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i don't know if they married for love or not. but i would be more inclined to say they didn t really... or perhaps they liked themselves but that s all. mere atraction that won t last for long. it has been said how ambitious letizia is and that s quite suspicious...
anyway... time will tell us, perhaps i m wrong. but i don t really "put my hand in the fire" (as we say here) for this love...
You make ambition sound like something satanic or dirty. What's wrong with having some or even lots of ambition? Ambition can propel one to do many good things like working harder and longer hours, having determination to follow through with things, doing things that others may not want to do or like to do, setting goals for yourself, never giving up until you've reached a goal, having (often high) standards that you set for yourself and even others.

It could be considered a real asset that Letizia is an ambitious woman. Such ambition could be put towards great use for Spain and the monarchy. Wouldn't Spain rather have a princess who is dedicated to her role rather than someone who just wants to dress up in pretty smocks and pose for pictures in Zarzuela Palace or sip tea while servants cater to her every whim?

A less ambitious person might not have kept up the tireless schedule Letizia has this last year.

So what is so "quite suspicious" about Letizia's ambition?

In Letizia's case, if she only married Felipe so that one day she could be Queen of Spain and all the clout it holds (not even any power, just status), then I think she's sacrificed and lost a lot more for her ambitions then she'll ever gain. She has not subjected and committed herself to life long scrutiny of all of her actions, her physical appearances, her every bink, not to mention the media on uterus watch to see if and when the next heir to the throne will arrive.

If she had not married Felipe and stayed a journalist and worked her way up the ladder at her news station, she would've likely had more power and much less public scrutiny.

If she only married him for the title, then her sacrifice wasn't so much as "quite suspicious" than simply sad.
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Honestly I do not believe these people marry for love. They marry looking for what is convinient for their business.
Some very "convenient" choices these royals have made then:
* A single, unwed mother without a college or university degree (Norway)
* A woman whose father was responsible for a government that allowed mass murders (Holland)
* A divorcee who was marrying into a predominantly conservative and Catholic country (Spain)
* A divorcee who had an affair with her now husband for more than 30 years (England)

I am 100% certain that for Haakon, Willem-Alexander, Felipe, and Charles there were at least 50 better women for them to marry than the women they did choose. Each of these men could've saved themselves a lot of headaches if they had married other women then the ones they ultimately chose.

These men were also groomed from birth for their roles. They all seem to take their roles very seriously. I doubt that they would've given up their roles so quickly, and jeopardized their family's roles when they told their families that they would've renounced their rights to the throne if they could not marry their respective loves.
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IMO a relationship that leads to a marriage after 1 and a half years acquaintance is a whirlwind.
Is there some relationship standards test that I am unaware of?

One has to know each other X number of years before they should get married so that their relationship can be considered a strong relationship?

How many years do you have to date someone before it is considered not a whirlwind?

Historically, Felipe and Letizia's relationship length was typical of royal courtships. Most couples do not date for five or six years before getting engaged like Frederik and Mary.
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Is there some relationship standards test that I am unaware of?

One has to know each other X number of years before they should get married so that their relationship can be considered a strong relationship?

How many years do you have to date someone before it is considered not a whirlwind?

Historically, Felipe and Letizia's relationship length was typical of royal courtships. Most couples do not date for five or six years before getting engaged like Frederik and Mary.
No there aren't any relationship standards . If there were I would not have started the sentence "IMO..." :p

However, I would never want to marry someone I had only known for a little more than a year, even if he was the CP of Spain. I don't know if they lived together for that year at least, if they did it could help a little. Otherwise I think it's hard to get to know eachother in such a short period of time.

It is possible that Felipe and Letizia's relationship's lenght was typical historically. However, historically I don't think that Felipe would have been allowed to marry someone like Letizia and therefore I don't think that historical comparisons are very relevant...

