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Old 01-31-2019, 02:34 PM
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Interesting how many of you think or assume that the family is moving to Paris permanently and not for just a year (summer 2019 - summer 2020) as has been communicated. We'll have to wait and see...
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Old 01-31-2019, 02:37 PM
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I like this news. Marie agreed to come to Denmark and then settled in Schakenborg for years and now she has a chance to live in her former home country. It will be a good move on all sides, for the argument convinces me that France and Denmark will want to work closer together when it comes to the military and having a high-ranking officer (who surely has the highest secrecy rank? As occasional Royal regent he should be able to know every secret of the military, no?) in France is a good way for Denmark to assure their concerns are heard. Especially as Joachim as a son of the Head of the State of Denmark has direct access to the president of France, if he wants to.
OTOH his children know they have to look forward to earning their own money but must be careful when they do that in Denmark, so bringing up little Henrik and Athena in Paris is a way to ensure they can study or learn a craft (they are Margrethe's grandchildren after all) without as much public curiosity as in Denmark.

It might be a possibility that Nicolai is moving with them. Maybe he has plans to only start out as a male model but has a deeper interest in fashion and could study at a fashion school or become an apprentice in a designer house? That's a lot easier as a prince in Paris than in Denmark.

And doesn't Marie's brothers live in or around Paris? Her father? Other relatives, who might have children without any "public profile", so Henrik and Athena can do things with them and not be hounded like they are when they spend time with Fred's kids?
Plus there might be a possibility for Marie to get payed work as a charity representative for international companies in Paris which she couldn't do in Copenhagen as the countries' princess. Joachim and Marie have to see Felix and their own two children to see through university till they an live off their own income. Plus Nicolai in case he wants to study at a private school. I am not sure how much money the family has, but could it be that the French chateau will be left someday to Joachim and not to Frederick? So maybe one of Joachim's kids want to become a winemaker?

A lot of possibilities, and some probably better than those they have in Denmark.
Yes, there are indeed a number of options open for J&M. They could very well do a Madeleine and life in France and still be more or less loosely connected to the DRF.
I don't believe they will settle in France permanently. But in fifteen years time I won't rule out that J&M retire to France. Because at that time Christian and Isabella (she is needed as a spare) will have begun to take on royal duties in earnest. And there will be "less room" for J&M so to speak.
As to your question about how wealthy J&M are, they are wealthy enough in my estimation that they will be able to maintain a higher middle class lifestyle for the rest of their lives without having to work.
They are certainly more wealthy than M&F! And including investments, house and properties in Southern Jutland I believe they are more wealthy than QMII.

Joachim is most unlikely to have the highest security clearance. He does know a lot of state and military secrets, but he is after all only a colonel of the reserves.
It's a need to know question.
Nor is QMII (and as such the Regent and whoever Rigsforstander is appointed) privy to the more sensitive secret. While she is the Head of state and commander in chief, there is no need to tell her her sensitive secrets until it is necessary.
Keep in mind that during WWII even the US President was not privy to certain details regarding a number of the most secret projects.
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Old 01-31-2019, 04:15 PM
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Returning to the specific course Joachim is going to attend. It's going to be hard!
Six days a week, for a working week of some 70 hours!

Apart from that Joachim and his classmates will go on excursions both to military units in France, but also to military units stationed aboard. The class that started last year have been to French troops serving - and fighting - in one of the former French colonies in the Sahara region.
So Joachim will be away from his family from time to time - and probably at least once to a place that could be dangerous.
Of course Joachim is a more influential person than the average colonel of the reserves, so we may speculate as to whether he will "invite" his class to visit Danish troops abroad. - Danish troops are among other places stationed in Estonia, where AFAIK no French troops have been deployed. Estonia as well as the two other Baltic countries, sure is worth a strategic lecture. Or to Greenland? The strategic situation there is - interesting as well!

And now to Napoleon. Napoleon studied at …cole Militaire as well. To become an (expert) artillery officer.
Napoleon not only learned to command a battery, but studied how to best use artillery tactically as well as calculating trajectories, studying chemistry. - Gunpowder is not just gunpowder and it varies according to various conditions.
It was Napoleon's deployment of artillery outside the city of Toulon in the 1790's, that eventually forced the Royal Navy to withdraw and as such ended the British occupation of Toulon - and started Napoleon's career.
And anyone who has studied Napoleon, know that Napoleon in his core, remained an artillery officer all his life. Profiting very much from what he learned at the military academy.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:17 AM
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I wish them a pleasant stay in France...
I think they will be very well received, with kindness and courtesy... quite the opposite of what they experience in Denmark, according to the hateful comments that I read in Danish newspapers
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:35 AM
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I wish them a pleasant stay in France...
I think they will be very well received, with kindness and courtesy... quite the opposite of what they experience in Denmark, according to the hateful comments that I read in Danish newspapers
Congratulations on your first post, Isabelle de France.

