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I wouldn't blame Letizia, what her family does isn't really her fault; but Henar should think twice before going all public on her niece, I think she should have been more discrete

Iñaki's siblings never changed their line of work after his marriage to Cristina, one of his sisters is even a successful surgeon in USA and they never go into the media, if they are invited to acts on the Basque country is a "family" courtesy or sometimes they are involved in the place where the RF is going to go, like his brother Mikel who works at Deusto University in Vitoria

This ain't Letizia's problem but her family has to think more about her and her position, because there can be very bad effects of their behavior, Letizia is consider the "weakest link" because she's the newest addition to the family and in the monarchy structure she is the most relevant, so media is bound to "feast" more on her and her "commoner" family (Jaime's family is aristocratic and Iñaki's mother comes from a noble family of Belgium)

Letizia can be a media darling or the media's scapegoat and like I said, her family isn't helping matters behaving like that, she's bound to be news wherever she goes and her family is a big part of her life and it's quite a pity they are putting themselves ahead of her like that
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:57 PM
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I wouldn't blame Letizia, what her family does isn't really her fault; but Henar should think twice before going all public on her niece, I think she should have been more discrete

Iñaki's siblings never changed their line of work after his marriage to Cristina, one of his sisters is even a successful surgeon in USA and they never go into the media, if they are invited to acts on the Basque country is a "family" courtesy or sometimes they are involved in the place where the RF is going to go, like his brother Mikel who works at Deusto University in Vitoria

This ain't Letizia's problem but her family has to think more about her and her position, because there can be very bad effects of their behavior, Letizia is consider the "weakest link" because she's the newest addition to the family and in the monarchy structure she is the most relevant, so media is bound to "feast" more on her and her "commoner" family (Jaime's family is aristocratic and Iñaki's mother comes from a noble family of Belgium)

Letizia can be a media darling or the media's scapegoat and like I said, her family isn't helping matters behaving like that, she's bound to be news wherever she goes and her family is a big part of her life and it's quite a pity they are putting themselves ahead of her like that
There is no comparison. You can tell that Iñaki's family has class. I can't tell you about Letizia's family overall, but this aunt seems to be an attention seeker type of gal.
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:14 PM
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I like Paloma and her parents a lot, they seem humble and are always kind to the press without seeking much attention

the Ortiz branch gives the whole arrogant vibe, I don't really like any of them, specially Henar and Menchú, they are so arrogant and believe they are the greatest thing ever
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:44 AM
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I like Paloma and her parents a lot, they seem humble and are always kind to the press without seeking much attention

the Ortiz branch gives the whole arrogant vibe, I don't really like any of them, specially Henar and Menchú, they are so arrogant and believe they are the greatest thing ever
Probably you should remember something. From the beginning Menchu it was most harassed by the press, because she had been employed at the radio at Asturuias, like her sister who was employed at the radio at Madrid, they were not unknown. Menchu has been immensly good with the press, she attended to them always and had to support in numerous occasions that were "invading" her house. And all this in spite of the fact that she was passing for the disease of her husband, disease of that also her daughter had died. Only later of the death of her husband asked to make her calm, thing that some of they of them did not respect either.
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What had Henar or Menchu ever done to suggest they were the greatest things ever ? Menchu had always been very friendly to the press. She was quite a career woman of her generation when most women were housewives, that probably made some people dislike her.

Two very old pictures. The king had audience with the representatives of Asturian press that included Jesus and Menchu.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/886/97bc9fc2gp2.jpg
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The own journalists who were encamping in her house, have said that in some occasion she had invited them to take coffee in her house.

But to certain press only seems to be interested the business and enough little the persons. Anyone that has followed a bit this woman, would have realized that from the death of her husband she wanted to isolate a bit, neither her spirit nor her health seemed be nice. She is an elderly woman, who lives alone and who in a few years has lost a daughter, a husband and a granddaughter. She looks like a strong woman, her family has wanted that she went away to Madrid with them, but it seems that they have not convinced her totally and lives between her house of Asturias and Madrid, where probably her great-grandaughters suppose a good happiness.
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they just rub me the wrong way, give some arrogant vibe I don't like
and I still believe Henar is making the most about being the Princess' niece, she wouldn't be known if it wasn't for Letizia, she got a extreme makeover, a store, not to mention when she got a contract with Ribadesella's town house for the turistic promotion and the next government took it away, because there wasn't really good and only because she was the Princess' Aunt

Henar on "Está Pasando" :





"let's not talk about family, can we?" (gimme a break please, like she doesn't revel on being the Princess' aunt )
"I'm the only in the family without a salary" (what does that mean? that the rest of them is being kept by our taxes or what?)
"The store in town flooded and then I went to Oviedo and got this new store"
"I've had the italian project for several years now" (yeah, and it only became a reality after a couple of years her niece's been married, things happen like that, right?)