But hey, these are just my opinions and maybe it's possible that I would be willing to give up my beliefs and marry so soon in the relationship (as Letizia did) if I hade the opportunity to become the princess of Asturias... :p
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But hey, these are just my opinions and maybe it's possible that I would be willing to give up my beliefs and marry so soon in the relationship (as Letizia did) if I hade the opportunity to become the princess of Asturias... :p
Or if we had the opportunity to marry nothing less than a handsome, charming, elegant, kind, respectfull, cultured man like Felipe (the one who has the looks of James Bond, according to American Esquire)... :p

Prince Felipe, Current Events Part 2: May 2003 - June 2006
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I was wondering, how old was Letizia when her parents got divorced?
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I think they divorced right after her graduation from either high school or college. I think it was college. I assume she was about 21 or 22.
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Letizia's parents divorced in the same year that she married Alonso Guerrero (1998). She was then 25 years old.

See the biography prepared by Anna_R:
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Letizia's parents divorced in the same year that she married Alonso Guerrero (1998). She was then 25 years old.

See the biography prepared by Anna_R:
Biography of Queen Letizia
Thanks Elsa! I read the bio but I must of missed that part!:)
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The Princess of Asturias accepted the Honour Chair of the XXI edition of the Journalism Awards Cirilo Rodriguez for Spanish correspondents abroad, organized by the Press Association of Segovia. The winner will be announced during a gala dinner, on June 3rd. However, the secretary of the Prince of Asturias cabinet, Jaime Alfonsin, communicated the organizers that it will not be possible to count on the presence of Doña Letizia Ortiz on that gala, since the Princes will make an official trip abroad by that date. Nevertheless, the Princes of Asturias will receive a representation of the jury and the awarded journalist in a posterior date.
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You make ambition sound like something satanic or dirty. What's wrong with having some or even lots of ambition? Ambition can propel one to do many good things like working harder and longer hours, having determination to follow through with things, doing things that others may not want to do or like to do, setting goals for yourself, never giving up until you've reached a goal, having (often high) standards that you set for yourself and even others.

It could be considered a real asset that Letizia is an ambitious woman. Such ambition could be put towards great use for Spain and the monarchy. Wouldn't Spain rather have a princess who is dedicated to her role rather than someone who just wants to dress up in pretty smocks and pose for pictures in Zarzuela Palace or sip tea while servants cater to her every whim?

A less ambitious person might not have kept up the tireless schedule Letizia has this last year.

So what is so "quite suspicious" about Letizia's ambition?

In Letizia's case, if she only married Felipe so that one day she could be Queen of Spain and all the clout it holds (not even any power, just status), then I think she's sacrificed and lost a lot more for her ambitions then she'll ever gain. She has not subjected and committed herself to life long scrutiny of all of her actions, her physical appearances, her every bink, not to mention the media on uterus watch to see if and when the next heir to the throne will arrive.

If she had not married Felipe and stayed a journalist and worked her way up the ladder at her news station, she would've likely had more power and much less public scrutiny.

If she only married him for the title, then her sacrifice wasn't so much as "quite suspicious" than simply sad.
i have nothing against ambitous people. i think its really good wanting to do things better and better each time, but that type of characther (and i don't think anyone will disagree with me at this point) can be judged in anoher very different and dirty way as you describe it. i mean... melania knauss (maried d. trump, billionaire, with nothing more than power and money), kevin frederline (married britney spears, dont know because of what but he seems to like posing for vogue and being seen with britney) and others lots of famous people can be considered ambitious and that s not because of their harder and better work each time.

also... you are saying that: letizia has a tireless schedule, She will be subjected to a "long scrutiny of all of her actions, her physical appearances, her every bink", and stressed by the fact giving birth to a heir. however, you are not saying anything of the many more nice and pleasant things being a princess has. i don't think many of the princesses by marriage will change her current status for being again unknown people. being princess has loads of great things that you are not mentioning, you are just mentioning the worst and more unpleasant part of it.

just another little appointment. their schedule is not as bad and tiring as you are saying. me and some friends were counting the acts they were in during the year. you can have a look in their forum. ill post it just now. :)

