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Old 05-21-2003, 08:08 PM
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Prince Felipe, Current Events Part 2: May 2003 - June 2006

LOS QUEBRADEROS DE CABEZA DEL REY: LA GUERRA, EL REBROTE NACIONALISTA Y CASAR AL PRÍNCIPE


Las personas que se mueven en el entorno del Rey, sobre todo amigos personales que lo tratan en el ámbito privado, comentan que si alguien sintió alivio por el fin de la guerra de Iraq fue don Juan Carlos, después de haber vivido en silencio pero con honda preocupación las movilizaciones en la calle contra la posición del Gobierno Aznar respecto al conflicto bélico.

No tanto porque en aquellas manifestaciones, como en la posterior del Primero de Mayo, reaparecieran de pronto banderas republicanas, como a veces se ha insinuado, sino por la tensión que le causaba contemplar la fractura entre gobernantes y gobernados sin poder manifestar públicamente la posición de la Corona, mientras ciertos sectores se lo exigían.

Esas personas allegadas a la Familia Real explican que, alejado el foco de la tensión que desencadenó las movilizaciones ciudadanas de marzo y abril, un segundo motivo de inquietud en el Palacio de la Zarzuela es un cierto rebrote de los nacionalismos, expresado en los tres proyectos que otros tantos partidos políticos guardan en la recámara política para modificar la legalidad vigente en función de sus respectivas aspiraciones. La información elaborada en Zarzuela entiende que los dos de Cataluña (el de CiU y el del PSC) son “de acomodación constitucional”, mientras que el del País Vasco (el del PNV, más conocido como `Plan Ibarretxe´) es “rupturista”.

Una tercera preocupación prioritaria del Rey es la que viene a resumir el quehacer de la nueva etapa atribuido al equipo que, encabezado por Alberto Aza, ha sustituido en Zarzuela a Rafael Almansa, Ortega Spottorno y Asunción Valdés. Primero, casar al Príncipe. Y segundo, asegurar un heredero directo para la Corona de España.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:18 PM
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Translation please... :P
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Old 05-22-2003, 08:39 AM
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The article talks about the kings current headaches: The War on Iraq, and the Anzar Government, Felipe not married yet, and the fact that Felipe has yet to provide an heir...

It only mentions however the Prince of Astrius and his not being married and unable to provide an heir at this moment in time, in ONE SENTANCE, it is ONLY THE LAST SENTANCE...... :P

The entire article itself, has to talk about the current government issues, and the Prime Minister......

I hope that this helps.

If you have any more questions just post them....

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If the king and queen allowed Felipe to chose a bride that is not a royal or aristocrat then maybe he will get married. Although him being 35 and STILL sowing his wild oats, I don't think anything short of a kick in the pants would straighten him out.

He has access to all these girls who may be falling over themselves to get to him, why can't he just chose a nice one who he is friends with. I mean don't do a Frederick and pick the first one that is easy (sorry to fans of Mary), but really these models that he is dating and the spoiled little rich girls are just too much lately.

Why couldn't he find a sweet little nurse when Jamie was in the hospital? She would probably have spoiled him rotten and treated him so sweet and ... oh sorry that would have been me. LOL No seriously he needs to find someone who actually has a job and can realte to the people of Spain.
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Old 05-23-2003, 10:16 PM
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If the king and queen allowed Felipe to chose a bride that is not a royal or aristocrat then maybe he will get married. Although him being 35 and STILL sowing his wild oats, I don't think anything short of a kick in the pants would straighten him out.

He has access to all these girls who may be falling over themselves to get to him, why can't he just chose a nice one who he is friends with. I mean don't do a Frederick and pick the first one that is easy (sorry to fans of Mary), but really these models that he is dating and the spoiled little rich girls are just too much lately.

Why couldn't he find a sweet little nurse when Jamie was in the hospital? She would probably have spoiled him rotten and treated him so sweet and ... oh sorry that would have been me. LOL No seriously he needs to find someone who actually has a job and can realte to the people of Spain.
Cathy G

I agree with you completely on the comment about allowing him to marry someone whom he loves whether they are royal, aristocrat, noble or commoner.

With regards to the fact that he needs to settle down and stop sowing his wild oats. I disagree. I think that if and when he finds someone genuine (unlike Mary Donaldson) whom loves Felipe for Felipe and not HRH the Prince of Asturias and Spain. (hope you understand what I am getting at) whom he loves and is in love with then I think he would be happy to get married. I would rather have him single and happy than married and unhappy and that includes being with the wrong person for any reason.

I mean men can go on fathering vhildren into their 70's agewise and I do not agree with rumours that if and when Felipe has married and has issue then he will abdicate in favour of him. I think Juan Carlos will reign until he dies.

