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Old 12-26-2010, 04:18 PM
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Enough said.

Being impartial I will just be the messenger of latest news. News about Joachim.

Ekstra Bladet - Prins Joachim: rets nar 2010?
It would be nice if we could get an English translation I entered an article into a translator within the past few weeks and was told that what came out wasn't even in the original article!
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:36 PM
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Enough said.

Being impartial I will just be the messenger of latest news. News about Joachim.

Ekstra Bladet - Prins Joachim: rets nar 2010?
I have to agree with Joachim. The journalist needs to learn some basic manners.
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:41 PM
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Can you give a summary of the article?

I assume someone (the reporter maybe) was rude to Joachim?
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:54 PM
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I don't speak Danish, but from what I understand from the machine translation, the reporter addressed Prince Joachim using the informal "you" rather than the formal "you"? And the reporter did it twice!

I don't see what the problem is. Prince Joachim is known to be very correct in the use of the Danish language...that's how he is. CP Frederik is less so.

But since this was an official event, Prince Joachim may have thought that the journalist should use the correct address when speaking to a member of the royal family.
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Apparently he's being called The Fool of the year 2010.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:06 PM
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I don't understand what the problem here is. I don't follow Joachim and Marie that much but I always thought they are a lovely couple.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
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The problem is that Ekstra Bladet is calling Prince Joachim arrogant for correcting the journalist for not addressing him properly.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:11 PM
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I have read that Joachim is thought of as aggorant by some of the Danes, perhaps something like this is why.
Could the Danes please let us know if it is correct, that he is thought of that way.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:19 PM
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From what I understand, he is the most formal of the two as compared with CP Frederik.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:22 PM
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Enough said.

Being impartial I will just be the messenger of latest news. News about Joachim.

Ekstra Bladet - Prins Joachim: rets nar 2010?
And you are being impartial by quoting Ekstra Bladet...

Ekstra Bladet is a tabloid, which very often use provocative journalism and they also tend to twist facts as such the paper is hardly the most credible source of information.
Among Ekstra Bladet's favourite victimes is the DRF.
This time Joachim, being labelled Fool of the Year for insisting that a TV2 reporter use formal you, when addressing him, despite that the reporter continued using informal you.

The TV2 reporter is clearly in the wrong here. If someone wish you to address them with last name and/or formal you, you respect that whether you like it or not. Period!
If you don't then you are rude, provocative, bad mannered and you look silly.
The DRF is the first family in DK and you show them respect by addressing them in the proper manner. - You salute the rank, not the man.

I for one perfectly understand and sympathise with Joachim. The reporter was deliberatly being provocative.

And judging from the comments is not like they are completely sympathetic towards the journalist.

In a recent poll in DK, journalists were considered among those people had least confidence in. No wonder!

Now, having done your job for you, Benedikte, perhaps you would care to explain to me, and slowly, what the point was with posting this link?

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I have read that Joachim is thought of as aggorant by some of the Danes, perhaps something like this is why.
Could the Danes please let us know if it is correct, that he is thought of that way.
Yes, quite a few consider him arrogant. Others, like myself, consider him regal.

He is very competent and very good at representing.
However he he is far from being as popular as Frederik and he certainly isn't that folksy.
In many ways he can be compared to QMII, who can be a bit stand off-ish. Where Prince Henrik is perhaps more easy going. And in that respect can be compared to Frederik.

That depends on how you look at them.

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Well this tread is about Marie and I'm writing about Marie in an objective way.

I'm only stating facts.

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Prince Joachim is a wonderful person. He is warm, sweet and loving. He has been through a hard time with many difficult things, but he is a very honest and patient person and I love him very much.

A naive Marie also noted to a journalist from Ekstra Bladet, when asked about her relationship to the Prince:
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EB: Are you in love?
M: I love him very much but that I think is something private and something I want to tell him myself.

EB: Have you told him that you love him?
M: No I have not said it yet, we don't talk like that yet.

On top of that there has been bad press about her.
Ekstra Bladet, reliable as always and they would never dream about twisting what people say, nor lure them into a trap.

Yes, I wasn't impressed about Marie to start with either. I considered her naive as well and dismissed her as a fling of Joachim.

Well, she learned and she hung on, despite the rather brutal baptism of fire she got.

Now I've grown to genuinely like her and respect her.
She's honest and open. When you see Marie, you see what she is. There is no Marie hidden away behind a mask. What you see is what you get.
That's being genuine and that's not the worst label you can get.
Being naive is not the same thing as being uneducated or unintelligent. The universities are full of naive people.

