar is only one of many many other sad examples across royalty who think they need to use a golden opportunity and I don't believe that Zarzuela like what they see or read about her because in the end it does reflect on the CP. Ohter monarchies have similar problems but this is simply the result of the media environment these days that encourages people to behave the way Henar or others do and black sheeps are to be found in most families.

A good example for perfect nepotism is Princess Anne's daughter Zarah Phillips who had all the right connections and was priviliged enough to pursue a career in riding that turned out to be highly successful, earning respect for her country instead of embarrassing it.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:52 AM
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Exact Duke, is something inevitable, not only in the Royal Families, in the politics, in the company, in the world of the spectacle ... it works in all the areas.

Because of it for my, it is so important to place the debate in the place that corresponds. It seems to me to be absurd to do of the family Ortiz Rocasolano the great debate, when the debate must be different. That the life of this family has improved in some aspects ... evidently it is true ... that has harmed them in others ... also it is true. But none has passed from everything to anything, they have been small changes. They all continue being employed at the same areas that were working before.

But for my most important, it is that the one who in this case has the responsibility, which in this case is the Princess of Asturias, has never interfered in the matters of her family.

If the Princess was a "advertisement" of the designs of her aunt, if in the official activities she was appearing with her designs, if she was visiting her shop and one was coming out in photographs there, if she was speaking to the press of her aunt ... or if her aunt was using directly the princess as promotion .... it would be the bad thing. But if she does her work, and for being the one who is the press the search and she speaks about her work ... it does not look like to me a problem. I believe that one supports inside of the limits of the alteration. She obtains advertising, and her designs are known, but the people do not buy anything only because it is a design of the aunt of the Princess .... but the designs are not good and do not have a public, it is not going to be successful.

Sincerely, I do not believe that to the Zarzuela is worried much by the aunt Henar, I believe that they have other more serious problems with persons nearer to the Royal Family. Probably while one speaks about the designs of Henar does not speak about Marichalar's salaries, which it was the topic of last week. And this was an interesting debate, professional meteoric career after his marriage and salaries millionaires. What has influenced more his capacity or to be the husband of the Infanta?
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Exact Duke, is something inevitable, not only in the Royal Families, in the politics, in the company, in the world of the spectacle ... it works in all the areas.

Because of it for my, it is so important to place the debate in the place that corresponds. It seems to me to be absurd to do of the family Ortiz Rocasolano the great debate, when the debate must be different. That the life of this family has improved in some aspects ... evidently it is true ... that has harmed them in others ... also it is true. But none has passed from everything to anything, they have been small changes. They all continue being employed at the same areas that were working before.

But for my most important, it is that the one who in this case has the responsibility, which in this case is the Princess of Asturias, has never interfered in the matters of her family.

If the Princess was a "advertisement" of the designs of her aunt, if in the official activities she was appearing with her designs, if she was visiting her shop and one was coming out in photographs there, if she was speaking to the press of her aunt ... or if her aunt was using directly the princess as promotion .... it would be the bad thing. But if she does her work, and for being the one who is the press the search and she speaks about her work ... it does not look like to me a problem. I believe that one supports inside of the limits of the alteration. She obtains advertising, and her designs are known, but the people do not buy anything only because it is a design of the aunt of the Princess .... but the designs are not good and do not have a public, it is not going to be successful.

Sincerely, I do not believe that to the Zarzuela is worried much by the aunt Henar, I believe that they have other more serious problems with persons nearer to the Royal Family. Probably while one speaks about the designs of Henar does not speak about Marichalar's salaries, which it was the topic of last week. And this was an interesting debate, professional meteoric career after his marriage and salaries millionaires. What has influenced more his capacity or to be the husband of the Infanta?
I agree with you lula; in Henar's case she did not directly use Letizia as advertisement but everybody knows that without this relation she would not have appeared in Hola or get further attention on her designs. Therefore it's taking advantage of the opportunities the media offers these days since she does not have a notable talent but uses her relation to get attention, that's what makes it at least questionable (again, one of many examples in royalty).
I agree on Jaime, I doubt he would have been seen in row #1 during Paris fashion shows without his royal relations but it's a huge difference to Henar since he is married to an Infanta and has a completely different background (noble family etc). People tend to pick on the weakest link and in the SRF this seems to be Letizia therefore the spotlight goes on her relatives who did not have a privileged upbringing, the respective social grades, place in society or a powerful lobby backing them.
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There Duke is the mistake, and the hypocritical thing often of the people.

Jaime de Marichalar belongs to a good family, aristocrat, has studied something, but he does not have a universitary education and he was employed at Paris, but he was not a great executive with a great salary. He married the Infanta and passed to be a counselor of numerous companies, big international companies in which he receives salaries millionaires.

The Infanta receives money of the State, Jaime de Marichalar was coming to the official acts, had safety paid for the State, was enjoying the vacations in the official residences, was going in the Fortuna... He was enjoying many privileges, while he was receiving salaries millionaires for sitting down in the board of directors of some companies.

And it that is more scandalous enough, justifies itself more, that the fact that a woman has a small shop in a city of provinces and that someone decides to invert in her designs, and that because she is relative to a famous person receives certain promotion.
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There Duke is the mistake, and the hypocritical thing often of the people.

Jaime de Marichalar belongs to a good family, aristocrat, has studied something, but he does not have a universitary education and he was employed at Paris, but he was not a great executive with a great salary. He married the Infanta and passed to be a counselor of numerous companies, big international companies in which he receives salaries millionaires.

The Infanta receives money of the State, Jaime de Marichalar was coming to the official acts, had safety paid for the State, was enjoying the vacations in the official residences, was going in the Fortuna... He was enjoying many privileges, while he was receiving salaries millionaires for sitting down in the board of directors of some companies.

And it that is more scandalous enough, justifies itself more, that the fact that a woman has a small shop in a city of provinces and that someone decides to invert in her designs, and that because she is relative to a famous person receives certain promotion.
I personally book everything under nepotism, be it Henar or Jaime etc. The difference is that Henar is going public in order to get her share and Jaime is not; in terms of the press jumping on such issues, Henar is a much easier target since she is only a distant relative of the CP and not a member of the SRF (married to the daughter of the King, in Jaime's case). The likeliness of stirring up a hornet's nest for the media is much higher when attacking Jaime etc therefore they concentrate on others who are more vulnerable and don't have the protection of the royal house.
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Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before? ) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...
So are you saying that her dad should not buy a Porsche or a new car and her mom should not change house who is always harassed by the press at her doorstep (BTW, she hasn't changed house and still lives in the same apartment and still harassed by the press at her doorstep) because they're Letizia's family?
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According to a program of television Thelma is pregnancy of 5 months, it is supposed that the news will turn out to be published in the magazine Hola on Wednesday and that there will be more information on the topic.
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According to a program of television Thelma is pregnancy of 5 months, it is supposed that the news will turn out to be published in the magazine Hola on Wednesday and that there will be more information on the topic.
thanks for the info lula! although, in the last pictures of her in the circus, she looked quite slim. i would have thought with 5 months the baby bump shows. besides, she has no official partner at the moment, so i doubt it's true.
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What a wonderful news!
Congratulations to Thelma and the future father!
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thanks for the info lula! although, in the last pictures of her in the circus, she looked quite slim. i would have thought with 5 months the baby bump shows. besides, she has no official partner at the moment, so i doubt it's true.

The father is a Spanish guy who lives with Thelma in the Philippines. The news is confirmed and it is true.
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