What qualities do you consider suitable for a future Queen of Spain with regards to education, personality, job, etc, etc, etc?
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Old 05-23-2003, 10:39 PM
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I agree with what has been said here. King Juan Carlos may have a bit of headache from constantly wondering when his son will settle down. However, I think that Felipe has the truly big headache, IMO. It must be so frustrating to have to live up to so many expectations and to have to choose someone that everyone else will consider to be suitable even if she may not be who you really want....more headaches..and if he chooses a woman that he will never truly be happy with poor Flip will have even more headaches. :( :(
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Originally posted by rattie21+May 23rd, 2003 - 9:16 pm--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rattie21 @ May 23rd, 2003 - 9:16 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--cathy g@May 23rd, 2003 - 5:49 pm
If the king and queen allowed Felipe to chose a bride that is not a royal or aristocrat then maybe he will get married.&nbsp; Although him being 35 and STILL sowing his wild oats, I don&#39;t think anything short of a kick in the pants would straighten him out.

He has access to all these girls who may be falling over themselves to get to him,&nbsp; why can&#39;t he just chose a nice one who he is friends with.&nbsp; I mean don&#39;t do a Frederick and pick the first one that is easy (sorry to fans of Mary), but really these models that he is dating and the spoiled little rich girls are just too much lately.

Why couldn&#39;t he find a sweet little nurse when Jamie was in the hospital?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; She would probably have spoiled him rotten and treated him so sweet and ... oh sorry that would have been me.&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; No seriously he needs to find someone who actually has a job and can realte to the people of Spain.
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I agree with you completely on the comment about allowing him to marry someone whom he loves whether they are royal, aristocrat, noble or commoner.

With regards to the fact that he needs to settle down and stop sowing his wild oats. I disagree. I think that if and when he finds someone genuine (unlike Mary Donaldson) whom loves Felipe for Felipe and not HRH the Prince of Asturias and Spain. (hope you understand what I am getting at) whom he loves and is in love with then I think he would be happy to get married. I would rather have him single and happy than married and unhappy and that includes being with the wrong person for any reason.

I mean men can go on fathering vhildren into their 70&#39;s agewise and I do not agree with rumours that if and when Felipe has married and has issue then he will abdicate in favour of him. I think Juan Carlos will reign until he dies.

What qualities do you consider suitable for a future Queen of Spain with regards to education, personality, job, etc, etc, etc? [/b][/quote]
I was talking about Juan Carlos abdicating in favour of Felipe
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HI. Yes Rattie I know what you were getting at and I would love to see him happy with whomever he marries as long as she truly loves him and isn&#39;t a gold digger.

I also believe that he is truly happy with himself (his situation/being single,etc.) now. I, like almost everyone else, would love to see him with someone he is madly in love with and seeing his adorable little children.

I also doubt that JC would step down for his son. He seems like the person, in my opinion at least, please do get angry, that he like to be in control and if he abdicates, he will not have the power like he does now.

Does anyone really know if he does have power or is just a figure head?
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Sorry Rattie I forgot to include the qualities that I wanted in the future Queen of Spain.
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Pressed the wrong button before.

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I swear I am not doing this to be more post.

1. Sincere about her role as the future queen.

2. Willing to be interest, if not already, in all that her husband does. (I guess this is kind of moot because he would have found this out before they had gotten married.)

3. Someone who is not willing to upstage Felipe on events/walkabouts like Princess Diana did.

4. Someone who has actually had a life and is able to feel what the people of Spain are feeling about the economy, way of life, etc.

I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say here.

I just don&#39;t want a spoiled little brat being out next queen and who will eventually go into a hissy fit when things don&#39;t go her way. The thorne was re-established in the 1970&#39;s and is really to weak, in my opinion, to withstand someone like that.
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Hello Cathy G,
I am trying to understand what you are saying about the standards for the next queen and I am still a bit confused. And the biggest question asked here, which I will break down clearly later, is whether the health of the marriage that felipe will enter is above or second to felipe position as heir to the throne.
First I would like to express my understanding that every royal must tread lightly so as not to upset the political system in which they live. But now back to the standards, I agree that your first standard should be on the list as well as the 4th.
However I am confused as to what you mean by the 2nd standard. Is this next queen not to have interests of her own, can she not hve ideas that disagree with felipe. And with the 3rd standard, what if this next queen can&#39;t help the amount of attention that she recieves? And is it really best for her to become a timid being simply obediantly following felipe as his servant. That to me is not a marriage, not a healthy one. Thus leading me back to my main question, should the welfare of the marriage be second or above the position?
I feel that the welfare of the marriage should be above for then the position that felipe holds benifits from his happiness and calmness in his life. In a marriage the partners should be equal, without question. I am not saying that the next consort queen should conduct herself in a manner that implies that she is, in her royal position, equal to the king. But when felipe walk through those doors that belong to his home. He is not King/master but husband/father. I hope I have explained my ideas clearly and if I have interpreted your message incorrectly, please correct me. Thank you for your attention. Have a good day. :flower:
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Old 05-24-2003, 10:00 PM
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Hi Cathy,

You said in point

3. Someone who is not willing to upstage Felipe on events/walkabouts like Princess Diana did.


I don&#39;t understand how you could require that of any woman unless you change them completely. If a woman is beautiful and stylish, and her husband is duddy, she will upstage him, whether she wants to or not. Do you think Princess Diana should have worn long gray burkas instead?