Oh, don't worry. While Joachim is not the most popular member of the DRF, it doesn't mean people can't stand the sight of him or throw rotten fruits at him on streets, far from that. And many actually respect him, even if they don't see him as a someone they could personally be friends with. Joachim is not a man it's easy to like, until you really get to know him.
And our Marie is well liked, even is she isn't as popular as Mary, who is very popular and very respected.
But Marie is a friendly and easy to like person and that is very much a quality in her own right.

I don't know what papers you have been reading, but if it's Ekstra Bladet, those who comment there ought IMO be euthanized - it would be best for everyone, including themselves.
They are people who would complain about absolutely everything! If someone invented a free way to prevent hunger and malnutrition for ever, they would complain about that is well!

But I'm sure, and I hope they will have a very pleasant stay in France. - And as has been said before, who knows, they may eventually settle there once M&F's children have grown up.
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:19 AM
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thank you Muhler, sorry for my bad english, it's indeed Ekstra Bladet, and the comments are absolutely detestable...
the Danes blame Joachim for his "arrogance", in fact I think he is someone very serious and totally dedicated to his country but his "royal attitude" is misunderstood by the danish people...
he must suffer a lot from this, because whatever he does he is criticized... strangely, he looks a lot like his mother, which should please the Danes, but they prefer Frederik who looks a lot like his father (who has always been hated by the Danes...)
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:45 AM
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Your English is very good indeed.

And I agree with every word you say - except for the bit about PH.
Yes, I too believe Joachim has been very much misunderstood - sometimes people are more than willing to misunderstand him...
(But keep in mind that there was a period where Joachim was genuinely seen as the better alternative to becoming the next king, than Frederik. So things change.)

PH, as you now, was very much ridiculed for his poor command of spoken Danish (however his ability to understand all the nuances of Danish was very good indeed!) And I think that was very much due to ignorance. People really didn't know the person, PH, but rather knew him as the person who walked behind the Queen speaking "circus-Danish". It has only been within the past couple of decades that DRF truly opened up and where we genuinely got to know the real people behind the titles.
And PH with his humor and ability to lighten things up and the fact that he was both conservative and very little conservative at the same time began to endear him to the Danes. Especially after a portrait where we got to know his feelings and thoughts better. - Including of course the "I wanna be king" opinion of his.
But sometimes he would say or do something that went totally against the typical Danish mindset and he would find himself in a row!
So PH's popularity was something of a roller-coaster for the last three decades of his life.
PH was human, for better or worse. And we Danes looking at him and talking about him are humans too - for better or worse.

It is perhaps in that light we should see Joachim, and what people are saying about him.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:40 AM
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thanks for all these explanations Muhler,
we are two peoples too different ! the French are Latin, spontaneous, warm, "bons vivants"... Prince Henrik and Princess Marie are two good examples... the Danes are different, more reserved and maybe that's why the french are less appreciated...
Princess Grace has never spoken French very well, she still has had a strong American accent but no one in France has criticized her for that...
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:30 PM
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thanks for all these explanations Muhler,
we are two peoples too different ! the French are Latin, spontaneous, warm, "bons vivants"... Prince Henrik and Princess Marie are two good examples... the Danes are different, more reserved and maybe that's why the french are less appreciated...
Princess Grace has never spoken French very well, she still has had a strong American accent but no one in France has criticized her for that...
We Danes are widely considered the Latinos of Scandinavia for being - as you put it - spontaneous and warm.
I'm actually not kidding. (And it applies mainly to Copenhageners.)

I will also add that France has always been much more cosmopolitan than certainly DK was prior to 1980.
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:11 PM
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according the comments of your compatriots that I could read, many don't understand at all PH and PM... "two weird things" comming from France...
it might be wise to avoid weddings between Denmark and France from now... lol
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:26 PM
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Well, like I said before, no one outside the readers of Ekstra Bladet are the least bit interested in what is commented there. Anyway, the certifiable nutcases there, have a tendency to fight among themselves.

And it is my very clear impression that it's not our Marie people have anything against, it's Joachim!

Also, if you deliberately look for Danes saying something bad about Marie, you will find them.
And that applies to every single royal on this planet.
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Old 02-02-2019, 05:08 PM
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I think this sounds like a good move for the family, whether itís a short stay or turns into something longer term.

One of the major disadvantages more senior royals have is that they canít relocate to a foreign country. Travel and possibly a few years studying abroad arenít the same thing. Royals in Joachimís position donít have the same constraints so why not take advantage of the ability to move and immerse their children in another culture, in this case that of their mother?
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:25 AM
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Additional trivia about the move to France, based on article in Billed Bladet #06, 2019.
Written by Henrik Salling & Dorte Quist.

It is of course a problem fro Athena and Henrik, who have to change school and leave classmates and friends behind.
Our Marie said: "I think it'll be an exciting challenge. They think it's a bit hard that they have to change everything, but they are looking forward. They do however speak French (*) because I speak French with them. But they can learn speaking a little better. And then I'm looking forward to the children learning more about the French culture. It's a big chance for them.
The thing I probably look the most forward to is to support my husband and be together with my family. I do get closer to my father, who lives in Paris."

