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Old 04-16-2012, 06:48 AM
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Humm, bad PR everywhere. On a personal note, I'm not in favor of elephant shooting, but that's my own personal opinion.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:31 AM
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According to reports in finnish and other press, the spaniards are very angry, because the king's trip cost almost twice as much as an average spaniard gets as his/hers annual salary.
The unemployment rate in Spain was in February 23,6 %, and for young people (under 25 years) 50 %. I can understand their anger.
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In all those years back, either the media turned a blind eye out of respect or the political / social climate wasnt responding to such a thing.
You are correct. Here in America, everyone knew that JFK and Jackie each had many lovers during their lives in the White House, but since they were the media sweet hearts, all looked the other way. Same with Bill Clinton until the "blue dress" was proof of his playing in the Oval Office. Movie stars had open adulterous relationships [Tracey & Hepburn] and the media never printed a nasty word. It was a generous time. Today, most people like to read the dirt and feel free to comment and "pull apart" others lives. It is their hobby to find fault. We as a society will never go back to looking the other way. In a way, it is proper that facts are brought to light, especially when the public is footing the bill, when they are immoral or just plain disgusting [like the King and his hunting]. But, we now are a very jealous society and relish making comments about people that have so much more that we do. Whether it be social standing, wealth and certainly looks. People don't like the fact that others have more than they do. Silly.

One of the reasons that countries can't get good moral politicians to run their countries as anyone with common sense and brains don't want to be placing their family under this microscope. Who knows where it will all end. But the King deserves everything now that he gets, and I still truly feel for his wife and their grandchildren who seem to be the innocents in all this.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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I think so for all hunters, but especially royals. Their attitudes tend to be arrogant to others and to those animals they hunt for pure pleasure. Royal blood does NOT exist and royal titles only exist on paper
Hmmm, how well does this view go down in your own country? Hunting with high powered rifles seems quite popular in the United States.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:00 PM
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According to reports in finnish and other press, the spaniards are very angry, because the king's trip cost twice as much as an average spaniard gets as his/hers annual salary.
Thats the point. If Spain was a wealthy country, people may have raised an eyebrow about the monarch hunting elephants what is questionable from an ethical point of view. It would never have become public knowledge, anyway. But doing so in such hard times with the public suffering, it is outrageous since Spaniards seem to be represented by a person who is out of touch with reality and, instead of leading by example, covers up his luxury life, like not at all practising what he has been preaching eg at Christmas when he told the public that they have to make sacrifices for the sake of the nation.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:11 PM
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Spain's king, WWF patron, slammed for hunting
Spanish King Went Elephant Hunting Amid Crisis
Austerity, what's that? King Juan Carlos slammed for £27,000 elephant hunting trip as his country drowns in debt
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The King of Spain has come under fire for hunting elephants in Botswana as his country is being sucked back into the eurozone's financial crisis and one in two youngsters are jobless. Spanish media have slammed Juan Carlos for the reported £27,000 cost of the trip - and have published angry editorials alongside pictures of a previous 'Big Game' hunting expedition. They are also angry at a 'lack of transparency' from the Royal Household, three months after it promised to disclose its income following a corruption probe linked to his son-in-law.
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Spanish people can't have bullfights anymore, because it is considered animal cruelty, but the king can sneak around and secretly kill elephants?

I'm quite shocked about this, it seems wrong on so many levels.
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The situation is far more embarrassing than I thought. King Juan-Carlos' actions could poorly reflect on the whole institution. It is the multi-level PR nightmare.
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This situation is beyond embarrassing; it's very destructive for the entire institution as for the family. What a shame.
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King of Spain faces calls to abdicate after elephant hunt - Telegraph
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How seriously should we take these calls. ?

Also, is JC the type of person who would give in to pressure and abdicate. ?
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I'm still trying to find a way to put the phrase "The elephant in the room" in here.

From the above links I figure that Juan Carlos went on a (animal) killing spree and had his girlfriend with him. That is bad, but on the other hand - he personally restored and saved democracy in Spain, we should not forget that.
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:59 PM
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How seriously should we take these calls. ?

Also, is JC the type of person who would give in to pressure and abdicate. ?
We'll see after The King gets out of hospital,he's really made a major blunder on several fronts.
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Hmmm, how well does this view go down in your own country? Hunting with high powered rifles seems quite popular in the United States.
I am responsible for my opinion only, and do not agree and have a problem with killing animals for the sport of it. It does help keep wild game populations in check though.
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I'm still trying to find a way to put the phrase "The elephant in the room" in here.

From the above links I figure that Juan Carlos went on a (animal) killing spree and had his girlfriend with him. That is bad, but on the other hand - he personally restored and saved democracy in Spain, we should not forget that.
I wonder if anyone in the hospital has a 'nelly the elephant' phone ringtone
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I am responsible for my opinion only, and do not agree and have a problem with killing animals for the sport of it. It does help keep wild game populations in check though.
I agree. Killing of animals just for the sport is tacky while the killing of animals to put those animals [deer, rabbit, etc.] on the family table for your family's health is another story.
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This situation is beyond embarrassing; it's very destructive for the entire institution as for the family. What a shame.
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The situation is far more embarrassing than I thought. King Juan-Carlos' actions could poorly reflect on the whole institution. It is the multi-level PR nightmare.
I completely agree to both of you. Multi-level PR nightmare is the right expression -- he´s behaving like one of these colonalisation kings, only with the "little" difference to 100 years ago, that the public has changed, their thinking - and the media.
I will watch carefully, what will be his next steps (and not the ones on crutches ) to regain trust.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130461/Austerity-whats-Spanish-King-Juan-Carlos-slammed-27-000-elephant-hunting-trip-countrys-economy-teeters-brink.html?ITO=1490
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2112130,00.html

I wonder what kind of public reaction he gets once he is back working or if there is some kind of statement from casa real. I doubt it though. I doubt he gets booed or something or some active movement to follow up on this. At some point there will be business as usual.

Spaniards know that he has always been this way, only this time it became public, unintentionally. Over decades there has been a pact between politics, media & the King in order to consolidate democracy and the key was the monarchy, with the King becoming almost untouchable. Overall I'd say he still is, with regard to the abdication topic. It will never happen.

Despite the controversy, JC's life story explains why he does "in private" what he wants to do - politically correct or not. Over decades he had to serve a purpose, was a pawn, had to do what other people told him and, as a consequence, was forced to become an actor in his private (to please Franco) & professional life.
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