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Old 05-18-2014, 12:08 PM
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when we talk about how the kids resemble their parents.. i see josephine has ...opposed christian,isabella,vincent..pretty dark eyes..they are certainly not blue as the three others so blue eyes..maybe she will end up with brown eyes as mary :)

http://kongehuset.dk/materialemappe/...lupsdag-10.img
Isabella most definitely has her father's bright blue eyes, but I think this picture of Josephine must have been saturated or taken in a different light, because while her eyes aren't the same bright blue as her sister's, they aren't dark hazel like her mother's. They are more of a blue-gray, like Vincent's and Christian's.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:55 AM
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Ekstra Bladet - Dinesen: Jeg kan bringe monarkiet i fare

can anyone translate this please? I might be mistaken but it sounds like a gossip scandal
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Old 05-19-2014, 10:54 AM
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I read the "article" earlier today and to summarise:

Mads Dinesen, who has recently been arrested on the charge of fraud, owned a popular night club in Copenhagen called NASA. Crown Prince Frederik has been partying on this night club several times.

A publisher contacted Dinesen about the prospect of anonymously writing a tell-all book on the celebrity night life in Copenhagen. Dinesen responds by saying that while the surveillance footage alone could "bring the monarchy in danger" and seriously damage top politician, he would never write a such book because what went on on NASA is none of other people's business.

I personally hardly think that this man (a criminal, mind you) could bring the monarchy in danger.
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Old 05-19-2014, 02:02 PM
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another Mille Markovich, who tried the same thing in Sweden and in the end there was nothing. 'I could bring the monarchy in jeopardy if...'
Just another pathetic attention seeker trying to make money. And if he has something in the closet, he should bring it to the table or shut up.

What could possibly shake the monarchy? Certainly not Frederik (or Joachim) dancing or even flirting with women, unless they were caught in the act with another woman (especially Fred) or taking drugs.
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Old 05-19-2014, 02:17 PM
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another Mille Markovich, who tried the same thing in Sweden and in the end there was nothing. 'I could bring the monarchy in jeopardy if...'
Just another pathetic attention seeker trying to make money. And if he has something in the closet, he should bring it to the table or shut up.

What could possibly shake the monarchy? Certainly not Frederik (or Joachim) dancing or even flirting with women, unless they were caught in the act with another woman (especially Fred) or taking drugs.
IMO the only realistic thing that could really shake the DRF nowadays would be killing or maiming someone while speeding.
Which is why QMII is wise in never sitting behind the wheel.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:00 PM
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I think it would be pretty damaging to see proof of Fred doing drugs or cheating on Mary, keeping in mind the happy family image they are selling. Having said that, the Danes are quite sympathetic with Fred, so he might get stigmatized as victim and get away with it/people being even more sympathetic with him.

I couldnt imagine anything on cctv in that night club that could bring the monarchy to its knees, not in Denmark.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:27 PM
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Admittedly, cheating would be severely damaging for M&F's image, no matter which one of them was to blame.
But with just a minimun of intelligent spin that could be turned into something positive. After all adultery is hardly a novelty among royals, as well as commoners, and all marriages have their ups and downs.
Modern monarchies have survived and is surviving adultery.

Even if M&F should divorce it would be very bad but survivable. I wouldn't envy any future wife of Frederik's though!

Even Frederik doing drugs could be turned into something positive especially if he was open about it. He could be a living role model for those who wish to kick the habit and put focus on the issue. A big scandal, yes, but survivable.

However, we must expect at least one of the children in the various monarchies today to be caught snorting cocaine at some point. I'd say it's almost statistically unavoidable.

My biggest concern is if a member of the DRF, especially M&F should kill or seriously hurt someone else. A normal traffic accident would be bad enough, though mostly tragic. But doing it while speeding, then we would have a really serious problem on our hands!
And the DRF members, Frederik, PH, Joachim and Queen Ingrid, certainly beforehand had a reputation for having a heavy foot.
I haven't heard anything in that regards for years though, so perhaps they've outgrown it or become more responsible now they are family men?

But then foreign royals have been observed speeding here in DK as well, so other monarchies face that risk too.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:29 PM
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Thank you for your explanation! I tend not to trust him and I think it's silly the statement "shake monarchy". I'm a bit reluctant though because I haven't had a great trust of Frederick since that footage of him flirting with a blonde girl THE NIGHT before the CHRISTENING. I know that 's a closed topic but since it happened ( video so can't deny it) i won't be surprised. Having said that these criminals are not even to take into consideration
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:40 PM
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Thank you for your explanation! I tend not to trust him and I think it's silly the statement "shake monarchy". I'm a bit reluctant though because I haven't had a great trust of Frederick since that footage of him flirting with a blonde girl THE NIGHT before the CHRISTENING. I know that 's a closed topic but since it happened ( video so can't deny it) i won't be surprised. Having said that these criminals are not even to take into consideration
That story?

It was taken completely apart, also here on TRF.

If you do some digging in the achive, you'll find all the information you need.
AFAIR the girl didn't even know she had been "flirting".
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:46 PM
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Well I still think he is not trustworthy but AGAIN that's MY OPINION. Can't see any good in partying with a blonde while the wife is at home with 2 newborns. That's my take of course. But I have also said that that article might be rubbish. Mine was just a reference
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The video with the blonde girl imo is harmless, it does not indicate cheating or anything other than Frederik in party-mode, having a drink or two.