Moreover, Prince Filipe doesn&#39;t look like the kind of prince who any woman will be able to upstage, or at least, not by much. :flower:
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Old 05-25-2003, 09:35 AM
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I did not mean fto say that Diana should have been covered from head to toe but simply that she should have handled the press differently.

With regard to Felipe, the man is damn hot and, yes, it would be hard for his wife to upstage him but she must also handle the press in such a way as to not manipulate them.


FElipe&#39;s wife should love him wholeheartedly and yes should have her own interests and be interested in what her husband does. I worded my initial response wrong. She should also try to include her husband in her interests.
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Hi Cathy and Thissal,

By the time Diana started actually "manipulating the press," her marriage to Prince Charles was basically over. There is a huge difference between going to the press and saying this or that and causing scandals, versus maintaining popular support because of fashion sense or charity work, etc (such as Queen Rania does in Jordan).

Hopefully when Prince Felipe marries it will be for good. And I&#39;m sure he&#39;s wife is going to be popular and probably *might* upstage him at times, but if they have a healthy marriage, I highly doubt that the "manipulation of the press" thing will be much of an issue. :flower:
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Hi Jalmey,

Yes there is a big difference between popular support by the media for legitimate reasons and manipulating the media during a nasty marriage/divorce.

I saw this documentary on Diana where it said Charles resented the attention she received from the media almost from the start, because it was more than what he was getting. He should have been proud of her instead.

I also remember reading that Diana should not have worn anything more stylish than what the Queen wore. That would not have been fair -- to Diana or to the public or the polishing that the British monarchy needed.
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The Queen may be many things, but as she got older a woman clothed in the height of fashion was not one of them.
I remember reading she dresses the way she does because she doesn&#39;t want to necessarily dress better then the expectations of her subjects, or because her subjects have this expectation of her that she wants to follow.
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Hi Jalmey,

Yes there is a big difference between popular support by the media for legitimate reasons and manipulating the media during a nasty marriage/divorce.

I saw this documentary on Diana where it said Charles resented the attention she received from the media almost from the start, because it was more than what he was getting.*&nbsp; He should have been proud of her instead.*&nbsp;

I also remember reading that Diana should not have worn anything more stylish than what the Queen wore.* That would not have been fair -- to Diana or to the public or the polishing that the British monarchy needed.
Hi Thissal,

I find that very sad that Charles was jealous of his own *wife*. That speaks wonders about his personality to me. Fortunately, it seems that Felipe is nowhere near following Charles&#39; footsteps. In my opinion, I see the future Crown Princess of Spain on the arm of a man that would be completely smitten and supportive of her. I think Felipe, having observed so many of his friends and sisters, as well as being in several long-term relationships himself, would know what it takes to make a marriage work.

But, I have a question. At 35, right now, what age do you think Felipe&#39;s bride should be? I know no one can pinpoint an exact number and say, "Oh, I think she should be exactely such and such old," and, in addition, age is only a number and he should marry whoever he&#39;s in love with, but:

Do you think it would be best if Felipe married someone who has experienced life as much as he has? Is an ideal age for a bride for him late 20&#39;s, early 30&#39;s.

Or would a younger bride suit his needs more (ala Diana to Charles, although we all know how that turned out :( ). Would a girl in her early-to-mid 20&#39;s be too "young" for Felipe?

I&#39;m asking because, personally, I know if I attempted to date a guy in their 30&#39;s, I would be completely over my head, even though I consider myself mature for my age. I think, when there is a large age difference between people, it becomes harder to relate. However, I do think if the "right women" comes along, however old she is won&#39;t really matter at all. What do you guys think?
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Hi Jalmey. How are you? I think that Felipe should marry someone who is closer to his age i.e. - 26-33 maybe.

You don&#39;t want her to be too young. Like the Diana he plays table tennis with seems to young for him. But someone who is the age listed above or even like Isabel Sartorius a few years older than him would be best.

Alexander is a few years older that Joachim. I also believe that looking at pictures of him with Isabel that he truly loved her and could relate to someone who is older than he is. He seems mature enough to deal with an older woman.

This is just my opinion. :flower:
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Hi Cathy&#33;

I have to agree with you. When I was asking the question, I had already sided with the older age bracket.

I&#39;m not trying to say someone younger would be a bad choice for the Prince, seeing how I fall into this bracket. All I&#39;m saying that sometimes its better to get some life experience in you before you settle down, especially with the Prince of Spain&#33; I think it would probably benefit the future Princess if she did have some life experience, if she possibly worked, had previous relationships, lived on her own, etc, because that would be prepare her for a role in the monarchy.

An additional question I would like to pose:

How would Spain handle a divorce in the Spanish royal family (hopefully such a thing will never happen, but lets hypothize.) Spain is very conservative...could this be the reason Felipe is waiting; he doesn&#39;t want to make a mistake?
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