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Old 05-06-2005, 03:02 AM
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Felipe is not titled as the CP of Spain. He is the Prince of Asturias. He is not the Crown Prince of Spain.


Oh, excuse me. What a major mistake. I am deeply sorry.

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That is fine for you if you would not feel comfortable marrying someone you had only know for only a year or so. But that doesn't mean that it isn't okay for Felipe and Letizia. So long as they are the two in the relationship and they are the ones who committed themselves before God, then only they can know how strong their relationship is and if marriage is/was a suitable decision for them.
Hav I said that it wasn't OK for Felipe and Letizia? I have only said that I considered their relationship as whirlwind and that I would NEVER choose to marry someone I've only known for a bit more than a year.

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Furthermore, I think Felipe particularly would be more cautious in his choice of bride. As the future King of Spain, he knew very well the responsibilities and the heavy burden of choosing a suitable wife, not only for himself but for his country. He seems to be an intelligent individual; he would not have proposed to any woman without considering all the ramifications and consequences, or if he did not feel that he truly loved Letizia or that Letizia loved him.
In my experience, your judgment can be somewhat clouded in the beginning of a relationship. Lord knows that I have made som bad choices...


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Statistics say that couples who live together before marriage do not necessarily have a better chance of making their marriage last. So whether Felipe and Letizia lived together before their wedding would be a null factor.
Could you show that statistics please?



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That is like comparing apples and oranges. The length of Felipe and Letizia's relationship was typical of most royal courtships. That Letizia is an untypical choice of bride has nothing to do with the length of their relationship. If you want to discuss the "typicalness" of choices of brides, then many of the present Crown Princesses would be untypical choices too: Maxima (non-royal, father with scandalous past); Mette-Marit (non-royal, no university degree, single mother, self-admitted partyer); Mary (non-royal, lived with a man during a previous relationship).
Do you believe that the historical royal marriages when the bride and groom barely knew eachother were happy?
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Old 05-06-2005, 01:31 PM
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Can someone who's a subscriptor of Hola post this article for us pleeease

(During her freetime, Doña Letizia visits her sister-in-law Infanta Elena):

http://www.hola.com/casasreales/2005...-visitainfant/
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:29 PM
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here's the article from hola magazine:

Aprovechando un pequeño paréntesis en medio de sus numerosos
compromisos oficiales, la princesa Letizia se dirigió a casa de su cuñada, la infanta Elena. Desde que se conociera su noviazgo con el príncipe Felipe, doña Letizia ha mantenido siempre una excelente relación con la Familia Real y, en especial, con la Reina y las Infantas, que le han servido de modelo y apoyo en su nueva vida como Princesa.

Ajena a los cada vez más numerosos rumores que apuntan a un cercano anuncio de embarazo, doña Letizia aprovechó la soleada mañana de primavera para pasar unas horas en compañía de la Duquesa de Lugo. La Princesa llegó sola al domicilio madrileño de su cuñada al volante de su propio coche, un vehículo de color azul metalizado.

Su primer aniversario de boda En las últimas semanas, se ha podido ver a los Príncipes muy felices en los diferentes actos a los que han acudido. Hace algunos días, don Felipe y doña Letizia viajaron a Cuenca, ciudad en la que comenzaron su luna de miel, y recorrieron los mismos lugares que hace casi un año- el próximo 22 de mayo se cumple el primer aniversario de su enlace en la Catedral de la Almudena- fueron testigos del inicio de su vida en común. Allí se mostraron relajados y especialmente cariñosos con los niños que se agolpaban en las calles a su paso, un gesto habitual en ellos que cobra especial importancia en medio de los comentarios de un posible embarazo de la Princesa. Al día siguiente, y ya junto a don Felipe, doña Letizia asistió a un acto de conmemoración del aniversario de la creación de las becas del Instituto de Comercio Exterior, ICEX. La semana que viene los Príncipes comenzarán una visita oficial a las Baleares, el primer viaje oficial que hacen a una comunidad autónoma.

La infanta Elena ha retomado también recientemente su agenda de
compromisos, junto a su marido, Jaime de Marichalar, asistiendo a la inauguración de una exposición sobre la Inmaculada que acoge la Catedral de la Almudena.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:45 PM
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here's the article from hola magazine:
would some1 be kind and translate this article?
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:57 PM
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Thanks Raquel! Weren't there any pictures with it?

