Princess Alexandra Current Events 5: August 2005 - September 2005

[ap3]

I like the dress, the design is so bold and graphic that I think if it is an old dress it is still stylish, retro rather than out of date.

Also, very nice hair, makeup and earrings.

And she looks great! It's hard to believe she's in her 40s and had 2 kids!

Oh and one more thing, on her parents still living with Joachim: when I said he couldn't have done anything so bad if they are still living with him, I certainly didn't mean to imply (or believe) that she had been the one at fault. The Queen's giving Alex her own title clearly shows that the Queen still likes and respects her regardless of her marital status with Joachim.

As a previous poster said, they probably betrayed each other. Whether it was actual infidelity, bad behavior or merely "allowing" themselves to become distant from each other.

[Jenilynn]

Originally Posted by norwegianne

Mr. and Mrs. Manley has stated to newspapers that they continue to live in Schackenborg, because they have a great many friends in Møgeltønder (the name of the town next to Schackenborg.) They also said that they have no disagreement with Joachim. Furthermore, they don't exactly live in the same house as him, as they live in a flat at the old chauffeur's house.

Had either party behaved abominably before/during the divorce, I very much doubt that either set of parents would have acted the way they did. I doubt Mr. and Mrs. Manley would have stayed at Schackenborg, and I doubt Queen Margrethe and Prince Henrik would have let Alexandra stay at Amalienborg, even if it is a fairly large place.

We don't know what caused the divorce. Joachim hasn't spoken about it, and neither has Alexandra. To join the media in their harmful speculations certainly won't help their children or the situation. Joachim or Alexandra may choose to embellish on the situation when their lives are more ordened, in an official biography, or something like that. (I think Joachim's about due for one, as Alexandra's got at least two...)

A few days ago Martin Jørgensen was reported to have been seeing the princess for two years, later they found an article with old girlfriends he had had this past year...

What the media seems to conveniently forget is that it is possible for men and women to be just friends/aquaintances. Sometimes this remains platonic, and sometimes it blossoms into more.

I have never posted on this board before, but I just have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. As far as I am aware, Alexandra has always behaved impeccably; and as to whether she should have waited longer after her divorce was final before dating or not, she is now legally single and free to date whomever she pleases. One of my pet peeves has always been people who use the excuse of separation to start seeing other people (IMHO, you're not divorced until you're divorced!) , and the plain and simple fact is that no one here really knows anything about the private lives of these two people.

[Lisele]

Originally Posted by Isabel

Concerning Alexandra and Joachim....we don't know what happened in this marriage. We cannot say that Alex was unfaithful or that Joachim was unfaithful. The particulars of the separation and divorce were never given to us. All of this print media can only speculate. They have no solid proof of what happened inside of this marriage. Whether they simply grew tired of each other and decided to move on and remain friends and civil for their children is still a puzzle to us. Frankly, I really don't care about what happened at this point. This divorce has been extremely aimacable and respectful so I see no point in thinking the worse of either parties. The media has to do this because they need to sell papers and magazines. I don't.

Of course, the fact that Alex is now dating someone gives them something to talk about. Not only is she dating again, but she is dating a man much younger than she and well we all know the old double standard. A good rag can probably get two weeks worth of rubbish out of this.

I agree that if Joachim was so awful to Alex that there is no way that her parents would remain on the grounds at Shackenborg. So, clearly that most likely was not the case for their divorce. However, that doesn't meant that Alex was unfaithful are caused the break up either. I think that if that were the case, the Manleys would most likely relocate out of embarassment and try to save face with their in-laws. This is most likely not the case either. This is what I would call a Catch 22. If either party had actually behaved badly chances are that the Manleys would have moved in either scenario. Either case would give them more than enough reason to feel uncomfortable.

