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Old 10-25-2007, 07:36 PM
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I agree with you Mari * , That is really offensive and of course that says A LOT of what kind of person you are...
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:04 PM
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I don't see anything offensive or harsh. Crisiñaki is just telling us what people in Spain say about people in general who go from rags to riches. I don't believe she is calling this lady anything. IMO there is more name calling that is quite offensive in this forum. Let's have fun and enjoy the posts! Cheers!
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:41 PM
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thanks Rox for your support and understanding!

I think my point didn't come across very well :

1. Henar is obviously living her 15 minutes of fame and it's all about her being the aunt of the Princess, whether is intentional or not, that's a different matter whatsoever, the point is: she is where she is because of her family connections, just like every other person in the planet has done

2. the "piojo resucitado" comment came from a conversation I had with some friends and family from Spain, that's the word I've heard on the street, because of her sudden rise to "designer stardom" so to speak (where's your sense of humor people? people like to make fun of others, just like we make fun of the rest of the SRF and their extended families sometimes, how do you say golddigger in euskera? Answer: Urdangarin, etc, etc, etc)

3. She's a public person by family association, so I guess she can be discussed over, I however am not a public person, so discussion about me is not included in the package guys
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:25 AM
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Vanitatis.com - Leonor, en el cumple de Carla

Leonor, in the birthday of Carla

Last October 11, the Infanta came again to the appointment with her cousin, only that in the domicile where there resides her grandfather Jesus Ortiz with his wife Ana Togores. Leonor came to the party passed the six of the evening and with the gift in the hand for Carla, who invited to all her class. The guests' "little house" of the urbanization where her grandfather resides turned into an infantile party with hostesses, "chuches", cake and surprises for the children.

To half of the party appeared the very same Princess of Asturias to congratulate her only niece and minutes later did it the Prince Don Felipe, who enjoyed as a child seeing how his little one was passing it. It was a family meeting of the Ortiz, with Antonio Vigo to the front, and with the only desire of which the little Carla had her party of birthday as happy as possible.
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Old 10-26-2007, 05:41 AM
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By the way, where is Paloma? She used to be around the PoAA in previous years and I certainly had expected to see her when Letizia was honoured on Wednesday.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:24 AM
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Paloma Rocasolano only was last year in the ceremony. The only one that has been every year is Menchu, the parents of the Princess they have been alternated, one year Jesus other Paloma.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:33 AM
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Paloma Rocasolano only was last year in the ceremony. The only one that has been every year is Menchu, the parents of the Princess they have been alternated, one year Jesus other Paloma.
Thanks. Strange that none of Letizia's parents was present on Wednesday. Maybe we'll see one of them today.
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Old 10-28-2007, 09:27 AM
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2. the "piojo resucitado" comment came from a conversation I had with some friends and family from Spain, that's the word I've heard on the street, because of her sudden rise to "designer stardom" so to speak (where's your sense of humor people? people like to make fun of others, just like we make fun of the rest of the SRF and their extended families sometimes, how do you say golddigger in euskera? Answer: Urdangarin, etc, etc, etc)
the thing is, you were the only one who had that back-story. since you did not elaborate on that on your first post, many people who are also familiar with the term but in its negative context reacted very differently. the same goes with the Urdangarin joke; i don't remember if that's been shared here, in this forum.

i know we all have little jokes and comments, but i think it will really help if we include the back-story if we want to share the joke. it may take the funny element out of the joke but that would be much better to do than spark an misunderstanding instead.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:12 PM
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the principessa Henar strikes again:

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4265/henar1so0.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8311/henar2fa7.jpg

(Hola)

and a video where it's been said that some family and friends of Letizia have been taking advantage of her position:



(I'll post the rest later)

this woman definitely has no shame at all and doesn't even stop to think about her niece
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Is it a joke?
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
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OMG. Henar manages to get a 2 or 3 pager in Hola and shows up for the photoshoot in some old grey nightgown? That's what I call a successful self promotion
Hola must be quite desperate for stories related to Letizia if they do a homestory with a wannabe designer like Henar. Maybe Alonso Guerrero will be next in line, promoting his new book.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:35 PM
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Hola must be quite desperate for stories related to Letizia if they do a homestory with a wannabe designer like Henar. .
Yes, the magazines need material of the Princess or of any thing related to she .... it is what gives them money. In the same way as in the yellow programs of television or that some persons in the forums need material to criticize her.

Also it is curious the importance give to this lady who finally promotes her work, and only she speaks about her designs;the same press that promotes her is that the critique, business is business. And nevertheless scarcely are commented more scandalous topics of persons much nearer to the Royal Family. I have surprised that this information has come to the forum in less than one hour (I say it for the tv programme), and nevertheless to there be no well-read commentaries on the scandalous numbers that Marichalar receives for being a counselor of multiple companies, at which he would not be employed but he was a husband of an Infanta .... and the same thing applicable to Urdangarín. It is more serious and open to criticism because they enjoy the privileges of belonging to the Royal Family.

I believe that Henar Ortiz is only an anecdote, a lady who does a work and who has found a form to improve herself, and she does it speaking about her work and without speaking about anybody. I believe that it is an easy aim for the critique, and that in the environment of the Royal Family there are persons who do more lucrative business but speak abot them don´t provides money.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
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i find it way too much. she already posed for 3 hola issues and i don't think that's appropriate. i could pass one, if it was a mistake and she realised it, but she doesn't seem to have. i feel sorry for letizia.
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Letizia may not be my favourite person in the whole world, but I feel sorry for her, her family is taking advantage of her role as Princess of Asturias and that's simply sad

One question lula: do you put Jaime and Iñaki in the same ground as Henar? have you ever heard about Jaime's family or Iñaki's family taking advantage of their marriages? I don't think so

Their families have been as discreet as possible, with the exception of Álvaro de Marichalar, but he has done his own thing all along even before Jaime's marriage

She has posed for Hola, for Elle, has talked in TV shows, what's next? Henar in a reality show?