Here's a translation of the article

Taking advantage of a little gap between her numerous official engagements, princess Letizia went to the house of her sister-in-law, Infanta Elena. Since her relationship with prince Felipe became public, doña Letizia as always kept a great relationship with the queen and the infantas that have served as a model for her new life as a princess.
Oblivious to the numerous rumours that point to an announcement of pregnancy very soon, doña Letizia took advantage of the sunny spring morning to spend some time with the Duchess of Lugo. The princess arrived alone at Elena's madrid home, driving her own car that had the color metal blue.
On the last weeks we're being able to see the princes very happy during the different acts they've attended to. Some days ago, don Felipe and doña Letizia traveled to Cuenca, the city where they started their honeymoon and went by the same places that were, almost a year ago, the witnesses of the start of their common life. There, they showed themselves relaxed and specially tender with the children that the came near them or stood nearby in the crowd, a really common gesture of theirs that gains a new force against the news of a possible pregnancy of the princess. On the next day, already together with don Felipe, doña Letizia attended an act celebrating the anniversary of ICEX. Next week, the princes will start an official visit to the Balears Islands, the first official visit they'll make to an independent community.
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Felipe is not titled as the CP of Spain. He is the Prince of Asturias. He is not the Crown Prince of Spain.
Oh, excuse me. What a major mistake. I am deeply sorry.
he may not be refered as the crown prince of spain, but legally he is. in the spanish constitution says that the crown prince heritier of spain is named prince of asturias. i think quite the same happens with the prince of orange.
it's just the same for cristina and elena... the fact that they are duchesses of lugo and palma doesn't have anything to do with also being infantas de españa.
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While that is one side of ambition, it is not the only side.
if you carefully read my post you will see that i just said that and never denied it.


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I wouldn't really trust the counting done by you and your friends. You are obviously biased when it comes to Letizia so no doubt you'd short change her in the count. I'll wait for an official count from someone more reputable, like a proper accounting firm, thank you very much.
i don't really care whether you trust me or not. i founded all your commentaries quite offensive, as you sad implicetely that i was lying or kind of. as you can see i'm not lying. that's it. they have worked that days according to the casa real (and again i repeat... you can count them yourself if you dont trust me, as you said). maybe the problem here comes when some people don't like accepting the truth.
you are talking about things you don't really know much about, seriously and with all my respect, but that's like that. you already made 2 or 3 comments that were actually wrong so... if people only read what you said then they would obviously consider you as a someone non reputable. excuse me , sir or madam, you may not find yourself reputable... i am and that's how i would define myself and all the comments i make here have that qualification.

ANYWAY... just a pointless discussion but this was actually pissing me off. sorry admins, from my part this will not go much further.
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Old 05-07-2005, 05:26 AM
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ANYWAY... just a pointless discussion but this was actually pissing me off. sorry admins, from my part this will not go much further.
The points of both parts of the discussion are clear enough, so I would ask everybody not to perpetuate this pointless discussion into a mere fencing. Data was shared, contra-data was presented, opinions were given, disagreements too. Thanks for telling all of your thoughts.

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Old 05-07-2005, 05:28 AM
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here's the article from hola magazine
Thanks for posting the article! Weren't there any photos too?
I guess this visit was somehow related to the slight illness of the Infanta, a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, it's nice to see royals visiting each others, just as any other family does!
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Felipe is not titled as the CP of Spain. He is the Prince of Asturias. He is not the Crown Prince of Spain.
i've never bothered to ask but is Asturias a place or something? why isn't he crown prince of spain when he's going to be the King of Spain one day?
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i've never bothered to ask but is Asturias a place or something? why isn't he crown prince of spain when he's going to be the King of Spain one day?
You can read all about Felipe's titles at this thread:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...625#post206625
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You can read all about Felipe's titles at this thread:
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i've never bothered to ask but is Asturias a place or something? why isn't he crown prince of spain when he's going to be the King of Spain one day?
Asturias is a region in Spain. Principe de Asturias is a traditional title given to the heir as is Prince of Wales given to the heir of the British throne.
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Asturias is a region in Spain. Principe de Asturias is a traditional title given to the heir as is Prince of Wales given to the heir of the British throne.
oh ok...thanks Ennyllorac ^__^ that cleared it all up ^___^
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Asturias is a region in Spain. Principe de Asturias is a traditional title given to the heir as is Prince of Wales given to the heir of the British throne.
yes... it's a province up north of spain in the cantabric coast.
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here's the pic from the visit of letizia to elena. (hola)
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a spanish tv presenter, Sonia Ferrer, says that the good news that she wants to say is the pregnancy of letizia.