What can possibly be caught on cctv - its either drugs or cheating. Its damaging, but wont destroy the monarchy, so I am not holding my breath. But as I said, I believe this is just about attention from a scumbag and it will go away quickly. Because if you come up with such mysterious allegations you need to be prepared to disclose names and sources, otherwise its pointless.
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That's true. I agree! We'll see but I think that nothing is going to happen
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Thank you for your explanation! I tend not to trust him and I think it's silly the statement "shake monarchy". I'm a bit reluctant though because I haven't had a great trust of Frederick since that footage of him flirting with a blonde girl THE NIGHT before the CHRISTENING. I know that 's a closed topic but since it happened ( video so can't deny it) i won't be surprised. Having said that these criminals are not even to take into consideration
Not this story again
I think this has been discussed before but I didnt see much flirting at all, the video was less then 30 secs, Frederik was also seen hugging a man.

I think he was in party mode a few days before the Christening plus I think Mary's brother John was in that bar that night. I remember they all had gone to a soccer match with Christian too.


Anyway, what is frustrating about declarations so vague like the one from the owner is that by default some guilt is already given toward members of the DRF. The thought that some people have "dirt on them", even if untrue.
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Old 05-19-2014, 04:26 PM
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I said that i think that story of NASA is untrue but again: I just quoted as an example that story of Fred in the nightclub and that's my opinion! I think (MY PERSONAL OPINION) he cheated on her. Other think it was nothing so everyone can say whatever they like!
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The video with the blonde girl imo is harmless, it does not indicate cheating or anything other than Frederik in party-mode, having a drink or two.

What can possibly be caught on cctv - its either drugs or cheating. Its damaging, but wont destroy the monarchy, so I am not holding my breath. But as I said, I believe this is just about attention from a scumbag and it will go away quickly. Because if you come up with such mysterious allegations you need to be prepared to disclose names and sources, otherwise its pointless.
Agree. A person who is facing trial for fraud, no less, can hardly be considered the most credible source for anything. He also "claims" he could bring down the political establishment. Yeah, yeah...
We've heard that one before.

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I said that i think that story of NASA is untrue but again: I just quoted as an example that story of Fred in the nightclub and that's my opinion! I think (MY PERSONAL OPINION) he cheated on her. Other think it was nothing so everyone can say whatever they like!
You don't have to shout, we're not blind.

You are perfectly entitled to believe what you want, however, if you want my opinion I'd say you've formed your opinion on a very tenous basis.
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I said that i think that story of NASA is untrue but again: I just quoted as an example that story of Fred in the nightclub and that's my opinion! I think (MY PERSONAL OPINION) he cheated on her. Other think it was nothing so everyone can say whatever they like!
On what grounds do you build your theory that Frederik has committed adultery? The video with the blonde woman? For as @polyesco said, he was also seen hugging a man – by the same train of thought, you could also claim that that makes him fumingly gay
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I'm for everyone's right to their opinion, and they have a right to it without having to justify themselves or offer grounds for their opinion.

I'm yet to see someone asking for another poster to justify his/her opinion for saying e.g. "Fred is gorgeous". As such, any grounds for that would be very tenuous as it's a mere perception by someone who doesn't know the person in question.

Could we please treat all opinions equally, i.e. allow people to have them.

Using caps LIKE THIS does not mean shouting, as caps are also used for emphasis.

As for speeding; Mary did horrendous speeding in their first year of marriage. She was driving a black Audi (I think it was, but may be wrong). She hasn't done it since, as far as I'm aware.
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I'm for everyone's right to their opinion, and they have a right to it without having to justify themselves or offer grounds for their opinion.

I'm yet to see someone asking for another poster to justify his/her opinion for saying e.g. "Fred is gorgeous". As such, any grounds for that would be very tenuous as it's a mere perception by someone who doesn't know the person in question.

Could we please treat all opinions equally, i.e. allow people to have them.

Using caps LIKE THIS does not mean shouting, as caps are also used for emphasis.
No one here has said people are not entitled to an opinion.

However, there is, I believe, a considerable difference from stating someone is gorgeous usually based on a photo, which it is easy to relate to for everybody else.

To claim that your are convinced that someone has committed adultery is a completely different matter.
If you do that, you must expect to be challenged. And that is what is happening here. That challenge is based on lots of previous posts and references to articles and clips here on TRF.

And in my book this is generally percieved as SHOUTING, while this is emphasizing.
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If Frederik were to have an extramarital affair, I have to believe that he would have it "behind closed doors" in the country home of a friend rather than in a bar in the middle of Copenhagen.
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I said that i think that story of NASA is untrue but again: I just quoted as an example that story of Fred in the nightclub and that's my opinion! I think (MY PERSONAL OPINION) he cheated on her. Other think it was nothing so everyone can say whatever they like!
I find it very hard to believe, that he would cheat on his wife in public, when he is out partying with his wifes brother....

And the "blond" in question is a good friend of the Handwerk's, who are among Mary and Frederik's closest friends.
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