As it is, right now Henrik and Athena attend a French school here in DK, and I don't know to what extent it resembles a school in France. There are differences however.
In DK, pupils are on first name and informal you with their teachers.
In France it's more formal and there is much less emphasis on group work. In Danish school you probably work at least half the time in groups.
In Denmark it's a five full day week at school.
In France it's 4Ĺ day week, with Wednesday being a short day.

Mary has also commented: "We are looking forward in his behalf - and of course on behalf of the family as well. It's such a fine recognition. It will surely be a big challenge but also an exciting time for the family."

Q: Will You be going down to visit them at some point?
M: "Yes, I hope so."

BB speculates that Nikolai may join the family often, since his sweetheart, Benedikte Thoustrup currently study in France. But there is as you know, also a big fashion industry in France.

Joachim won't have time to be bored! And it's questionable how much of France he is going to experience while attending the staff school there.
He will be studying for six full days a week, as well as being away on trips several times.
The course he will be attending is divided into two parts:
Both are under Ecole Militaire.
The first part takes place at Centre des Hautes Etudes Militaires. - Here 30 selected officers of the rank of full colonels or commodores (**) will be taught about military-strategic management and international relations. (***)
The second part is more diverse, and very much about creating a network! Here 70 business leaders, parliamentarians, civil servants and representatives from the media will join the officers.
Here various topics are discussed in depth, like international relations within culture, trade, politics as well as military relations. To that is added crisis management and exchanging experiences. (****)

(*) I understand Marie, at least in private, address her children in French and they respond in "Danch."

(**) Full colonel and commodore in the navy is the lowest rank, where you have your own staff.
To make things confusing a "staff officer" can mean two things:
An officer who work in staff, typically a general staff, that's from full colonel and down.
Or an officer who has his own staff, typically a general, that's from full colonel and up.

(***) How to oversee the implementation of a strategy and modify it according to circumstances, here also in relation to foreign political considerations.
This is aimed at officers who are soon to be promoted to general/admiral.

(****) This is for senior analysts. Both within the military but also senior civil servants, diplomats, politicians involved in foreign affairs as well as senior foreign correspondents in the press.
The purpose is to analyze and understand the political situation in a given country, with consideration to the ethnic, cultural and economic circumstances. How to help preventing a situation from becoming hot and what to if it does go hot.
And considering the network Joachim will establish contact with during this part of the course, they must be drooling in the Danish Defense Command and the Foreign Ministry!

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Marie and her friend Britt Siesby were seen together at a charity fashion show, Charity Catwalk at Hotel D'Angleterre. Here they spend a couple of hours looking at fashion as well as joining a number of friends, including Osacer Siesbye, in the hotel restaurant, for a couple of hours more.
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Thank you Muhler. I'm sure it will be sad for Henrik and Athena to leave their Danish friends behind at first, though children tend to adjust to such moves well so hopefully the same will be said for them. Young children are more likely to pick up languages when they move to new countries, and even though they'll only be there for a year and a bit, Henrik and Athena will probably adjust to French being spoken everywhere quickly.
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You are welcome.

Agree, if they are to relocate, it's better now while their children are still young. And who knows? The children might thrive in France.

I think Joachim hints that their stay could be longer.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:07 PM
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article on their move to France and Joachim receiving his appanage still
https://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/ud...-med-til-paris
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Is this Marie's private Instagram account? She comments sometimes Cedric Notz's Instagram posts.
https://www.instagram.com/marie_cavallier/?hl=fi

Cedric's last post
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt_PPhcBhIK/
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Additional trivia about the move to France, based on article in Billed Bladet #06, 2019.
Written by Henrik Salling & Dorte Quist.

It is of course a problem fro Athena and Henrik, who have to change school and leave classmates and friends behind.
Our Marie said: "I think it'll be an exciting challenge. They think it's a bit hard that they have to change everything, but they are looking forward. They do however speak French (*) because I speak French with them. But they can learn speaking a little better. And then I'm looking forward to the children learning more about the French culture. It's a big chance for them.
The thing I probably look the most forward to is to support my husband and be together with my family. I do get closer to my father, who lives in Paris."

As it is, right now Henrik and Athena attend a French school here in DK, and I don't know to what extent it resembles a school in France. There are differences however.
In DK, pupils are on first name and informal you with their teachers.
In France it's more formal and there is much less emphasis on group work. In Danish school you probably work at least half the time in groups.
In Denmark it's a five full day week at school.
In France it's 4Ĺ day week, with Wednesday being a short day.
Have the children of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra and the children of the Crown Prince couple likewise been taught to speak the native languages of their mothers or made extended visits to their mothers' native countries?
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:23 PM
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According to BT Joachim's protections have begun getting letters informing them that he for a period cannot attend events and follow what is going to the same extent as usual.

https://www.bt.dk/royale/protektion-...lige-nu-saa-vi

Apparently it is also customary to inform the protections of the new address when a royal moves, presumably so that they know where to phone, mail, and write, that has not yet happened. - Again presumably because J&M haven't found a new home in France yet.
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That makes sense since he will be in class 6 days a week, that's why their original statement of no changes to their workload didn't make complete sense.
This is just for Joachim or have Marie's patronages been notified too?
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