Sonia Ferrer desea poder comunicar pronto la noticia de embarazo de doña Letizia



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La guapa presentadora del programa "Gente", Sonia Ferrer, se mostró muy simpática ayer cuando acudió al Salón del Automóvil celebrado en Barcelona, donde presentaba un nuevo modelo de coche diseñado por Custo Dalmau.

Sonia habló de las virtudes que debe tener un coche: "La seguridad, porque un día tuve un susto en la carretera. No conducía yo, conducía mi madre. Tuvimos un accidente y me rompí los ligamentos de la rodilla, me tuvieron que operar. Fue un susto gordo, y es algo que no depende de ti. Volvíamos de pasar el día de Navidad, yo volvía al trabajo y por culpa de un loco que nos adelantó por la derecha a 200 km. por hora tuvimos que dar un volantazo con la carretera llena de hielo y tuvimos un golpe fuerte".

"Me gustan mucho los 4x4, el campo, y seguramente el día que decida tener un hijo sólo utilizaré un todoterreno, por seguridad", manifestó acerca de sus preferencias, y sobre si está lejos ese día, dijo: "Bueno, todavía está lejos, primero tendría que encontrar al padre. Tengo 27 años y no tengo ninguna prisa, por ahora estoy sola. Algún día, ya llegará, sin prisas". Para Sonia Ferrer, su trabajo en televisión no es tan estresante. "Uno se estresa lo que quiere", aseguró, y añadió: "Mi trabajo me encanta, lo disfruto muchísimo, mis compañeros son amigos y yo me lo paso bien y me río un montón. ¿Qué estrés tengo yo? No tengo que madrugar, tengo un horario fantástico, un programa de lujo, porque visto lo que hay por ahí, tengo muchísima suerte. No tengo ningún estrés, vivo en el campo, me levanto con el ruido de los pajaritos y casi nunca me pongo el despertador". La presentadora se mostró muy optimista y positiva. Además, quiso compartir cual sería su noticia más deseada para dar en su programa: "¡El embarazo de Letizia! Antes de eso era la boda del príncipe. Esa sería la mejor noticia que podría dar".
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La presentadora se mostró muy optimista y positiva. Además, quiso compartir cual sería su noticia más deseada para dar en su programa: "¡El embarazo de Letizia! Antes de eso era la boda del príncipe. Esa sería la mejor noticia que podría dar".
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The presenter was very optimistic and positive. In addition, she wanted to share what would be the news she much wishes to announce in her TV show: "The pregnancy of Letizia! Before that, it was the wedding of the prince. That would be the best news than I could give".

I guess it's not just Sonia Ferrer who wishes that...
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Could you show that statistics please?
Study: Living together may lead to breakups
July 25, 2002 Posted: 12:38 PM EDT (1638 GMT)

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Couples in the United States who live together before marrying may be more likely to consider divorce than those who do not, according to a study released Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's health statistics division.

The report on marriage, divorce, remarriage and cohabitation said 75 percent of American women have been married by age 30 and about half have lived with their partner outside of marriage.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

Couples who did not live together before marrying had a 31 percent chance of splitting up after 10 years, compared with a 40 percent chance for couples who cohabited before marriage, the study found.

One of the study's authors said the report did not draw the conclusion that living together before marriage was the cause of the relationship ending.

"It may not be the experience of cohabiting but the people who cohabit," said William Mosher.

"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.
Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

The CDC's National Center for Health Statistics report also compared the success rates for marriage and pre-marital cohabitation.

It found that the probability of a first marriage ending in separation or divorce within five years is 20 percent, compared with the 49 percent probability of a pre-marital cohabitation breaking up within the same time period.

After 10 years, the study found, a first marriage has a 33 percent chance of ending compared with a 62 percent chance for cohabitations.

The data suggested that a woman's age, whether she comes from an intact two-parent home, the importance of religion in her life, and economic factors also play a part in how long a marriage or cohabitation will last.

The study also found that the likelihood that divorced women will remarry has been declining over the past 50 years. According to the 1995 data, women who divorced in the 1980s had a 50 percent chance of remarrying compared with 65 percent in the 1950s.

The study also found that white women who have separated from their spouses are more likely to end the relationship in divorce than are Hispanic or black women, and women living in prosperous communities are more likely to do so than those in poorer neighborhoods.
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I´ve got a questionid anyone red the book "Tu seras mi reina"(don´t know if the title is really right)?Does anyone know if this book is available in English?
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