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Old 07-29-2011, 12:57 PM
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Yes, exactly.

And on the other note, I agree with dbarn67, what is supposed to be innocent and normal can easily get manipulated these days, its a shame but true.
I fully understand what you are saying Duke of Marmalade & dbarn67.

I've only heard about Amalia and Alexia. You don't need to tell me any details, I really don't want to know.

My point is, and I'm being cynical here, royal children will appear in perverted fantasies simply because of their status. On the other hand they are much better protected from being molested than our children.

Sexual depictions or published sexual fantasies about any child, clothed or not, is considered child pornography in most European countries now.

If someone will use pictures of royal children in some perverted way, leave it to the police and move on. Because it will happen.
Let the children remain children and let them do what innocent children do. I.e.enjoy running around naked, pull up their dresses and so on, for a little while longer. Their childhood will end soon enough.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:07 PM
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I fully understand what you are saying Duke of Marmalade & dbarn67.

I've only heard about Amalia and Alexia. You don't need to tell me any details, I really don't want to know.

My point is, and I'm being cynical here, royal children will appear in perverted fantasies simply because of their status. On the other hand they are much better protected from being molested than our children.

Sexual depictions or published sexual fantasies about any child, clothed or not, is considered child pornography in most European countries now.

If someone will use pictures of royal children in some perverted way, leave it to the police and move on. Because it will happen.
Let the children remain children and let them do what innocent children do. I.e.enjoy running around naked, pull up their dresses and so on, for a little while longer. Their childhood will end soon enough.
Yes, I agree to a point, but as adults we are not just responsible for our children but others' too? ...at least that's what I believe. And royal parents are not like other parents, they have to be concerned because as sovereigns or future sovereigns shouldn't they be concerned to a higher degree over what could impacts all children, not just theirs? Let children have their childhoods but given them the privacy to "be".

My bff is a prosecutor in a crimes against children bureau so perhaps I'm extra conscious of how easy it is to harm children. And how incredibly diabolical the perverts are in getting what they want.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:53 PM
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Yes, I agree to a point, but as adults we are not just responsible for our children but others' too? ...at least that's what I believe. And royal parents are not like other parents, they have to be concerned because as sovereigns or future sovereigns shouldn't they be concerned to a higher degree over what could impacts all children, not just theirs? Let children have their childhoods but given them the privacy to "be".

My bff is a prosecutor in a crimes against children bureau so perhaps I'm extra conscious of how easy it is to harm children. And how incredibly diabolical the perverts are in getting what they want.
I understand your feelings. People who are attracted to children should seek help and I believe in the capital punishment for pedophiles who molest, simply because they are a threat to the most precious thing in our societies, our children.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with responsibility for other children. The royal families are living rolemodels, is that what you refer to?

But where is the limit to the lenghts we go to shield our children from potential pedophiles?
Let me try and explain what I mean in another way.
I'll be damned, pardon my for swearing, if my children should be covered up and limited in doing what children have alway done, just because there are people out there who will not seek help for their urges.
Where is the limit? Should we cover up our children up completely in order not to arouse some potential pedophile who must likely is not around anyway?
That's the exuse rapists have been using about women. If women only dressed more modestly....
No way! The women are not to blame, the parents are not to blame and the children certainly cannot be blamed. - The pedophiles are to be blamed.

As a man and as a father this is something that I feel differently from women. When our children were little my wife and I showered with them. That could now lead to us being arrested in several otherwise liberal countries.
We have a society now where there are almost no male teachers in kindergardens and nurseries. And where there are rules about male teachers not taking the children to the toilet, not being alone for more than a few minuttes with a child. - Not to protect the children, but to protect the teacher.
When I was young and my nieces began to reach puberty, I began to be more careful about touching them for fear of someone thinking bad about me. Only to learn that they felt I didn't like them as much as before. They didn't understand it - and that's how it ought to be.

