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Old 12-23-2007, 11:57 AM
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The pictures of Fred & Mary are lovely, but dont like the ones under the tree.
At second glance, I agree with you. That's what I should have said.
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Old 12-23-2007, 01:59 PM
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I must say I agree with Lena... The photos with the kids are nice, but the shot of the "teenagers-look-alike" in the garden is just screaming: "Look how happy we are, despite the rumours!"! Too forced, if you want my opinion...
Poor Frederik and Mary - if they don't pose for pictures there is trouble in paradise, and when they do it is forced - they just can't win....
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:04 PM
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Poor Frederik and Mary - if they don't pose for pictures there is trouble in paradise, and when they do it is forced - they just can't win....
They can win by looking naturaly happy together at their public events and not only at staged pre orderd photoshoots like this one
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:47 PM
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None of us has a clue what goes on behind their closed doors. It is not our business to assume anything. Can you imagine having your every waking moment in the public spotlight for people to tear apart when they see one thing that does not fit what THEY think might be right, or wrong. We all have good days and not so good days with spouses, family and children. I am sure there was tension going on that the children did not act up. Good heavens can you imagine the comments if that would have happened.

They do not belong to us every moment of their lives. They are entitled to their privacy just as everyone else is. Why find something wrong with such beautiful pictures! They took the time to have these done so the public would have new pictures of the children. Just as we all have been requesting for months.
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None of us has a clue what goes on behind their closed doors. It is not our business to assume anything.
True, but then again why publish these photos in the first place? To play the DA here: By doing this and responding to negative allegations they simply opened the flood gates. Furthermore, they are in the spotlight. Frederik and Mary are the future King and Queen of Denmark.

The citizens of Denmark pay for their lifestyle/upkeep. They do have to right to know where there money is going, to know what their royals are doing and so forth. Does that mean prying into the very intimate details of their lives? Unfortunately for them, yes; in this day and age, sorry to say this, but absolutely. That is the price they have to pay. Sadly for the royals of today this is the reality whether they like it or not. I don't agree with it and sure I do feel a tad bad for them, but hey that's the way the ball bounces.

Do royals, in general, have the right to privacy? Sure, but it's impossible, compared to actors, because they are in a slightly different position.

Let's not be naive about it, nor should they, the intrusion is all apart of the game. If they don't want to play anymore, they can always bow out. It's as simple as that. It won't go away completely, but it would ease off slightly.
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:45 PM
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: It is not our business to assume anything.
Sure it is, but that does not make our assumptions true or right.

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None of us has a clue what goes on behind their closed doors.
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True, but then again why publish these photos in the first place? To play the DA here: By doing this and responding to negative allegations they simply opened the flood gates. Furthermore, they are in the spotlight. Frederik and Mary are the future King and Queen of Denmark.

The citizens of Denmark pay for their lifestyle/upkeep. They do have to right to know where there money is going, to know what their royals are doing and so forth. Does that mean prying into the very intimate details of their lives? Unfortunately for them, yes; in this day and age, sorry to say this, but absolutely. That is the price they have to pay. Sadly for the royals of today this is the reality whether they like it or not. I don't agree with it and sure I do feel a tad bad for them, but hey that's the way the ball bounces.

Do royals, in general, have the right to privacy? Sure, but it's impossible, compared to actors, because they are in a slightly different position.

Let's not be naive about it, nor should they, the intrusion is all apart of the game. If they don't want to play anymore, they can always bow out. It's as simple as that. It won't go away completely, but it would ease off slightly.
In that case, they have employed an effective strategy without issuing a statement, which also makes it clear that they are not going to bow anytime soon!
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Can you clarify that because I am not exactly sure what you mean?
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:31 PM
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True, but then again why publish these photos in the first place? To play the DA here: By doing this and responding to negative allegations they simply opened the flood gates. Furthermore, they are in the spotlight. Frederik and Mary are the future King and Queen of Denmark.
If they don't want to play anymore, they can always bow out. It's as simple as that. It won't go away completely, but it would ease off slightly.
Playing devil's advocate as well, they are responding to the negative allegations without responding if you will. They are using a silent tool which is a lot more effective than issuing a statement.

I read somewhere that the QM is brilliant at turning negatives events/rumors into positives, which is very much in evidence here and quite clever if you ask me.

I hope I made myself clearer
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:08 PM
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Playing devil's advocate as well, they are responding to the negative allegations without responding if you will. They are using a silent tool which is a lot more effective than issuing a statement.