Henar, darling: please SHUT UP!
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:57 AM
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Henar & Letizia have pretty much the same style of talking & the same hectic gestures or driven attitude. Always thought that Letizia is more Ortiz than Rocasolano. Boy, Menchu has grown old in the past years. Life has not been kind to her since her granddaughter hit the jackpot and it shows.

I find the media attitude quite aggressive in Spain looking at the video (and I live in Britain!), Menchu & Henar being followed and photographed all the time (ok, Henar is an attention seeker but quite unimportant after all). Unless there has been a specific reason or occasion, I can't recall family members or relatives of a member of the BRF being constantly followed by the media. Sometimes I think there is only Letizia in Spain who is able to produce those headlines that bring the real money and to me it looks like Spain is lacking some major scandals or misbehaving top class VIPs who could draw the attention away from the CP If the british media depended on those silly or not really scandalous stories about Charles & Camilla in order to survive, OMG, they would be in deep trouble to make it to the next day.
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:08 AM
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Spain is filled with pathetic people who sell their families and dignity to be on TV or media like Hola

one example is the Queen of Frikis, Belén Esteban:



or late Baron Thyssen son, Borja and his wife Blanca (who look like a mob hitman and his trophy wife):

http://www.hola.com/famosos/2007/12/...gs/borja-a.jpg

Everytime someone famous breaks up with someone not that famous, gets a illegitimate kid, family issues, it is always portrayed in those TV shows and media

Henar is just another one of those attention seekers, she would have done the same thing if Letizia was a rock star or something
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:12 AM
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Since for my it is good that of information and clarifies things, if these journalists can fill their programs and to earn money speaking about her, she have right to clarify the things. The negative thing is that it is this program and this television channel those who have looked for her. There is no channel of television that it has done more negotiate with the Princess that Tele 5, and i it has done with enought small respect and few scruples .... those who will be they to criticize someone. This only will serve in order that they refill their programs several days.

The information about the shop seems to me to be very interesting, because if her previous shop was flooded will have received a good assurance. On the other hand, a shop in Cangas de Onís had to be a great business, because it is one of the most tourist villages of Asturias for its nearness to Covadonga. Probably even more profitable than a shop in Oviedo, where already there are many shops. The people believe that the city gives more money that the villages and it is not always like that.

On the topic of Ribadesella's Town hall it was a public contest, in which she took part with a team of persons, all that is inside of the normality ... another thing is that for a political decision, later the new mayor of ideology opposite to the previous one was rejecting this project.

On the topic of the salary it is something very easy of dealing. She has her own business and is she who has to work if she wants that her business works and wants to eat. The rest of the family works for others.

In the Royal Family the example of the Infanta Elena is, she is an owner of the day-care center at which she is employed, is an owner and works there. It if that is more questionable and nobody criticizes it.
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:33 AM
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yeah right, a lot of money on Cangas...
she had a small store with a stand on the street and she did some pottery and stuff like that
but yeah, she had the big bucks, that's why she dressed like a 70's reject and was having trouble with money

I think the worst part of all is that Henar didn't seem to realize that everything she does and says can be used against Letizia (and being Letizia's aunt is what has given her almost everything she has now), she's an attention seeker, a friki, and it's quite sad she doesn't stop to think on the consequences of her acts and how those cannot benefit Letizia on any way
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:37 AM
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I find the media attitude quite aggressive in Spain looking at the video (and I live in Britain!), Menchu & Henar being followed and photographed all the time (ok, Henar is an attention seeker but quite unimportant after all). Unless there has been a specific reason or occasion, I can't recall family members or relatives of a member of the BRF being constantly followed by the media. Sometimes I think there is only Letizia in Spain who is able to produce those headlines that bring the real money and to me it looks like Spain is lacking some major scandals or misbehaving top class VIPs who could draw the attention away from the CP If the british media depended on those silly or not really scandalous stories about Charles & Camilla in order to survive, OMG, they would be in deep trouble to make it to the next day.
You would be surprised. At least neither Henar, nor no member of the family Ortiz Rocasolano has received money for speaking in a magazine or going to a television, and because of it they would receive with many facility thousands of Euros. The numbers I assure you that they are scandalous.