Okay, again a loooong tirade from me, sorry.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:23 PM
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I understand your feelings. People who are attracted to children should seek help and I believe in the capital punishment for pedophiles who molest, simply because they are a threat to the most precious thing in our societies, our children.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with responsibility for other children. The royal families are living rolemodels, is that what you refer to?

But where is the limit to the lenghts we go to shield our children from potential pedophiles?
Let me try and explain what I mean in another way.
I'll be damned, pardon my for swearing, if my children should be covered up and limited in doing what children have alway done, just because there are people out there who will not seek help for their urges.
Where is the limit? Should we cover up our children up completely in order not to arouse some potential pedophile who must likely is not around anyway?
That's the exuse rapists have been using about women. If women only dressed more modestly....
No way! The women are not to blame, the parents are not to blame and the children certainly cannot be blamed. - The pedophiles are to be blamed.

As a man and as a father this is something that I feel differently from women. When our children were little my wife and I showered with them. That could now lead to us being arrested in several otherwise liberal countries.
We have a society now where there are almost no male teachers in kindergardens and nurseries. And where there are rules about male teachers not taking the children to the toilet, not being alone for more than a few minuttes with a child. - Not to protect the children, but to protect the teacher.
When I was young and my nieces began to reach puberty, I began to be more careful about touching them for fear of someone thinking bad about me. Only to learn that they felt I didn't like them as much as before. They didn't understand it - and that's how it ought to be.

Okay, again a loooong tirade from me, sorry.

What I mean is, traditionally royals were in their elevated positions and with that they ruled on behalf of their people. The ruled, therefore they were responsibility for policy on all things including criminal behaviors. They were governing heads who supposedly looked out for the best interests of all of their subjects (the ultimate highest momma and poppa). Nowadays, even without true power to set policy, they still have the responsibility (in my opinion) "look out" for their subjects if not in governance but in a standard of behavior. So while I agree that youngsters should be allowed to run around without clothes, play without someone dragging down their dresses etc. But I can understand M&F's anger over those pictures and applaud. We don't live in an idealized world. We live in a world with tele-photo lenses, photoshop and all manner of things that can be used to manipulate images that would be damaging to those same children's innocence and very diabolical and truely evil people both male and female.

I understand what you're trying to say with regard with where we draw the line. As I said above the world is not sweetness and light and it is our jobs as adults to provide a shield. It's unfortunate that you had to pull back from open displays of affection toward your nieces but I applaud that you did. Going back to my original point it's not just about me or you as individuals or even our families. I believe the laws are there to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. I guess its the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the one or the few.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:24 PM
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I dont think that would go down well with the Danish media.
Hopefully Mary and Frederik don't live their lives according to what will and won't go down well with the Danish media.

I think it's a perfectly reasonable expectation for anyone, public figure or not, to expect privacy in their own home, which is where they were when these recent pics were taken. If the Danish royals aren't overly bothered by these sorts of back yard pictures, (and the fact that they've never put up some sort of barrier or started any sort of legal action actually leads me to believe that they're not), then that's fine but, IMO, it doesn't make the fact that the pictures were taken in the first place ok.

To me the ethical difference between the pictures taken of the royal family on their private patio and the ones taken of, say, Mary and the children at a public event like the circus or swimming at a public beach is clear.

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I dont think that would go down well with the Danish media.
Hopefully Mary and Frederik don't live their lives according to what will and won't go down well with the Danish media.

I think it's a perfectly reasonable expectation for anyone, public figure or not, to expect privacy in their own home, which is where they were when these recent pics were taken. If the Danish royals aren't overly bothered by these sorts of back yard pictures, (and the fact that they've never put up some sort of barrier or started any sort of legal action actually leads me to believe that they're not), then that's fine but, IMO, it doesn't make the fact that the pictures were taken in the first place ok.

To me the ethical difference between the pictures taken of the royal family on their private patio and the ones taken of, say, Mary and the children at a public event like the circus or swimming at a public beach is clear.
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:48 PM
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I can hardly disagree much with what you are saying, dbarn67.