I read somewhere that the QM is brilliant at turning negatives events/rumors into positives, which is very much in evidence here and quite clever if you ask me.

I hope I made myself clearer


Yes, however, some may view it as making the situation[s] slightly worse. Already people, for and against, note that the interview along with the happy family and couple photos seems out of place/dare I say forced (which may be too harsh of a word, in my opinion.) Do you understand what I mean? If that is their silent tool, as you stated, some may view it as having back fired.

Perhaps the Crown Prince couple should not have released the 34 new photos along with an extensive interview addressing negative allegations, Frederik's horrible childhood, and so on.

From my perspective, it would have been better to release one or two photos of the family as well as addressing specific issues (i.e. how the kids are doing, etc.) To discuss anything more is going a bit overboard.

Sometimes it is best to be simple or not to say anything at all; just a brief "We're doing well and thank you for the well wishes, we appreciate it." Instead of going into an extensive diatribe.

Please don't get me wrong, as an American I admire and support the DRF and have been interested in them for a long time; so please don't take my thoughts as a negative.

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Old 12-23-2007, 05:55 PM
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I am very confused. You are telling me Mary and Fredrick doing pictures in their home is all a show because of the book. Why then when MM and CPH did the same thing in their home it was not a show for the public? Everyone love those photos, but yet these are for nothing but show because of a book.

Every royal has had pictures made in their homes of their children, but it is wrong if Fredrick and Mary do the same thing. It could not possibly be two young couples that are very much in love with each other, wanting to show their children off for the holidays because they know people are waiting to see the children. I am sorry I do not get it at all. What is OK for one royal family is not OK for the others. There seems to be double standards going on.
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No, you are incorrect. Please re-read what I had said... again.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:14 PM
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Already people, for and against, note that the interview along with the happy family and couple photos seems out of place/dare I say forced (which may be too harsh of a word, in my opinion.)

Sometimes it is best to be simple or not to say anything at all; just a brief "We're doing well and thank you for the well wishes, we appreciate it." Instead of going into an extensive diatribe.

Considering the fact that some people will allways rip to pieces whatever this couple does it wouldn't make a difference. If one wants to find fault with something one will find it no matter what.

I believe in general a lot people, especially Danes, will enjoy this pictures and the interview tremendously. Only few will remember Trine Villemann and her book. Most people will be hard pressed to find the desperate Crown Princess, painted by Trine especially in interviews, in this pictures who show a happy and satisfied young woman and mother. The same goes for Frederik too. Hard to believe this man should still waste a thought on one of his former girlfriends.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:20 PM
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I am a bit bored with all these suggestions what might go on behind closed doors or that their photoshoot was purely enforced or posed in order to calm down some rumours although I think that F & M's way of dealing with the media is not exactly helpful. I have already commented on the shoot with the children, I thought the pics were lovely and not staged at all.

I'd like to add that

- FOR MY PERSONAL TASTE, the shoot with the two of them is a bit too much, some pics are really nice but in general it's quite unnecessary to publish that many pics, two or three would have been enough. They are not models but the CP couple, after all.

- FOR MY PERSONAL TASTE, they reveal far too much. All these personal interviews, eg the one in NY or this one, talking about detailed issues of their feelings or private lifes (such as Fred's childhood or where the children sleep), does open a door for all kind of speculations or tabloid articles. I wonder why they cannot keep some issues to themselves. In total this is quite over the top. The pics could have been merged to one series with let's say ten pics and everyone would have been happy. Why this interview. Just don't get it. I personally don't think it's staged or done with the sole purpose of demonstrating a happy marriage but I can understand why people do believe it's exactly like that. I rather believe it has been done because they want some nice PR for themselves as especially the last half of 2007 has been quite unkind.

I don't think that their marriage is in trouble at all and regarding all those posts claiming their marriage must be in trouble as they don't produce these loving looks & gestures as eg the Asturias couple - I don't read too much into it as some people simply don't prefer to show their feelings in public. Some behave quite emotional, some rather rational but both types are able to live a happy relationship. And I still remember a certain british CP couple who was able to fool the public for almost about a decade with loving gestures and lovely Xmas cards until the world finally had to read and could not believe what actually had happend behind closed doors. Loving looks & gestures or missing loving looks & gestures don't prove anything - either way, at least for royals, actors or other people who depend on the public's mercy or goodwill.
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Considering the fact that some people will allways rip to pieces whatever this couple does it wouldn't make a difference. If one wants to find fault with something one will find it no matter what.
I know you are right, and I am the one that always looks for the rainbows regardless of the gray clouds. I just think all the young royals are doing an amazing job of raising their families and trying to do their duties.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:25 PM
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Yes, however, some may view it as making the situation[s] slightly worse. Already people, for and against, note that the interview along with the happy family and couple photos seems out of place/dare I say forced (which may be too harsh of a word, in my opinion.) Do you understand what I mean? If that is their silent tool, as you stated, some may view it as having back fired.

