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Old 01-20-2004, 07:22 PM
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You know what, we ALL have skeletons in our closets and I'm sure she wasn't sitting around waiting for Felipe her whole life. She was living her life the way she's saw fit.
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Old 01-20-2004, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by ennyllorac@Jan 20th, 2004 - 7:05 pm
I think people need to stop looking at royals as deities. Letizia is a mere mortal as is Felipe. And we have all done things in our past that we are not proud of. Geez.... let;s give the poor woman a break.
Yes, of course. I agree. However, will the media and Spanish public opinion give her a break? That remains to be seen. There is a propensity to go 'digging' these days.

From what I know, she is very popular with the average Spaniard, no?

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Old 01-20-2004, 09:26 PM
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My mother just came back from Madrid and she says Letizia is quite popular.
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Sheba@Jan 20th, 2004 - 5:16 pm
I vote yes, I believe it's Letizia in the painting, baring all, welll most of it.  I expect more things like this to be coming out about her.

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You seem to have a strong disliking for Letizia Ortiz; I based this assumption on this and other posts you have made. What has she done? Do you know her personally? Those pictures were an artist's imagination, and only that. What would the world say and find out about you if you were the fiancee of the Crown Prince of Spain?
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Old 01-21-2004, 06:55 AM
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Hello Blue and all,

I will confess that if I were Felipe's fiancee, or royal fiancee in general, my past would cause controversy. There would be threads pages upon pages long, indignation, protests in the streets, etc, lol. I would be run right out of Spain I'm sure.

I don't like her, you do, so lets just wait and see what happens next. Just as I don't know her personally, I've got the feeling other posters don't either. Therefore, the Letizia is perfect theory is just as unrealistic as the Letizia is bad theory.

I still believe Letizia posed for the topless painting. :P

Sheba B)
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:31 PM
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" You know what, we ALL have skeletons in our closets "

Just so you all know ahead of time. That I, future prince of Sweden, have never posed topless for any painting, drawing or photo. So there you go. You could say "Ahh, the new prince. I remember him back when he was at LTR...."
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:39 PM
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Dennism, we expect a first hand report (and exclusive behind the scenes photos) when you marry your princess!

As for the Letizia contraversy, we don't know her, she's done some things that have set off royal protocol radars that some posters have. But, she's human, she's coming from an environment where she had to speak up to be heard. Felipe looks patient, so, a few rough spots aren't going to cause too much trouble, long term. I bet Letizia will turn out to be a wonderful Princess. She's got the perfect example living nearby (The Queen). Letizia would be a fool if she doesn't ask her mother in law to be for any help.
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:49 PM
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"She's got the perfect example living nearby (The Queen). Letizia would be a fool if she doesn't ask her mother in law to be for any help."

Okay. I can see that. Despite my various problems with Sofia in the past, I contend that fewer are more regal(by birth certainly) and she has been a pretty good royal. Duty and all. Married, apparently, to a cad. She's stuck by with her children.

" Dennism, we expect a first hand report (and exclusive behind the scenes photos) when you marry your princess!"

No problem. I'll make a note of that. Send photos to LTR.
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:57 PM
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Dennism- this is OT, but what problems did you have with the queen? perhaps you could pm me, or put them in a thread about HM? (Or if they're already there, direct me to where to look! :) )
Thanks.
And thank you in advance for the photos :)
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:06 PM
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Photos and a report. No problem. With permission from the princess, of course.
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:08 PM
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Oops, forgot about her.. Maybe you should ask the King for permission as well, just to be on the safe side?
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:16 PM
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Yes, the king. I will. I already have glowing words for the queen. Must think of some for the king...
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:51 PM
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Does anyone know more about tension in Zarzuela, about this new book or about taking Letizia from public life because of her past and scandals. The talks are getting hot in Spain. But no statement from Zarzuela.





¿NUEVA LADY DI?

Psicosis en Zarzuela: ocultar a Letizia Ortiz de las cámaras

Las primeras críticas a Letizia Ortiz no han gustado en la Casa Real. Una de las primeras medidas ha consistido en retirar a la prometida de Don Felipe de la escena pública.

19 de enero. Lo adelantábamos recientemente en Elsemanaldigital.com tras las críticas lanzadas por Jaime Peñafiel y las opiniones de Pepe Infante en su entrevista de Época y su ¿Reinará Felipe VI?.

En realidad los sudores fríos comenzaron en Zarzuela con la publicación de Tú serás mi reina, de Paloma García Pelayo y Ángela Portero. El libro contaba los intríngulis de la relación entre Don Felipe y Letizia Ortiz en un tono muy respetuoso, aunque sin excluir algunos puntos conflictivos. Por ejemplo, el ultimátum del Príncipe a su padre para casarse con Letizia, la oposición inicial de los Reyes al matrimonio y la Operación Silenzio para llevar a cabo una política de hechos consumados. Es decir, impedir un "pim pam pum" mediático en un noviazgo conocido que hubiese podido echar por tierra la relación. Dicho de otro modo: cuando se dio a conocer la decisión de Don Felipe todo estaba hecho.

A esto se sumaron ciertos comentarios sobre Letizia Ortiz y las comparaciones con anteriores relaciones del Príncipe, como Eva Sannum y, especialmente, Isabel Sartorius. Los tiros se dirigían hacia la condición de divorciada de la futura reina.