(by the way... this is not starting a discussion, so please don't come up now with a long term pointless discussion, this is just my humble opinion...)
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In Spain, musical comedies about public figures or rock and pop stars are the last trend. After Alaska, Queen, Mecano, John Lennon or ABBA, in December will be staged a rock opera about Doña Letizia. The expert on monarchy Fernando Garcia will be in charge of advising the staging of it.
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That sounds for an interesting event. I'm sure it will be great. Thanks for the info!
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(by the way... this is not starting a discussion, so please don't come up now with a long term pointless discussion, this is just my humble opinion...)
Last time I checked this was a discussion forum. So long as you make posts on this forum, I and everyone else are free to discuss your points as we see fit. If you don't care for "starting a discussion" then why post here at all? Or why consider this discussion a "long term pointless discussion" if you keep engaging in it? I don't see the moderators here saying "don't discuss" so why would you, a regular member just like me, say in your own post "don't discuss?"

You're humble opinon or not, if you share it, then others are free to comment on it, including me.

So, "by the way" my opinon matters here as much as yours and if I want to carry on the "long term pointless discussion" then I will.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:18 PM
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i have nothing against ambitous people. i think its really good wanting to do things better and better each time, but that type of characther (and i don't think anyone will disagree with me at this point) can be judged in anoher very different and dirty way as you describe it. i mean... melania knauss (maried d. trump, billionaire, with nothing more than power and money), kevin frederline (married britney spears, dont know because of what but he seems to like posing for vogue and being seen with britney)
Unless you've personally talked to Melania and Kevin and they told you themselves that they only married Donald and Brittany for the power and money or so that they could be famous, these notions are pure speculation on your part. One can never know the true intentions of another individual.

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and others lots of famous people can be considered ambitious and that s not because of their harder and better work each time.
While that is one side of ambition, it is not the only side. In Letizia's case it is hardly the case. Whatever you think of Letizia, whether you like her or not, she does work hard and does have a strong work ethic. She did while she was a journalist and she does not as the Princess of Asturias.

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also... you are saying that: letizia has a tireless schedule, She will be subjected to a "long scrutiny of all of her actions, her physical appearances, her every bink", and stressed by the fact giving birth to a heir. however, you are not saying anything of the many more nice and pleasant things being a princess has. i don't think many of the princesses by marriage will change her current status for being again unknown people. being princess has loads of great things that you are not mentioning, you are just mentioning the worst and more unpleasant part of it.
I am not denying that Letizia has some nice perks as the Princess of Asturias. Given the choice of living in a nice palace, tiaras and dripping jewels at my disposal to wear, and nice clothes or a life under the watchful eye of the media and the public, I would certainly not choose the first option. Some people might, but others might not. What is considered a "perk" to some is not such a "perk" to others.

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just another little appointment. their schedule is not as bad and tiring as you are saying. me and some friends were counting the acts they were in during the year. you can have a look in their forum. ill post it just now. :)
I wouldn't really trust the counting done by you and your friends. You are obviously biased when it comes to Letizia so no doubt you'd short change her in the count. I'll wait for an official count from someone more reputable, like a proper accounting firm, thank you very much.
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However, I would never want to marry someone I had only known for a little more than a year, even if he was the CP of Spain.
Felipe is not titled as the CP of Spain. He is the Prince of Asturias. He is not the Crown Prince of Spain.

That is fine for you if you would not feel comfortable marrying someone you had only know for only a year or so. But that doesn't mean that it isn't okay for Felipe and Letizia. So long as they are the two in the relationship and they are the ones who committed themselves before God, then only they can know how strong their relationship is and if marriage is/was a suitable decision for them.

Furthermore, I think Felipe particularly would be more cautious in his choice of bride. As the future King of Spain, he knew very well the responsibilities and the heavy burden of choosing a suitable wife, not only for himself but for his country. He seems to be an intelligent individual; he would not have proposed to any woman without considering all the ramifications and consequences, or if he did not feel that he truly loved Letizia or that Letizia loved him.