Let's face the facts. If Alexandra was so horrible, then why would she still be allowed to keep a prefix? Sure she no longer bears an HRH, but an HH for a divorced European Princess is very generous, IMO. If Alex was still so awful and contributed greatly to the downfall of her marriage, then why give her an added titled of Countess in preparation of her some day remarrying and not wanting her to be untitled? Regardless of saving face from the Royal House, this would not be normal behavior towards someone who committed an act of betrayal. I wouldn't expect for her to be denounced, but I wouldn't expect such graciousness and clear respect.

Couldn't have said it better myself. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in a marriage. You'll always have her truth, his truth and the truth. I think that both parties have behaved very well and although I still hope that they will get back together again (silly romantic dream), this won't happen. But it's wonderful for their children. Let's leave well enough alone folks. They have to get on with their lives and their future. Life's too short for recriminations and what might have beens.

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by Jenilynn

I have never posted on this board before

Welcome, then. I hope that, once you're past the barrier of the first post, that you will continue to post in the various threads here at TRF. Have fun :)

[Incas]

From Hellomagazine.com, Alexandra was in Copenhagen for a function.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty...18/princesses/

[Athena]

Huh she looks quite refreshed. Good for her, but I still find her utterly boring and fake.

[pdas1201]

Originally Posted by Athena

but I still find her utterly boring and fake.

...and the reason for that being???

[Australis]

I am not even going to go there with the Prince Charles and Princess Diana comparison. I am so sick of having every royal or royal scenario compared to those two. Diana is no longer living and has been judged as far as I am concerned by her maker. Charles seems to be happy with Camilla, so I think that it is time to let the past be what it is-the past.[/QUOTE]

Geee! now camilla is a saint because she finally got what she wanted. No-one remembers now that actually she stole Diana's husband. Happy?? hehehe we'll see

[bigheadshirmp]

28/08 05H.H. Prinsesse Alexandra, Grevinde af Frederiksborg, åbner ECCO Walkathon 2005 på Kastellet, København, kl. 10.45


Princess Alexandra is going to attend the ECCO Walkathon on August 28.......(which i think it's Prince Nikolai's birthday?) hopefully she's going to bring the 2 boys with her like last year

[Isabel]

Originally Posted by Australis

I am not even going to go there with the Prince Charles and Princess Diana comparison. I am so sick of having every royal or royal scenario compared to those two. Diana is no longer living and has been judged as far as I am concerned by her maker. Charles seems to be happy with Camilla, so I think that it is time to let the past be what it is-the past

Geee! now camilla is a saint because she finally got what she wanted. No-one remembers now that actually she stole Diana's husband. Happy?? hehehe we'll see

I don't see anywhere, where I said that Camilla was this sainted, lovely, benevolent woman. However, my advice to you and those who are hung up over Charles and his past infidelities with Camilla is that you should most likely begin to move on. Whether you are fond of Camilla or not, she is now his wife and yes he and she both seem very happy.

I don't think that Camilla actually stole Diana's husband. Let's be honest. Like or dislike Camilla, Diana really never had Charles. They were married in name, but Charles' thoughts were with Camilla. It's not likely that the marriage ever would lasted through time.

I apolgize to everyone for going off topic here. If anyone would like to continue this discussion, please start a thread in the British forum and PM me. I'll follow. I don't want to take up more space in Alex and Joachim's thread.

[Lisele]

Originally Posted by Australis

I am not even going to go there with the Prince Charles and Princess Diana comparison. I am so sick of having every royal or royal scenario compared to those two. Diana is no longer living and has been judged as far as I am concerned by her maker. Charles seems to be happy with Camilla, so I think that it is time to let the past be what it is-the past.