I like Marie's character, I like and respect her as a person and for her personality.
People's characters are in my eyes worth much more than their CVs, degrees or grades.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:53 PM
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And above all, Princess Marie is happy, she has made Prince Joachim happy again and together they have created at family a Shackenborg with little Prince Henrik and which Nikolai and Felix are also a part of.
Both Prince Joachim and Princess Marie are a happy team, both in work, sports and family life.
In the end, that's all that matters!
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:11 PM
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Princess Marie is making her mark on the Danish nation, more and more of the press is positive, you can see her in more and more roles representing the DRF, they will never be the first royal couple, but they are unique in their own way.
It's funny though that Joachim being into royal protocol should be the twice married and have a sort of more 21st century family, sharing custody, double sets of grandparents etc. Whilst I think Mary and Fred the more folksy couple, are never likely to divorce, not b/c they are a more perfect couple, but b/c they see preserving their marital bliss a matter of state and not only for them privately...not saying that they are not happy
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Well...there's already been a divorce in the family. And based on how the DRF has conducted themselves, they have provided a blue print of how a divorced royal couple can share a family life. I don't think you can say that Prince Joachim doesn't also see as preserving his second marriage as one of state. I don't think he would like a second failed marriage, with a second wife being supported by the state as his first wife is still being supported. I don't think that the Danes would look too kindly on that. So it is just as important for Prince Joachim that his second marriage doesn't fail either.
At least the current crop of CP Couples got married at mature ages and have chosen well matched partners. That bodes well for the marriages, I think.
Getting back to Joachim...remember, he married Marie at 39 years old. So obviously, he was far more mature than the 26 years at which he married Alexandra.
And it does appear to me that Marie's personality is a far better match for Joachim, and that he is obviously now very happy with his life.
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Muhler, thanks for letting us know what was in the article! I'm leery of entering these articles into a tranlator.

Benedikte, the interview that you posted with Marie...was that recent? It seems strange that at this point in time she wouldn't have told him that she loves him.
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:27 PM
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That interview was from 2007 I think. But I think that the interview is moot. The fact is, Joachim and Marie are now married and have a family. The past is the past.
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However he he is far from being as popular as Frederik and he certainly isn't that folksy.
In many ways he can be compared to QMII, who can be a bit stand off-ish. Where Prince Henrik is perhaps more easy going
It's interesting to me, Muhler, to hear you compare Prince Joachim to QMII. I agree that they do seem a lot alike in many ways, at least so far as we can tell not knowing them personally, but I've always had the impression that the queen is well loved, in addition to being respected, by the Danes. Certainly I would say she's much more popular than her more easy going husband. To me, rather than being stand offish, QMII at times seems a bit shy and even awkward, although with a very strong personality and almost formidable intellect to compensate.

I wonder if it isn't Joachim and his father who are more alike in certain ways that get them into trouble as far as public relations go. Frederik and the Queen seem to wear their ranks easily to me - perhaps they can afford to be more laid back because they're the monarch and the future monarch. Joachim and Henrik have always been 'just' the queen's consort or just the second son, and I imagine what comes across as arrogance, (in Joachim), and temper tantrums, (in Henrik), might be, at heart, insecurity.
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:49 PM
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Muhler, thanks for letting us know what was in the article! I'm leery of entering these articles into a tranlator.

Benedikte, the interview that you posted with Marie...was that recent? It seems strange that at this point in time she wouldn't have told him that she loves him.
Sorry, I failed to mention that.
The article was written right after it became known that Joachim had a relationship with Marie.

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It's interesting to me, Muhler, to hear you compare Prince Joachim to QMII. I agree that they do seem a lot alike in many ways, at least so far as we can tell not knowing them personally, but I've always had the impression that the queen is well loved, in addition to being respected, by the Danes. Certainly I would say she's much more popular than her more easy going husband. To me, rather than being stand offish, QMII at times seems a bit shy and even awkward, although with a very strong personality and almost formidable intellect to compensate.
Yes, the Queen is indeed personally very much liked. But she is not folksy and has never been folksy. And I agree, that is probably due to her being shy and akward. While Henrik on a personal basis appear to very easy going. With QMII you are also standing in front of a Majesty, and you are rarely in doubt about that! Hence my reference to being stand offish, if people become too familiar. - And she is, as you point ,out very intelligent, which many reporters have experienced first hand, when they've said something particularly silly....
I'd say QMII is admired, respected, well liked and aknowledged more than she is loved. Love is, in my eyes at least, a very strong word.
When I compare QMII and Joachim I see two very intelligent people who are also very competent at being royals. They are both brilliant at representing.
The difference is that Joachim is confident in the public glaze, while QMII, at least for many years, was uncomfortable. - As is Frederik.