The Princess Letizia has been from the first moment a great business, and the most surprising thing is that nobody nearby has taken advantage of her to fill their pocket of money. On the contrary they are journalists and agencies of press those that they are making rich with the Princess, in a game where everything is valid.

From the first moment this family has been very persecuted, a thing that had never happened in the environment of the Royal Family. Not neither with the sons-in-law of the King and their families, nor with the nephews of the King ... Letizia's family, they were defenseless persons to whom nobody was defending of the press, and that were interested for being a family of... Paloma Rocasolano has had for 3 years to the press in the door of her work but every day, if every week, Erika was chased by the press that was waiting for her in the college of her daughter, Jesus Ortiz has said from all the possible forms to the press that should not chase for the street, Francisco Rocasolano at his 90 years was chased by the press that later one was deceiving of him, Menchu has supported that the press gets into the garden of her house without permission.

And my favorite moment, the most atrocious behavior that I have seen in the press of this country, Carla Vigo Ortiz with 6 years chased by the press two days after her mother died. After it I believe that they cannot make anything worse to this family.

And do they criticize Henar because she speaks about her designs? (It is about what she speaks in the magazine not of other thing)

Shame should have the press.
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:51 AM
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yeah right, a lot of money on Cangas...
she had a small store with a stand on the street and she did some pottery and stuff like that
but yeah, she had the big bucks, that's why she dressed like a 70's reject and was having trouble with money
I cannot judge it, because I did not know her shop, do not believe that you knew it either ... and unfortunately wicked rumors there are many. I know her shop of now, and it is a small, not special at all shop. For other side, Cangas de Onis is a tourist site, Covadonga is visited by thousands of persons in summer, so very badly negotiate it did not have to be.

Neither it is necessary to judge her aspect, her first images were taken in the village, with totally informal clothes. I do not know many people that dress equal in the city that in a village in the mountain. Like it is normal that if you start having public life you take care more of your aspect. For my her more evident change it was the hair. For the rest takes any image of someone without making up and with informal clothes and compare with someone made up, hairdo and dressed good ... another person. If she has changed for better, better for her.

Certainly, I am sorry that you do not have opinion about the business of the members of the Royal Family, which if they charge of the State and they have privileges. I believe that it is more questionable, and that nevertheless continues being chosen for the aim that is easy to attack.
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:55 AM
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I think everybody is to blame:

the press for being so bloodthirsty
famous people and their relatives/acquantainces for being greedy enough to sell their dignity and family for money or fame
people for watching those shows and buying those magazines

some of course are innocent like little Carla but others just got what they deserve (like Henar, if she doesn't want critics, then she should keep a low profile )

it's more like a social phenomenon in Spain the fact that everybody loves each other's disgrace and loves to bitch about everybody, the press wouldn't chase people or be the way they are if there wasn't an audience for it
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Ultimately, it is normal that if someone suffers the negative thing, also it wants to take advantage of the positive thing.

Because of it, for my the limits are clear. With the situation that nowadays has the Spanish press, I believe that if the persons speak about their work there is no problem. For my Hernar Ortiz is not problem, if she speaks about her designs and about her shop .... if she will charge of her personal life and of the life of her family, yes it would be serious.

Paloma Rocasolano has been the most patient woman of Spain (with the Duchess of Alba) and yes, for the people have sharm, but she has supported every day to the press and they questions insolent and stupid.

Jesus Ortiz, has asked to the press that it does not chase, less patient but always educated. And the yellow press has drawn it as a non polite .... curiously the journalists who have had the opportunity to speak with him without pursuit say that is a polite and correct man.

If you are good with the press they take advantage, if you it are not so much, take revenge ... whatever happens they are going to look for arguments to criticize. They have to look for material. If in several days they do not have news on the princess, already they take charge looking for something for absurdity that it is.