Geee! now camilla is a saint because she finally got what she wanted. No-one remembers now that actually she stole Diana's husband. Happy?? hehehe we'll see [/QUOTE]

If we're going to go there.... I don't like Camilla, didn't like her back in the 70's when she was single and Charles was seeing her. I praised Queen Mum for declaring that she wasn't suitable and I still agree with her (God rest her soul). Camilla and Charles should never have gotten married IMO, and I think they should have just continued the way they were. I felt that if Charles wanted happiness, he should have been denied it by everyone. I still don't like Camilla. Diana is no longer alive but I think that Charles should have at least been sensitive enough to not marry her rival and leave their relationship the way it was. In most people's minds Diana will always be Princess of Wales not Camilla regardless of her not using the title (mighty freaking nice of her to consider it - even though she does have the right to use it).

Sorry.. got my back up on this issue. So.. without saying stuff that will offend more people than I've already said, I'll leave well enough alone. That's my 2 cents on it. I know not everyone agrees with me, and I profusely apologize to all I have offended. So now that we've gotten that out of the way, back to Alexandra and Joachim since this is a thread for them not C&D&C.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by pdas1201

...and the reason for that being???

It's simply my opinion.

I'm sure there are some people in this world that you don't fawn over or connect with as well as finding certain individuals utterly boring. If you say you don't than I would sincerely doubt your response.

By the way, please don't take my response to you in a negative way -- that is not my intention -- perhaps at this point we can agree to disagree regarding Alex.


:)

[Hannelore]

Oh no not that awfl 80-s style again!

And the dress she wore at the Albert Hall was so flattering...

[pdas1201]

Originally Posted by Athena

It's simply my opinion.

I'm sure there are some people in this world that you don't fawn over or connect with as well as finding certain individuals utterly boring. If you say you don't than I would sincerely doubt your response.

By the way, please don't take my response to you in a negative way -- that is not my intention -- perhaps at this point we can agree to disagree regarding Alex.


:)

I respect your honest answer and really have no negative feelings towards you whatsoever. I absolutely understand and accept the fact that we as individuals differ from each other and so do our choices. You are free to choose whom you like or don't. I just wanted to know if there was any specific reason for your dislike of Alex, for discussion purposes. But, since your dislike of her is based on your feelings, I can't argue with that.

[princess olga]

Isabel, you're making some wise comments. Of course this is pure conjecturing, but I for one really think that what really happened pre-divorce that Joachim and Alexandra found out over the years that they probably did <not> have as much in common as they first believed when they were newly in love. For example, as far as I can tell, Joachim is a real outdoors-y kind of guy. What with all his farmer ambitions and all that. And I have to say that <she> on the other hand strikes me as a total city kind of girl. And in my own experience, the older you get (ha I'm in my early thirties, so I know! , the less you are willing perhaps to compromise what you really want out of life?!

Ah, we can only hope either Joachim or Alex will talk about it one day to the media....but if I were them, I'd keep my mouth perfectly shut, haha!

Oh and Athena, no offense, but how can you qualify a woman who:
--travels around the world for work
--was married to a prince in a --to her-- foreign land
--is dating a hot-looking artistic guy, post-divorce, who is over a decade younger than herself
--speaks a ton of languages fluently,

how can you qualify her as boring?! OK, fake, maybe. That we do not know. After all, Alexandra managed to smile through most of her divorce, and while her marriage was crumbling under her feet, and none of us 'underlings' noticed...so maybe you have a point with the "fake" but <boring>?? I find her more interesting almost at every turn she takes.

[Isabel]

Originally Posted by princess olga

Isabel, you're making some wise comments. Of course this is pure conjecturing, but I for one really think that what really happened pre-divorce that Joachim and Alexandra found out over the years that they probably did <not> have as much in common as they first believed when they were newly in love. For example, as far as I can tell, Joachim is a real outdoors-y kind of guy. What with all his farmer ambitions and all that. And I have to say that <she> on the other hand strikes me as a total city kind of girl. And in my own experience, the older you get (ha I'm in my early thirties, so I know! , the less you are willing perhaps to compromise what you really want out of life?!