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I don't know if they lived together for that year at least, if they did it could help a little. Otherwise I think it's hard to get to know eachother in such a short period of time.
Statistics say that couples who live together before marriage do not necessarily have a better chance of making their marriage last. So whether Felipe and Letizia lived together before their wedding would be a null factor.

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It is possible that Felipe and Letizia's relationship's lenght was typical historically. However, historically I don't think that Felipe would have been allowed to marry someone like Letizia and therefore I don't think that historical comparisons are very relevant...
That is like comparing apples and oranges. The length of Felipe and Letizia's relationship was typical of most royal courtships. That Letizia is an untypical choice of bride has nothing to do with the length of their relationship. If you want to discuss the "typicalness" of choices of brides, then many of the present Crown Princesses would be untypical choices too: Maxima (non-royal, father with scandalous past); Mette-Marit (non-royal, no university degree, single mother, self-admitted partyer); Mary (non-royal, lived with a man during a previous relationship).
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Here’s an interview with Lorenzo Caprile, one of Letizia’s favourite designers, where he speaks about the Princess of Asturias, among other things. I just translated the passages related to her:


- Why did Letizia Ortiz choose you to design her gala outfits?
- I believe she went to my factory, because she herd about me in her closest circle. Her two sisters-in-law know me and my work very well. They know that I am very discreet and that Doña Letizia was going to be safe in my atelier, that there would not be any type of indiscretion.

- Which of Letizia's outfits took more time to make?
- The grey model she wore in her pre-wedding gala. It is the most complicated gown, technically speaking.

- And of which of all do you feel prouder?
- The one that I like the most is the one of the Vatican. There was a strict protocol: it should be a long dress, with long sleeves, without decollete, with mantilla... With so many restrictions it was obtained a very pretty result. In many surveys, it has also been the most voted of all.

- Does anyone give approval to the dresses she wears?
- Only she does. She attends the proofs alone, and, as any other of my clients, she’s the one who has in mind if we should go this or that way. We have made very different things and all of them were approved.

- What do you like the most about the Princess of Asturias?
- The glance, because it’s a very strong one.

- Now she seems thinner.
- When someone is thin, with a small and fragile constitution, one or two kilos above or down is immediately noticed, but she continues wearing nr. 38.
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Historically, Felipe and Letizia's relationship length was typical of royal courtships. Most couples do not date for five or six years before getting engaged like Frederik and Mary.
I thought Maxima and WA had been dating for about 4 (?) years when they got married. So not everybody makes the decision to marry after less than a year of dating. :)
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Here’s an interview with Lorenzo Caprile, one of Letizia’s favourite designers, where he speaks about the Princess of Asturias, among other things. I just translated the passages related to her:


- Why did Letizia Ortiz choose you to design her gala outfits?
- I believe she went to my factory, because she herd about me in her closest circle. Her two sisters-in-law know me and my work very well. They know that I am very discreet and that Doña Letizia was going to be safe in my atelier, that there would not be any type of indiscretion.

- Which of Letizia's outfits took more time to make?
- The grey model she wore in her pre-wedding gala. It is the most complicated gown, technically speaking.

- And of which of all do you feel prouder?
- The one that I like the most is the one of the Vatican. There was a strict protocol: it should be a long dress, with long sleeves, without decollete, with mantilla... With so many restrictions it was obtained a very pretty result. In many surveys, it has also been the most voted of all.

- Does anyone give approval to the dresses she wears?
- Only she does. She attends the proofs alone, and, as any other of my clients, she’s the one who has in mind if we should go this or that way. We have made very different things and all of them were approved.

- What do you like the most about the Princess of Asturias?
- The glance, because it’s a very strong one.

- Now she seems thinner.
- When someone is thin, with a small and fragile constitution, one or two kilos above or down is immediately noticed, but she continues wearing nr. 38.
Thanks Elsa! It was interesting to hear what he has to say as I love the dresses he has made for her. Also who better to comment on her weight than the person who makes her clothes.
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