Luego llegó el asunto del centro comercial y los escoltas que desnudaron al fotógrafo. Una estupenda relación con la prensa, forjada durante años por el gabinete de La Zarzuela, estuvo a punto de venirse abajo en apenas un día por la actitud de los guardaespaldas del Príncipe. Y conste, que, como se oyó entonces en el mundillo periodístico, no fue a más por respeto a Don Juan Carlos y Doña Sofía.

No es de extrañar, por tanto, que la Casa Real haya decidido apartar de la circulación, durante algún tiempo, a Letizia Ortiz más allá de los actos oficiales. Algunos temen que se convierta en la Lady Di española y otros se asustan ante el riesgo de que acabe eclipsando a personajes de mayor rango de la Familia Real.

La historia no acaba aquí, porque la psicosis llega a tal extremo que se intenta evitar que los medios capten imágenes de la prometida. Así lo pudo comprobar un equipo de Telecinco destacado a una finca de Toledo a la que debía acudir la pareja. Al intentar grabarlos, los escoltas les rodearon para impedirles tomar imágenes. Más tarde, cuando los reporteros se acercaron a un pueblo cercano a tomar un café, fueron seguidos. E incluso una vez que tiraron la toalla y regresaron a Madrid, durante un largo tramo fueron seguidos por un coche de los servicios de seguridad reales
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Old 01-21-2004, 03:00 PM
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A quick translation from Babelfish(shakes head)

The first critics to Letizia Ortiz have not pleased in the Real House. One of the first measures has consisted of retiring the fiance'e of Don Felipe of the public scene.

19 of January. We recently advanced it in Elsemanaldigital.com after the critics sent by Jaime Peñafiel and the opinions of Pepe Infant in its interview of Time and its Reinara' Felipe I SAW.

In fact the cold sweats began in Zarzuela with the publication of You you will be my queen, of Dove Garci'a Pelayo and Ángela Doorman. The book counted intríngulis of the relation between Don Felipe and Letizia Ortiz in a very respectful tone, although without excluding some conflicting points. For example, the ultimátum of the Prince to its father to marry with Letizia, the initial opposition of the Kings to the marriage and the Silenzio Operation to carry out a policy of completed facts. That is to say, to prevent "pim pam mediatic pum" in a well-known engagement that had been able to ruin the relation. Said otherwise: when one occurred to know the decision Don Felipe everything was done.

To this certain commentaries were added on Letizia Ortiz and the comparisons with previous relations of the Prince, like Eva Sannum and, specially, Isabel Sartorius. The shots went towards the condition of divorced of the future queen.

Soon it arrived the subject from the commercial center and the escorts that undressed the photographer. A wonderful relation with the press, forged during years by the cabinet of the Zarzuela, was on the verge of coming down in hardly a day by the attitude of the bodyguards of the Prince. And it consists, that, as it were heard then in the journalistic world, did not go more to by respect to Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía.

It is not to be strange, therefore, that the Real House has decided to separate from the circulation, during some time, to Letizia Ortiz beyond the official acts. Some fear that it becomes the Spanish Lady Di and others are scared before the risk of which ends up eclipse the persons of greater rank of the Royal Family. :o

History does not finish here, because the psychosis arrives so at extreme that it is tried to avoid that the means catch images of the fiance'e. Thus it it could verify an equipment of outstanding Telecinco to a property of Toledo to whom the pair had to go. When trying to record them, the escorts surrounded to them to prevent them to take images. Later, when the reporters approached a near town to take a coffee, they were followed. And even once they threw the towel and they returned to Madrid, during a long section they were followed by a car of the real services of security

Well, the gist is there.
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:19 AM
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Dennis- I look forward to seeing you at royal gatherings, as I will be the Queen of England one day (William not Charles!!&#33! We'll have a grand ol' time sitting back, remembering the good ol' days at LTR!!!

As for Letizia I remember her breifly from when I went to Spain a few years back, but I wasn't exactly there to watch the news...it seems to me that people judge based on the skewed visions of the media without full stories...I'm guilty at times as well, but I'm trying, and as I rather like the looks of Letizia from the Engagement Photos I fully intend on watching what happens!
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Old 02-05-2004, 09:53 PM
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A waxwork of Letizia Ortiz is inaugurated into the Wax Museum on February 5, 2004 in Madrid, Spain.

http://delivery.gettyimages.com/comp/29312...D3C614DE2A4EC48

http://delivery.gettyimages.com/comp/29312...4133ECAC86AB2C1

http://delivery.gettyimages.com/comp/29312...6632914E9F53D8F

More photos here


The one of Felipe is interesting.
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Old 02-05-2004, 10:26 PM
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Does anyone else think that the wax figures of Felipe and Letizia look kind of... well, creepy?
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Old 02-05-2004, 10:32 PM
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I generally think that most Wax figures do.
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A really nice picture of Letizia while on her skiing holiday from Imagine Scandinavia that I absolutely could not resist.

Copyright Scandinavia, Baqueira, Spanien: Letizia Ortiz and Prince Felipe of Spain on ski in Baqueira, Spain this weekend.
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A really nice picture of Letizia while on her skiing holiday from Imagine Scandinavia that I absolutely could not resist.

Copyright Scandinavia, Baqueira, Spanien: Letizia Ortiz and Prince Felipe of Spain on ski in Baqueira, Spain this weekend.
There were a number of lovely photos pf Letizia from their ski weekend. I admit that I have become an uninhibited fan. I think she and they together are wonderful.
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