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03-25-2006, 08:23 PM
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Ah ha! But doesn't the whole notion of "Gloire de France" rest on the brilliance of the Court of Louis XIV, and then the (short-lived) Imperial ambitions and achievements of Napoleon I? Take away those two legacies and the "gloire" becomes rather threadbare.
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Touché! 
And don't forget that the modern Parisian urban design was planned during Napoleon III. While the Bourbons decided to escape Paris for the suburbs it was Napoleon III that 'restored' it dignity as a glorious capital. Well, capital of sins in the 19th century but still the most exciting place to be when compared to the other more somber capitals cities around.
Kidding aside, I just wanted to know more about those interesting 2007 elections where two rival royal and imperial French dynasties enter the political arena. I found this site on Kings and Presidents of France:
http://www.roi-president.com/
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04-07-2006, 05:04 AM
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No. All that remains from Louis XIV is slavery in colonies, wars against the whole Europa, absolute monarch anti-democratic, etc, etc... All that remains from Napoleon is "he was an Hitler before Hitler", slavery in Antillas, wars, absolutism. Nothing positive can be praised in the French past, unlike you want to be treated of "defensor of slavery, antidemocratic, tyran, etc, etc...". Nothing.
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The first declaration of human rights was French. Napoleon created the Code Civil, which is still the basis of many European codice of civil rights and laws. He gave certain rights of inheritance and control of their own money to women, which enabled them to ask for divorce when they were mistreated. He enforced these liberal French laws on the countries he conquered and changed not only France from a absolutistic to a bit more liberal state.
France invested heavily in scientific research, many universities offered safe harbours to scientists who were prosecuted by the state or the church (inquisition) in their own home countries. I'm definately not a fan of french culture but it isn't true that ther eis nothing positive to be found.
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06-06-2006, 10:05 AM
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So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!
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06-06-2006, 11:44 AM
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So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!
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The current Bonaparte dynasts are descended from Napoleon's brother Jerome.
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06-06-2006, 03:30 PM
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Ah! That makes more sense! I thought Napoleon's son had no children...
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06-12-2006, 12:44 PM
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Empress Eugenie
Does anyone know how many kids Empress Eugenie had? Some websites I go to on the internet say that she only had one son and then others talk about Eugenie and her children. Who were her other children?
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06-15-2006, 07:13 PM
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Why Louis Bonaparte has quarrelled with son Charles-Napoleon before death? Why they had disagreements? In what it was shown?
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06-16-2006, 04:18 AM
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Why Louis Bonaparte has quarrelled with son Charles-Napoleon before death? Why they had disagreements? In what it was shown?
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Louis Napoléon (the family's name is now Napoléon) had created his grandson Jean-Christophe Head of the family when he (Louis) would be died, after Charles and Beatrice's divorce, but Charles never accepted this. BTW, Jean-Christophe is a rather discret (and very handsome) guy.
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06-16-2006, 05:50 AM
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The father has not forgiven to the son of divorce with its wife?
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06-27-2006, 06:55 AM
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The father has not forgiven to the son of divorce with its wife?
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It seems so...
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06-30-2006, 03:18 AM
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Jean-Christophe is a rather discret
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Excuse me, but I can not understand meaning of word "discret".
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06-30-2006, 03:56 AM
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Excuse me, but I can not understand meaning of word "discret".
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Well, he's not seen in many events, he's not at the headlines of the papers. In fact, I'm only hearing about him in Point de Vue. I suppose he must be studying (he's 20).
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07-02-2006, 05:31 AM
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Caroline Bonaparte has the friend or she is married?
The younger brother of Charles Bonaparte Jerome Bonaparte presently is single or he has the girlfriend?
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07-02-2006, 08:01 AM
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Caroline Bonaparte has the friend or she is married?
The younger brother of Charles Bonaparte Jerome Bonaparte presently is single or he has the girlfriend?
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As much as we know, they are still single.
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07-03-2006, 06:59 PM
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Than now is engaged Caroline Bonaparte? What character she has? Excuse me, please, but I have a question. Caroline Bonaparte it is valid not so beautiful or it simply unsuccessfully looks in photos? What does she do in the maximum French aristocratic society if to judge on photos from a site www.capetiens.com?
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07-08-2006, 04:11 PM
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Hi, i was wondering, you guys talk so much about bonapartes vs bourbons, besides wishing for the restoration of Imperial France how do i know that i am a bonapartist.
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07-10-2006, 10:09 AM
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I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.
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Why would you want to consider restoring the illegitimate descendants of the Emperor when there is a legitimate branch of the Bonaparte family springing from Jerome?
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07-10-2006, 10:23 PM
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Why would you want to consider restoring the illegitimate descendants of the Emperor when there is a legitimate branch of the Bonaparte family springing from Jerome?
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Because the bonapartist movement already experienced the failure of one of the First Emperor´s brothers descendants,Napoleon III, besides is a cuestion of marketing, what do you think sells better for people who most probably believe that the House of Bonaparte is nothing more than oportunists and that Republicanism should stay as the ruling tendency in France.
I am not saying that Bonapartism should discard the First Emperor's brothers descendants, just that, we must remind is not the Emperor's direct descendants.
According to the Imperial Succesion Act, the emperor had specify that he didnt want to consider Jerome for the Succesion, all that i am saying is that we must realize that before jumping into conclussions of possible outcomes in the future. It would very different if we talk about direct descendants wether they re legititmal or contrary
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07-11-2006, 03:26 AM
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... It would very different if we talk about direct descendants wether they re legititmal or contrary
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And the 'illegimate' descendants who could be classed as Pretenders or claimants to a Bonaparte Restoration are...?
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07-11-2006, 06:26 PM
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Well we know for sure that during his time as Emperor of France, Napoleon held an affair with the polish Comtesse Marie Waleska and there was a son, but that s not the point, i dont want to argue about direct or indirect descendants, all that i am saying is that the people of France see Napoleon as a Warrior, a Hero, probably the Greatest generals of history; i dont think that the see his brothers and sisters like that. I might be wrong of course, but all what you have to do is to look at the rule of Napoleon III, i don t think France sees him just like they see Napoleon I
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