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Old 06-02-2014, 01:40 PM
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Thanks, Polyesco.

Observe and admire how Joachim, being the perfect gentleman, never fails to dress properly for the occasion.
The occasion here being a concert with popular music. The dress code here is casually festive, with a vivacious touch. And one must say that his light red pants follow that code to the letter.

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i like marie's fitted black top! and isn't the lady behind her marie's LIW or secretary?
It is, Britt Siesbye. And her hairdresser, Dennis Knudsen, is there as well. They've become pretty close friends.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:13 PM
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Thanks, Polyesco.

Observe and admire how Joachim, being the perfect gentleman, never fails to dress properly for the occasion.
The occasion here being a concert with popular music. The dress code here is casually festive, with a vivacious touch. And one must say that his light red pants follow that code to the letter.
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"light red pants"
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:33 AM
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Ekstrabladet reports that Joachim and Marie are moving permanently to Copenhagen.

Schackenborg is turned over to a foundation and J&M will stay there occationally and try to maintain their relationship with the southern Jutland.

Personally, I'm very disappointed. The Royal Family is already centered heavily around North Eastern Zealand. I would expect that her Majesty, the Prince Consort and the Crown Prince couple could maintain the royal obligations in that part of the country.

Gråsten castle, Marselisborg and the lodge in Trend is already underused - and now Schackenborg as well!
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:36 AM
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What are the reasons? Schackenborg being too unprofitable? Joachim to take more duties for health/old age reason of the monarch couple?
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:53 AM
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What are the reasons? Schackenborg being too unprofitable? Joachim to take more duties for health/old age reason of the monarch couple?
The agricultural obligations of Schackenborg are too large to also allow the couple to meet the royal obligations as a prince and princess of Denmark. (The short version, I suppose).

A foundation is taking over the agricultural aspect.

A personal supposition is that Nikolaj hasn't shown any interest in agriculture and that the farming aspect is a dead-end for Joachim. Better to move to where the kids will eventually end up, I suppose.

IIRC, there are some obligations connected with the ownership of Schackenborg. Otherwise, it would be possible to sell the agricultural parts and maintain the castle as a royal residence.

Personally, I'd like it if the RF "spread out". They could use the kids when they grow up - put Nikolaj in Århus, Felix in Northern Jutland (find an appropriate residence up there), then the Isabella, Vincent and Josephine on Funen, Southern Jutland and Lolland or whatever.

Better than focusing everything around Copenhagen.

There's also a tourist aspect to this effect. Having royalty in Århus would be a small boon, and a junior prince would attract way more attention in the countryside than in the capital, where he is "competing" with many senior royals.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:04 AM
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I think it's an unfortunate choice as well. They don't have half of the duties compared to The Regent Couple and Crown Prince Couple. Of course. The Regent- and Crown Prince Couple are the absolute top profiles in the Royal Family and the focus will only be bigger and bigger from every day now, while the focus on Prince Joachim number 6 down the line of succession naturally getting smaller and smaller. Therefore, the couple in let's say 10 years will stand without any real function, while the Crown Prince Couple inherit the throne. It was a smart move to stay on Schackenborg so they could own and operate it as a useful "function".
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:20 AM
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I think it's an unfortunate choice as well. They don't have half of the duties compared to The Regent Couple and Crown Prince Couple. Of course. The Regent- and Crown Prince Couple are the absolute top profiles in the Royal Family and the focus will only be bigger and bigger from every day now, while the focus on Prince Joachim number 6 down the line of succession naturally getting smaller and smaller. Therefore, the couple in let's say 10 years will stand without any real function, while the Crown Prince Couple inherit the throne. It was a smart move to stay on Schackenborg so they could own and operate it as a useful "function".
I'd say that they should reduce the amount of obligations (across the board), if it is too much to also handle Schackenborg.
I don't really care if they are at the seamstress-awards or something on a university or whatever, if they aren't residing at Schackenborg.
I'd say that Schackenborg (and south Jutland) comes first - patronages second and it saddens me that the family prioritizes this way.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:57 AM
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I have had a look at various articles.