Joachim is a very formal man, a very correct man, a very conservative man. But over the years I've learned more and more about his personal character. And the impression I have now, is that he is a genuinely good man. That is not the worst thing to say about any man.
He has changed somewhat since Marie entered his life. As QMII put: "And Spring entered your mind again (Joachim)". To see Joachim cry at his wedding, was something that took not only me but also the commentators completely by surprise.

Marie will in my opinion never be a threat to Mary. I doubt very much she would even wish to be in Mary's shoes. They are very different persons.
I have compared Marie to a younger sister. Someone you tease (hence: la Marie etc.), have fun with and wish to protect.
And Mary to a much older sister. Someone you respect and like and even look up to. But you don't tease her. Not in the same way. - This subjective view may not make much sense to you, but it really is difficult to explain how I feel about Mary and Marie.
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It's interesting to me, Muhler, to hear you compare Prince Joachim to QMII. I agree that they do seem a lot alike in many ways, at least so far as we can tell not knowing them personally, but I've always had the impression that the queen is well loved, in addition to being respected, by the Danes. Certainly I would say she's much more popular than her more easy going husband. To me, rather than being stand offish, QMII at times seems a bit shy and even awkward, although with a very strong personality and almost formidable intellect to compensate.

I wonder if it isn't Joachim and his father who are more alike in certain ways that get them into trouble as far as public relations go. Frederik and the Queen seem to wear their ranks easily to me - perhaps they can afford to be more laid back because they're the monarch and the future monarch. Joachim and Henrik have always been 'just' the queen's consort or just the second son, and I imagine what comes across as arrogance, (in Joachim), and temper tantrums, (in Henrik), might be, at heart, insecurity.
I agree

Prince Henrik has had temper tantrums about being number 2 and not 3. I don't think anyone was able to understand his odd behavior or his complaints.

And Joachim IMO just make a fool of himself because he wants to be adressed as a formel "you".

IMO he is embarassing himself insisting to be adressed with a formel "you", especially when you think of the scandals 6 years ago when he at a regularly basis was chasing girls at the age of 16 and 17. In the school nearby it was the topic on mondays who had been princess in the weekend. He must have been 37 or so himself.

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I agree

Prince Henrik has had temper tantrums about being number 2 and not 3. I don't think anyone was able to understand his odd behavior or his complaints.

And Joachim IMO just make a fool of himself because he wants to be adressed as a formel "you".

IMO he is embarassing himself insisting to be adressed with a formel "you", especially when you think of the scandals 6 years ago when he at a regularly basis was chasing girls at the age of 16 and 17. In the school nearby it was the topic on mondays who had been princess in the weekend. He must have been 37 or so himself.

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Oh yes, Se & Hør. - Se & Hør used to be the best magazine about royals and celebs in DK. Because they used to respect those they wrote about. In return they got lots of exclusives, interviews and private photo ops. - No longer.
The best they can hope for now is not being sued when they write about celebs. No more interviews, no more exclusives. - Except from the desperate reality show participant, who will do anything for any publicity.
So what is left? Unsubstanciated rumours and stories from anonymous sources.

You fail to mention that these stories surfaced after the separation, when Joachim was seen as the villain and while he was going through what was probably the most serious crisis of his life.
Alexandra got a mentioning too in Se & Hør, remember? She also went to night clubs, remember?
I would have gone on the odd binge as well, if I had been in Joachim's shoes.

Now, there were stories that he danced and flirted with young girls. (The age of concent in DK is fifteen). There are no stories that he actually took them anywhere. - And is it concievable that some of these girls might have walked up to Joachim themselves and flirted with him? Voluntarily? Without pressure? Not being coerced? No shotgun in the back?

Whatever happened, happened in the past. Everybody go through a crisis several times during their lives. Fortunately most come out on top afterwards. Are you going to point your finger at a person in that situation?
Have you never been through a crisis in your life? Have you never made mistakes? Have you never done something foolish?

Some people tend to forget that royals are human beings as well. That they have faults and that they sometimes react like human beings.

When you point you finger at a man in a personal crisis, remember that three fingers are pointing back on you.

Now, you also say Joachim is a fool for insiting on being addressed with formal you.
Would you address QMII with informal you?
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