I'll just point out one thing:
I guess its the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the one or the few.

Yeah, except that "the few" now tends to include all adult males.

Slightly off topic. It reminds me of an episode when I was twenty or so. I was repairing a window frame at a school. Two girls, about twelve or thirteen came out and told me it was the window into the girl's changing room, which I didn't know as the window was frosted. And they cheekily asked whether I was spying on the girls.
I replied that I only look at big girls and they responded: "We are big girls". - To this day I haven't been able to come up with a reply.
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Old 07-29-2011, 04:12 PM
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:47 PM
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Nor with the DRF for that matter.
There is a great view from the terrace over the river, why spoil that with a wall?
And as it is very difficult for photographers to hide on that side of the chateau, they will know someone is there taking pictures. - And eventually they'll go away. Which is why I believe they ought to go out and meet the press, so that the magazines will have something to work with.

Don't know about the French legislation but according to Danish legislation such pictures are a clear breach of the law of privacy and should something similar happen at say Gråsten or Marselisborg and the DRF sued, they would win hands down.
That applies to ordinary citizens as well of course. If you come to where I live and you find the area so charming, that you simply must have a picture of the row of houses on the road, that would be acceptable, because that's not specifically aimed at anyone, also if you happen to photograph me in my garden.
However if you spot me in my front garden wearing my Borat-swimming costume (and don't go blind instantly) and decided to take a picture of me (that is, if the camera even works) that would be a clear breach of the laws of privacy. Especially if you published the picture. - You will have to get my permission first.

In all fairness I should add that if I really was in the habit of working in my front garden in the Borat outfit, the local police constable would come around and have a chat with me, as doing so in public view would be a borderline breach of the public decency. - Being nude would be a clear breach.

For those who are intrepid enough to look, here is what the outfit looks like: http://www.thepresentfinder.co.uk/im...1r8f8f2n2x.jpg
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This really fills me with dismay. These people whilst belonging to the royal family are not available 24/7 for public display. They perform their public duty and are pretty good in being photographed in public places even when they are not on duty. But to obtain fotos whilst they are in the privacy of what is essentially their home (even if it is a hotel when we are on holidays we regard our accommodation as our domain where we can relax and feel secure) makes me feel there is something really wrong about it particularly fotos of the kids when they are not supervised by adults. One foto from this series disturbed me as a parent where Isabella is looking straight down the camera its when no adults are around and its obvious the photographer has called out her name to get her to look in the right direction. I would really like to see these fotos removed from the royal forums I always thought that we were above this calibre of fotos for discussion.
Its really not right it wasnt right with Diana and its not right with the current royals. I would not like to feel I had contributed to any other fate similar to the one Diana was forced into.

As an Australian I am sure you are aware of something we call 'humour' ... please do not read any posts with a negative atittude towards the person who posted them, or read it as if it was written with a negative tone!
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Old 08-04-2011, 05:17 AM
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It's Thursday once again and Billed Bladet #31, has hit the streets.

The magazine this week is crammed to capacity with articles about the photoshoot at Gråsten and what the DRF has been up to down in Southern Jutland. Including the genuinely dramatic story of Ziggy, coming very, very close to being killed by a heavy truck. Not to mention pics of the twins, one pic being more cute than the other.
We also get an explanation as to why QMII and Mary left together after the memorial service last week.
- I don't know if I have time to write a summary about all that today. If not, the summary will be up tomorrow.
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1297869

We have a Q&A about why the Regent Couple move around the country.
And about who will inherit Berleburg if Prince Gustav dies without any heir.
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1297762
- Let me know if you are interested.

We have an article about the memorial service.
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1297647

Also a story about Joachim appearing on a radio show. He seems to have been in fine form!

And this:
Summary of article in Billed Bladet #31, 2011.
Ferie med vennerne - Holiday with the friends.
Written by the Ulrik Ulriksen.