The Royal House presses in order that the press respects to the Infanta Elena and her family, Zapatero prohibits that one photographs his daughters .... but there are many defenseless persons.

If the family Ortiz Rocasolano had requested this protection for Carla, who is protected by the law, it had turned in a scandal and had criticized to the family. The family has had to choose to protect they the girl, and because does not appear not in the family photos like in the baptism of her cousin.
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From the first moment this family has been very persecuted, a thing that had never happened in the environment of the Royal Family. Not neither with the sons-in-law of the King and their families, nor with the nephews of the King ... Letizia's family, they were defenseless persons to whom nobody was defending of the press, and that were interested for being a family of... Paloma Rocasolano has had for 3 years to the press in the door of her work but every day, if every week, Erika was chased by the press that was waiting for her in the college of her daughter, Jesus Ortiz has said from all the possible forms to the press that should not chase for the street, Francisco Rocasolano at his 90 years was chased by the press that later one was deceiving of him, Menchu has supported that the press gets into the garden of her house without permission.

And my favorite moment, the most atrocious behavior that I have seen in the press of this country, Carla Vigo Ortiz with 6 years chased by the press two days after her mother died. After it I believe that they cannot make anything worse to this family.

And do they criticize Henar because she speaks about her designs? (It is about what she speaks in the magazine not of other thing)

Shame should have the press.
I agree lula and I guess we've been here before . Still this is hard for me to understand since I don't recall such permanent harassment in any other royal family in terms of extended family members (unless they are attentions seekers, of course). Yes, others do get harassed as well but usually in connection to some scandals or events popping up and as soon as the storm is over it gets quiet again. Why not in Spain? Why does the press wait at Palomas work place every day or take a picture of a 90 year old man when he buys his daily newspaper? Can't believe people are insterested in reading that, day in day out. There must be more exciting things in Spain to write about than Letizia or her family. How did the media industry exist before her. Seems they have waited for 35 years for Felipe to get married (hopefully to a woman who does not have some powerful lobby) in order to make a serious amount of $$$.
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or late Baron Thyssen son, Borja and his wife Blanca (who look like a mob hitman and his trophy wife):
They are really cheap:
http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/E...1/f083mh12.jpg, that's as embarrassing as it can get. OK, Tita's background is not exactly noble either but I wonder what Heini would have thought about this combination Borja went from remote controlled high society kid to a tattoed biker and Blanca had some serious surgery, went from A to DDD+. An odd couple and definitely not what Tita had in mind for her obedient son
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I agree with you in some points lula, the Rocasolano branch has been really patient with the press and they are always kind but never attention seekers like Henar is, that's why I like them

Henar is embarrassing the family with her far fetched tales about a english dandy and God knows what
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But she does not damage to anybody for doing thet commentary. In the fund she is a bit innocent, does not seem to me to be not dangerous at all.

I have been thinking, in some "animals" of tv linked to the Borbón.

Leandro de Borbón, illegitimate child of Alfonso XIII it has been done of gold in the televisions, telling his life and doing the commentaries that he has wanted on the Royal Family, that nobody knows if they are true or not.

Alessandro Lequio, grandson of the Infanta Beatriz, aunt of the King, is the worst example of all, lives of the scandals for many years, and now he is employed at television.

Olivia de Borbón, daughter of the Duke of Seville, a distant cousin of the King, came to a reality show of television, where she began a sentimental relation.

I believe that all these figures are more scandalous enough.
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Henar missed her call, she should have been a stand-up comedy artist, some of the things she says are just too far fetched and funny not to laugh
oh, uncle Leandro funny old guy, since he doesn't work he has to make a living out of something, right? the funniest part is that he speaks like he has breakfast and lunch with the RF everyday
Count Lecquio is one of those relatives you don't wanna have (like Henar ), the black sheep that exists in every family
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Count Lecquio is one of those relatives you don't wanna have (like Henar ), the black sheep that exists in every family
I believe that the difference between Lequio and she is big ... when Henar appears in the front page of a magazine with a man in the bed, when she criticizes to her ex-boyfriends in the television, comment on her romances, comment reality shows, and earn thousands of Euros for doing it ... that is what Lequio does...we speak.
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