Originally Posted by Terri Terri
You known...I just had a sickening thought. What if there are more people like this Nets person and we just don't know about them yet. Could you imagine the magazines having a source in banks for example?
You nailed it.
Because if it happened here in DK - and partially in Norway too, remember. Then it can and will happen elsewhere.
Nets is under heavy fire now for inadequate security. Or perhaps rather for being too naive and too trusting of their own people.
Especially as a S&H photographer warned Nets in January last year, with examples of leaks. But Nets superficial investigation back then, if any, led nowhere.
There are people at Nets right now who don't need reflexes on their clothes when going out at night, their glowing ears will do...
My guess is that certain people will get credit cards based on false identities. And the rest of us will only be registered with numbers.
Originally Posted by FasterB
But I do think that the journalists from S&H will not be talked to at all now.
Absolutely, they'll be parias now.
The rest of the press is up in arms here in DK. Partly because:
A) It's a major scandal and interesting, and many journalist are truly appalled.
B) It makes their work and reputation (which isn't too good as it is) even more difficult. And they fear restrictions, that may come from this.
C) Journalists, like everybody else, love to talk about themselves and their work.
D) And not least, a number of those monitored by S&H are journalists themselves...
The rest of the press corps will show no mercy now, neither towards S&H nor Aller Press.
There will be no code of silence, like there perhaps still is in for example the British press.
Anyway, the noose is tightning. Text messages send from the source at Nets to S&H have now been published. One of them was about Joachim, the other about a wellknown journalist on his honeymoon.
Tracking down another wellknown journalist on her holiday in Italy and taking pics of her topless via her credit card won't be forgiven either!
A picture of the culture of S&H here in DK (and my guess in Norway and Sweden as well) is emerging. They basically felt like renegades and outlaws in relation to the rest of the press, who generally treated them with contempt.
And in that environment moral scrouples went down the drain - or you simply left.
ADDED: So far there is documentation for at least 28 people being watched via their credit card transactions, they are listed here and the list is growing: Se og Hør-skandalen: Listen vokser - her er de kendte og kongelige som blev overvåget | www.bt.dk
Se og Hør-skandalen: Sådan så Tys-tys-kildens SMS'er ud - Danmark | www.bt.dk
This is how the text messages from the source to journalists at S&H looked like.
Jokke is the nickname for Joachim.
BT and DR1 have a lot of these messages for documentation, including some about Mary.
Without having the abillity to lift off the roof at Amalienborg and peer in, I think I can safely say that Frederik at least is absolutely ballistic! We know how annoyed he can be when it comes to his family. This would have send him into a fit of unprecedented rage!
Kendte danskere politianmelder Se og Hør - Indland
Police complaints and civil lawsuits are pouring in against S&H and Aller Press. Especially directed against the CEO, Pål Thore Kråsby, as having the ultimate responsibillity.
The second highest ranking manager within Aller Press, Per Ingdal, is also getting in trouble, since there are more and more indications pointing to him knowing about the sorce at Nets. So far he has wisely decided to keep his mouth shut.
So far the DRF seems just to be monitoring the situation and I doubt they'll do anything until the police has finished its investigations.
So far, Lars Løkke, former Prime Minister and in most likelyhood the next PM as well, is also monitoring the situation. But as he is almost guaranteed to head a majority government after the next election the press has every reason to fear restrictions.
Nets can also expect civil lawsuits en masse.
- The damages rewarded after civil lawsuits here in DK are peanuts compared to say USA, it's the damage to the reputation of companies after losing such a lawsuit that counts.
And it's getting worse.
Here are more text messages: Dokumentation: Her er de 12 sms'er, der belaster Se og Hør | www.bt.dk
Some involve J&M.
But even worse for normal credit card users like you and me, the newsmedia Version2 has contacted present employees at Nets: Dokumentation: Her er de 12 sms'er, der belaster Se og Hør | www.bt.dk
According to their article, it's common thay employees peek at people credit card transactions. I.e. peeking without a professional reason.
To access bank accounts and local credit cards you need in individual's social security number. But if that individual has an international credit card, and who hasn't, then you can aquire the social security number that way and with that you can monitor all the transactions by that person.
To make it even more idiotic, you can in theory access these information from day one of your job at Nets.
Considering that Nets apparantly don't use personal codes, nor restrict access to any particular degree like they do in municipal registers, the security is hopeless!
On top of that the employees having access to these info are often very young, and very junior. All they have to do is to get their criminal record from the police and that is blank they can be hired, after signing the standard pledge to not reveal any confidential information.
Now, dear readers, how do you think security is in regards to your