Schackenborg will be converted to a foundation, with Joachim and our Marie still being able to live there. In fact they intend to live there during the summer months.
Joachim has contributed with 13 million DKK to the foundation.
A number of those names in connection with the foundations belongs to Joachim's very rich friends. The LEGO family, among others.
So I wonder if this is a technicality, where it may be economically more sound that the manor is owned by a foundation rather than a private person. - Also in regards to tax deductions, EU funds and so on.

However, the first thing that sprang to mind when I read about it is that M&J will settle where they intend their children to go to school. Having bette Henrik and now Athena constantly shift between kindergartens in Copenhagen and Møgeltønder may not be the best solution for the children.
Also, a number of their friends live in Copenhagen. That may also be a factor.

The second thing I though of was whether Schackenborg Manor, as an estate is too economically draining for a private person to run in the long run, especially as the heir to Schackenborg will be even further down the list of royals.
So perhaps it's better to cut the cost now, before ending up in debt. It's no secret that many owners of manor houses in DK and everywhere else struggle with the cost of maintaining the buildings.
By transferring the manor to a fund, Joachim and his heirs will not be affected personally by the costs, - while still being able to use the place.
Which on the face of it sounds like a sensible solution to me.

The downside is, as Nwinter has pointed out, that the DRF, at least for a number of years, will have a deminished affilliation with the rest of the country.

Last, but not least, I don't think J&M will stay at Amalienborg. The apartment is unsuited for a family, with large but few rooms. Even if the children can have their rooms at the attic.
It sounds plausible to me that they will move somewhere else. Sorgenfri is a good guess. Princess Elisabeth is frail. She probably won't last long. And the main building is currently used as storage, but with the recent auction of furnitures, there should be free storage place elsewhere, so J&M could also move in there.

We'll see. It's a pity they'll move away from southern Jutland, they were well liked there and were very involved in the local life as well.

I'm sure more will follow in the next days but right now we'll go on holiday.

ADDED IN THE LAST MINUTE: http://www.bt.dk/royale/joachim-og-marie-er-paa-husjagt
M&J intend to purchase a house in Copenhagen later this summer. (Probably already have bought it).
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:27 AM
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I also agree that its somewhat disappointing. it was better when they were spread out. In the bt.dk article it says that they might move somewhat close to Felix/Nikolai (but i dont think that is the reason they are moving)

official press release
Schackenborg Slot overdrages til nystiftet fond - Kongehuset

Maybe they will increase royal duties?
it says also due to family considerations, maybe they want their kids in the same school as Felix/Nikolai ?
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:51 PM
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I'm sure it will be nice for
Joachim to be closer to Nikolai and Felix.


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Old 07-01-2014, 07:30 PM
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Joachim and Marie on holiday (on the cover of se og hor)
http://www.seoghoer.dk/~/media/68533...bc=white&w=200
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:39 AM
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Added to some of the facts Muhler mentioned,will it not be a drain on expenses security wise with the Royal Family split all over Denmark? Just asking.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:46 AM
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Added to some of the facts Muhler mentioned,will it not be a drain on expenses security wise with the Royal Family split all over Denmark? Just asking.
Hardly. The Prince and Princess walks freely around the local area. I doubt they have guards with them on a daily basis as it is.

I know for a fact that he attended local gatherings where one of the locals in Møgeltønder would have raised a barn or whatever and the prince would attend the topping out (rejsegilde in Danish) without further notice.

I find that to be one of the most charming things about the couple - that they are royal but on occation walk the walk of the subjects, and one of the reasons why Joachim was so respected and indeed loved in south Jutland, whereas his popularity is lacking in the rest of the country.
They simply saw him as he really is, not what the tabloids made him to be.