Thank you Princess Olga, and I agree with you completely. I dont' know why so many people are focused on finding some kind of scandal behind the end of this marriage. There really may be none. People end marriages every single day and they don't end up hating each other. They simply realize that they have less in common than they thought and don't want life to pass them by while they continue to be stuck in a dull, lifeless marriage. That doesn't mean that they can't remain friends. Many people make much better friends than husbands or wives. Who can say that this isn't the case with Alex and Joachim?

I cannnot see how anyone can refer to Alex as boring. Maybe if you don't have much in common with her and you were to find yourself at a loss for conversation, then sure you could consider her boring. I mean if you can't talk to someone then it is a strain. But, Alex is really a worldly sort of person, so I would think that she could talk about a variety of things. She has traveled literally everywhere especially on behalf of UNESCO. Alex has studied in different countries, has met people form all over the world and there are so many other things. I simply couldn't see how anyone could consider someone like that boring. She may not enjoy sports or the outdoors in general, but that doesn't make someone boring. It just means that they have other interests.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by pdas1201

I respect your honest answer and really have no negative feelings towards you whatsoever. I absolutely understand and accept the fact that we as individuals differ from each other and so do our choices. You are free to choose whom you like or don't. I just wanted to know if there was any specific reason for your dislike of Alex, for discussion purposes. But, since your dislike of her is based on your feelings, I can't argue with that.

:) Glad to know that there are no hard feelings regarding my original post; however, I should note to you that I never stated nor did I imply that I "disliked" Alex. It's silly to "dislike" someone that I don't even know -- but one can find someone's actions boring. In the end, I stated that I found her to be "utterly boring and fake". There is a major difference, but I'm sure you know that already.

[Lisele]

Hi everyone!!! Since this seems to be the forum for it, I'd like to get some input from our Danish members out there. I was talking to friends in Denmark the other night and 3 things they told me regarding Princess Alexandra:

1. She divorced Joachim whi in and of itself is such a huge mistake on her part. They feel that she should have stayed with the marriage until their children were older.
2. She isn't taking the "appropriate" time before looking around and dating again.
3. Her parents still live at Schackenborg which conveys to them that Joachim was the wronged party in this split.

Keep in mind, these aren't my opinions, these are my friends opinions and they live in Copenhagen, and are much closer to the situation than the rest of us are.

[Dennism]

According to an article in the Swedish tabloid, Expressen, Alexandra has suffered from a slipped disc. She may have to have surgery. She was suffering in her recent trip to England.

http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=423763

[galuhcandrakirana]

Originally Posted by Lisele

Hi everyone!!! Since this seems to be the forum for it, I'd like to get some input from our Danish members out there. I was talking to friends in Denmark the other night and 3 things they told me regarding Princess Alexandra:

1. She divorced Joachim whi in and of itself is such a huge mistake on her part. They feel that she should have stayed with the marriage until their children were older.
2. She isn't taking the "appropriate" time before looking around and dating again.
3. Her parents still live at Schackenborg which conveys to them that Joachim was the wronged party in this split.

Keep in mind, these aren't my opinions, these are my friends opinions and they live in Copenhagen, and are much closer to the situation than the rest of us are.

Poor Alexandra, after what she has done to her adopt country, it seems to be forgotten easily just because of her failure married:o. I think people should make some distance to her very personal life. She still represents Denmark and keeps doing her job for Denmark.
After read what your friend heard about some Danish' opinion (about Alexandra), I just wondered why the two people have to continue their married if both of them are not happy one each other anymore. I think the children will be more happy without seeing the parent shouting each other every time

I also would like to know, for Danish people when is the best time for divorced people to get their new couple or how long do they need to wait after divorce finalised. I have this question because I know that in some country there are some tradition belief that for "a widower" must not re-marry or they should wait several years after the death of her husband, but in Alexandra' case she is not a widower.

In contradiction, in some other country the couples even often has found another dated while they are still in waiting for divorce finalised (specially if the process really takes time), and people see it without any strange feeling.