M&F did not spend two weeks at Chateau de Cayx. The weather was pretty poor down there. Whether that was reason is not mentioned but M&F and Jeppe and Birgitte Handwerk went to Croatia after the first week and spend a week onboard the yacht Seagull II. The owner of that ship is Kim Vibe-Petersen, who also owns the yacht Parsifal III, where M&F spend a part of their holiday in 2007.
Apart from the Handwerks, at least the son of Kim Vibe-Pedersen, Sebastian, also joined M&F on the ship. There are no further specific details about their holiday off the coast of Croatia.

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Old 08-04-2011, 10:44 AM
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It's Thursday once again and Billed Bladet #31, has hit the streets.

The magazine this week is crammed to capacity with articles about the photoshoot at Gråsten and what the DRF has been up to down in Southern Jutland. Including the genuinely dramatic story of Ziggy, coming very, very close to being killed by a heavy truck. Not to mention pics of the twins, one pic being more cute than the other.
We also get an explanation as to why QMII and Mary left together after the memorial service last week.
- I don't know if I have time to write a summary about all that today. If not, the summary will be up tomorrow.

We have a Q&A about why the Regent Couple move around the country.
And about who will inherit Berleburg if Prince Gustav dies without any heir.
- Let me know if you are interested.

We have an article about the memorial service.
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1297647

Also a story about Joachim appearing on a radio show. He seems to have been in fine form!

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Summary of article in Billed Bladet #31, 2011.
Ferie med vennerne - Holiday with the friends.
Written by the Ulrik Ulriksen.

M&F did not spend two weeks at Chateau de Cayx. The weather was pretty poor down there. Whether that was reason is not mentioned but M&F and Jeppe and Birgitte Handwerk went to Croatia after the first week and spend a week onboard the yacht Seagull II. The owner of that ship is Kim Vibe-Petersen, who also owns the yacht Parsifal III, where M&F spend a part of their holiday in 2007.
Apart from the Handwerks, at least the son of Kim Vibe-Pedersen, Sebastian, also joined M&F on the ship. There are no further specific details about their holiday off the coast of Croatia.

You are welcome shari-aree
And I will add my thanks as well, Muhler! I am indeed very interested in this Berleburg story you mention as the appearance of Ms Axelsson and her not-quite-spouse jigged my memory regarding odd wills and questions of inheritance. In the first instance my heart went out to Princess Benedikte and her family during the photo shoot as their heads were quite literally cut off by photographers interested only in the Crown Princely brood. However, a bit of googling (thank goodness for summer holidays and time to do important research!) changed my opinion when I read about the Mexican Swedish interloper who has stolen the heart of the heir to Berleburg! How will all this end? Do fill me in please Muhler!
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Wow - thanks for the info. Muhler

Love the summer holiday photo's of Prince Vincent & Princess Josephine, just like their older siblings they are very cute!

An adorable family!
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Crown Princess Mary has been among the guests at a reception celebrating the 60th
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This gentleman has done a wonderful job organising all the details large and small, which make everything run smoothly for Her Majesty. The Lord Chamberlains who look after the royals do a tremendous job and it is nice to see the Queen gave him a befitting 60th birthday reception. Congratulations Mr Ullerup.
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What do you mean, biboquinhas? I remember that you've spotted Ziggy on some of the pics
of the holidays at Gråsten some weeks ago, don't you remember or do you mean something else?


Here are some additional pics of the birthday reception for Ove Ullerup on August 16:


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What happened to ziggy?
I heard that Ziggy almost got hit by a truck at Grasten, but all is well.
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Mary and Frederick attended the wedding of Anders Kirk Johansen today. Anders is the grandson of the founder of Legos.

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Prince Frederik and Princess Mary attended the wedding of Anders Kirk Johansens and Anja Buchwald, at Stouby Kirke in Vejle
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