Henar had a little stand in Cangas and now she has a store on the best zone of Oviedo and suddenly people discovered her huge talent?
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Old 12-12-2007, 04:17 PM
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Letizia may not be my favourite person in the whole world...
We have already noticed that...
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Old 12-12-2007, 04:21 PM
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Letizia may not be my favourite person in the whole world, but I feel sorry for her, her family is taking advantage of her role as Princess of Asturias and that's simply sad

One question lula: do you put Jaime and Iñaki in the same ground as Henar? have you ever heard about Jaime's family or Iñaki's family taking advantage of their marriages? I don't think so

Their families have been as discreet as possible, with the exception of Álvaro de Marichalar, but he has done his own thing all along even before Jaime's marriage

She has posed for Hola, for Elle, has talked in TV shows, what's next? Henar in a reality show?

Henar had a little stand in Cangas and now she has a store on the best zone of Oviedo and suddenly people discovered her huge talent?
That I remember, Henar has never gone to a television, that the press chased her is another thing. And when she has appeared in these magazines she has talked exclusively of her work. Evidently it is known for being a family of the one who is. But it is what interests wing presses, the majority of those who appear they are children of, couples of, boy/girlfriends of.... For my while the people do the things with dignity and respect, there is no problem.

There are own Jaime and Iñaki, which have taken advantage of being sons-in-law of the King to do business millionaires. If they had not married the Infantas they neither would have the works that have, nor would earn the money that they earn. Because there have been several polemics in the matter. They form a part of the Royal Family, and are the members of the Royal Family those who must be more responsible, because they enjoy a few privileges and have a few obligations.

Of their families it is known little, because they have never been interested, they have never been harassed all the days since it has been harassed to the family of the Princess (Or now you will say that they appear in the press because they want), like Jaime and Iñaki interest enough little to the press in comparison with the Princess.

The most media is Alvaro, the brother of Jaime, grants many interviews, has gone to several televisions, has faced the press .... worse enough than Henar. The sister of Jaime, Ana, appeared in all the magazines when they inaugurated the shop of Blanhik's shoes. His brother Amalio is employed at the topic of the sustainable development, and has organized forums on the topic at that the Dukes of Lugo have presided.

Iñaki's family, does not live in Madrid, is more isolated from the maelstrom, but if the Royal Family goes to some act in the Basque Country it is not strange that any Urdangarín appears. In one of the last trips of the princes, the brother of Iñaki was present in the lunch. Surely, at the social level in their locality also they have been benefited.

They all have been of benefit more or less, because of being totally unknown they have passed to be known, and it is irremediable that the status changes. But there are persons who have more responsibility that different, and the aunt of Letizia, is not anybody, for promoting her designs and having her shop do not damage to anybody. Less when there are others that are gained million Euros for belonging to the Royal Family or be near.
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Henar is a desginer now, promotion is part of the job description. Other designers also gave interviews, posed for magazines to promote their products through the connections they could find. If Henar had worked for Red Cross (as Telma) and posed for magazines left and right, then it would be totally wrong since it was not job related.
Jaime's sister Ana is co-owner of Blanhik's shoe store. Obviously she and Jaime got the license through the royal connection.
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a designer? she did ceramic stuff in her stand in Congas and now she's Balenciaga's reincarnation?

No one here is attacking Letizia, I may not like her, but I think she's innocent of her family's behavior, specially Henar's who is taking full advantage of her niece's position which doesn't help the RF at all

I think if Jaime and Iñaki wouldn't have gotten all those business, they would have been skinned alive for being kept

Henar was the one who got a extreme makeover, a brand new store in the best part of Oviedo and many other things

She shouldn't be so flamboyant about it, not going into magazines and stuff like that

if her brand is so awesome, then make publicity of the brand, not about herself, she's a bit full of it

I feel bad about Letizia, because her family is using all the advantages and all the blame is left for her, and that's not fair, I guess she's the less interested in these kind of business
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I feel bad about Letizia, because her family is using all the advantages and all the blame is left for her, and that's not fair, I guess she's the less interested in these kind of business
Her family ? Except for her aunt, I only heard Erika and Paloma changing jobs, but only ordinary jobs as a graphic designer (Erika) or arranging travels for the nurses (Paloma). Changing jobs happened to every single working person all the time. I doubt the members of Inaki's family or Jaime's family had never changed jobs after Inaki or Jaime married the Infantas (nothing out of ordinary for changing jobs), they haven't been on the news, that's all.
Henar is a designer now, whether she is successful or not, that's another story, but there are Italian companies that are willing to cooperate with her (didn't she have a fashion show in Florence before).
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Letizia may not be my favourite person in the whole world, but I feel sorry for her, her family is taking advantage of her role as Princess of Asturias and that's simply sad

One question lula: do you put Jaime and Iñaki in the same ground as Henar? have you ever heard about Jaime's family or Iñaki's family taking advantage of their marriages? I don't think so
Just because you haven't heard stories doesn't mean that they have been whiter than white. There has been less written about both familes to begin with and they are not as "interesting" to the press imo.

As an outsider looking in it seems to me that certain elements of the Spanish media will not be satisfied until Letizia is no longer a member of the RF. They seems determined to go to any extreme length to criticise Letizia, even condeming her for the actions of others.
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