Boy, I wish they'd stay and even fan out more, the royals.

P.S. The story is headling the newspaper Jyske Vestkysten, a Jutish newspaper. It seems that the locals understands the couple's situation, but regret it nevertheless.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:58 AM
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The story of the Prince ending his activities at Shackenborg estate because he was "too busy with his royal role" leads me a bit in disbelief. Has the Prince never heard about a steward? That is a person who speaks, makes arrangements or takes charge for the owner.

For an example, Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands owns an estate, in the family since 1845, which is partly divided in 22 agricultural enterprises (tenants) paying lease to the owner (Princess Beatrix). Princess Beatrix really never was/is too occupied with the management. She leaves that to a steward of the domain who, with his staff, is responsible for the management of her estate.

The solution by Prince Joachim to hand it all over into a Foundation, okay, but the explanation "too busy with his royal role" is laughable. The Prince could have chosen to appoint a steward for the management of Shackenborg, accountible to him, the owner. In this scenario he would have enjoyed an income from his estate (when the management is properly done, of course). I have the idea there is more behind the screens than the explanation "too busy".
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:57 PM
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Article on Joachim and Marie's move.
It agrees with most of the opinions that the royals should be spread out
Lektor: Prins Joachim bryder med ældgammel tradition - sn.dk - sn.dk

part of the article
"- Travel and movements throughout the kingdom to secure the support of the people has been a field for Real for centuries, and it still holds true today."

(that's why I love the cruises that the Queen and Henrik and also Frederik and Mary do ... I also like that Frederik and Mary have decided to live during the summer elsewhere in DK and that the queen also changes residence several times during the year)
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:19 PM
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The solution by Prince Joachim to hand it all over into a Foundation, okay, but the explanation "too busy with his royal role" is laughable. The Prince could have chosen to appoint a steward for the management of Shackenborg, accountible to him, the owner. In this scenario he would have enjoyed an income from his estate (when the management is properly done, of course). I have the idea there is more behind the screens than the explanation "too busy".


Perhaps they simply got bored with living way out in the country?

Many people prefer city life where there is much more to do; it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the couple craved more excitement.
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:25 PM
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As I recall Joachim has had a manager or steward to run the farm.

I agree there is a need for transparency in the Schakenborg trade

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the Three families Danfoss, Ecco and Lego - Hanni from the Lego Family puts Money from her own fortune-, are presenting a total of 100 million.
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in a trade - or debt that is unclear
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Well, I have heard for years that the Schackenborg business isn't doing so well and that Joachim actually depends on the money he gets from the state for his royal duties. So I can't say I'm surprised by his decision.

At the moment (considering J+M's rather few engagements) the official explanation seems indeed a bit laughable. (Joachim's quote in BB seems more plausible to me: It's the best way to ensure the future of Schackenborg.)
But Benedikte has turned 70 this year, Henrik 80 and the Queen will be 75 next year. And the CP' couples children presumably won't be doing many (if any) royal duties for the next 20 years.
So my guess is that both J+M will overtake more duties in the next years. And then it might be handy to stay near the court in Cph for planning meetings and so on.

I personally don't see a problem with J+M living in Copenhagen permanently (they spent a lot of time there anyhow). It's not as if the Regent couple and CP couple are only doing engagements in Cph. They are spreading out and J+M will too. And for the children (and J+M) it will be nicer to live near the rest of the family.
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:38 PM
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Anyway, Shackenborg Estate looks better nowadays than when Prince Joachim became the owner, so praise to him for this effort.

Shackenborg before: http://www.lossiantiik.ee/andy1/k05-01-22-57.JPG

Shackenborg after: http://kongehuset.dk/materialemappe/...borg-slot1.jpg
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It certainly do. It cost 19 mill kr. where 13 mill came from a Collection amongst the Danish people as a weddingpresent to Joachim and Alexandra. on top of this he also got an apanage because every one got so excited.

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