Perhaps the Crown Prince couple should not have released the 34 new photos along with an extensive interview addressing negative allegations, Frederik's horrible childhood, and so on.

From my perspective, it would have been better to release one or two photos of the family as well as addressing specific issues (i.e. how the kids are doing, etc.) To discuss anything more is going a bit overboard.

Sometimes it is best to be simple or not to say anything at all; just a brief "We're doing well and thank you for the well wishes, we appreciate it." Instead of going into an extensive diatribe.

Please don't get me wrong, as an American I admire and support the DRF and have been interested in them for a long time; so please don't take my thoughts as a negative.

I understand your view and agree with your overall point, except I don't think it has or will backfire. Those who dislike the couple will view the pictures with cynicism as always, they'll find something where none exist and that's never going to change. However, those who are pro or in the middle will be happy to see the happy family in case they had doubts. The pictures are indeed beautiful, even if the numbers are excessive. And, unless the went to drama school, they can't fake those smiles.
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I'm not even considering those people simply because, like you stated, "will allways rip to pieces whatever this couple does..." However, there are many who don't feel strongly one way or the other who would disagree with you regarding this statement: "...will enjoy this pictures and the interview tremendously..."

My point is why add fuel to the fire? Isn't it best to ignore those who try and bring you down? Isn't it best to turn the other cheek and as a result one will be the better person? The whole book situation really didn't affect the DRF or specifically TCP all that much, so why push or hint, slightly, to it? The same supporters of TCP are no different than those who say negative things about Mary and Frederik. It's unfortunate that both sides cannot see that.

As for the 34 photos and extensive interview, I don't think it was necessary. Simplicity is stronger in the end.



Finally, I want to thank those for participating in an interesting as well as thoughtful discussion so far. Keep it up.


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FOR MY PERSONAL TASTE, the shoot with the two of them is a bit too much, some pics are really nice but in general it's quite unnecessary to publish that many pics, two or three would have been enough. They are not models but the CP couple, after all.

- FOR MY PERSONAL TASTE, they reveal far too much. All these personal interviews, eg the one in NY or this one, talking about detailed issues of their feelings or private lifes (such as Fred's childhood or where the children sleep), does open a door for all kind of speculations or tabloid articles. I wonder why they cannot keep some issues to themselves. In total this is quite over the top. The pics could have been merged to one series with let's say ten pics and everyone would have been happy. Why this interview. Just don't get it. I personally don't think it's staged or done with the sole purpose of demonstrating a happy marriage but I can understand why people do believe it's exactly like that. I rather believe it has been done because they want some nice PR for themselves as especially the last half of 2007 has been quite unkind.

I concur. Adding more to the bonfire than necessary. The more one (specifically they) puts out there the more the masses will begin to speculate and question as well as ask themselves, "Why?"



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Jeez, it's Christmas guys! Can't we just look at some nice photos without negative thoughts for a change?

Some of the photos are very nice, some of them are a little so-so IMO. Is that their real Christmas tree? If so, why is it so small?
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I may be cynical, but I can't help but wonder why now? If they want their private life to be private why have pictures like this inside their home? Could they not have done some photos at a different location? (think Willem & Maxima) As for other royals, Spanish Christmas cards are a tradition for many years, Norwegians seem to have decided on Christmas and summer photo shoots, as for the others I don't know. Is this going to be a new tradition with the crownprince couple, because once you open the door to your private life it is hard to shut it again.

Well, why not now? It is Christmas, after all, and I'm guessing people in Denmark are happy to see the young couple with their family.

Their kids are adorable, and I enjoyed seeing their parents as a couple. What beautiful grounds! Is that by their home?
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Yes, Emmily, it is their private home.
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Jeez, it's Christmas guys! Can't we just look at some nice photos without negative thoughts for a change?

Some of the photos are very nice, some of them are a little so-so IMO. Is that their real Christmas tree? If so, why is it so small?
Thanks JessRulz you are so right! Maybe the Christmas tree is for the children?
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