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Congratulations to the couple!
 
An engagement in the family!

The engagement was announced 27 July, 2020, between Prince Frederick Nicholas Stormont [Fritzi] von Preussen [born London 11 June, 1990], son of Prince Frederick Nicholas von Preussen [born London, 3 May, 1946], by his wife Victoria, Princess von Preussen [nee the Hon Victoria Lucinda Mancroft, born 7 March, 1952], & Mathilda Noel Johnson [born 1989], elder daughter of Mr Rupert C.F. Johnson, by his wife the former Simonetta D.F. Barber.

Prince Frederick is a great-great grandson of Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany [1859-1941], and a great-great-great-great grandson of HM Queen Victoria [1819-1901]. Frederick is a grandson maternally of the 2nd Baron Mancroft [1914-87].

Source: Peerage News site.
 
Somebody said:
Looks like his new wife could be pregnant.
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The link shows the name if the bride :D
Jenny von Rumohr
She is wellknown in Berlin as an early supportant for refugees with accomodation and other stuff providing by an organisation (Malteser)she works for.
 
If she in fact were pregnant, a baby should have been born already.
 
CyrilVladisla said:
Helen, Has the daughter's name been given?
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not officially as far as I know. this part of the prussian family is very reluctant, though Alexander's parents are often spotted on "red" carpet events, like local parties&events at Munich and south germany.
 
I wonder whether they met in Maastricht as both of them studied there around the same time: Jenny graduating (Bachelor) in 2008 and Alexander in 2009 (Master).
 
Helen.CH said:
The link shows the name if the bride :D
Jenny von Rumohr
She is wellknown in Berlin as an early supportant for refugees with accomodation and other stuff providing by an organisation (Malteser)she works for.
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Von Rumohr is a family belonging to the Uradel based in Holstein (the German-Danish area) with a branch in Norway. Jenny is a daughter of Joachim and Amélie von Rumohr née Freiin von Holzing-Berstett. With two noble parents making this alliance Standesgemäß.
 
CyrilVladisla said:
:previous: What does StandesgemaB refer to?
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Standesgemäß = belonging to the same group, for an example blue blood with blue blood, gentry with gentry, haute bourgeoisie with haute bougeoisie, old money with old money

Ebenbürtig = more strict, like Uradel with Uradel, meaning that for an example an alliance of partners from high nobility with low nobility was seen as a mésalliance, often leading to a morganatic marriage.

The marriage is Standesgemäß for many House Laws but would probably not have been acceptable for the Kaiser in old times as it is not Ebenbürtig.
 
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Duc_et_Pair said:
Standesgemäß = belonging to the same group, for an example blue blood with blue blood, gentry with gentry, haute bourgeoisie with haute bougeoisie, old money with old money

Ebenbürtig = more strict, like Uradel with Uradel, meaning that for an example an alliance of partners from high nobility with low nobility was seen as a mésalliance, often leading to a morganatic marriage.

The marriage is Standesgemäß for many House Laws but would probably not have been acceptable for the Kaiser in old times as it is not Ebenbürtig.
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AFAIK "standesgemäß" and "ebenbürtig" mean the same. Though there might be internal meanings within certain circles of the former nobility, but IMHO it is clear that being of "comparable birth" = ebenbürtig means "standesgemäß" (as it is common within one's rank).
 
Kataryn said:
AFAIK "standesgemäß" and "ebenbürtig" mean the same. Though there might be internal meanings within certain circles of the former nobility, but IMHO it is clear that being of "comparable birth" = ebenbürtig means "standesgemäß" (as it is common within one's rank).
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Wouldn't an example of the difference between the two terms be that while the rumoured marriage between the future Karl I of Austria-Hungary and a Hohenlohe princess would have been ebenbürtig her ancestry was considered to insignificant by Emperor Franz Joseph for a future empress and therefore the match would not be standesgemäßig?
 
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A marriage in the family!

Prince (Frederick) Alexander of Prussia (b.15 November 1984) [son of Prince Andrew of Prussia (b.1947) & his late wife Alexandra, nee Blahova (1947-2019)] married Honourable Antalya Stephanie Lauren Nall-Cain (b. 1987) [daughter of Charles Ronald George Nall-Cain, 3rd Baron Brocket (born 1952) & his former first wife Isabell Maria Lorenzo] at St John's Church, Lemsford (England) on 26 September.

Sources: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/202...-marriage.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle..._Baron_Brocket
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...et-gets-ancestral-home-daughters-wedding.html
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/prussia.html
http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2020/10/prince-alexander-von-preussen-marries.html

Exactly four weeks earlier, the groom's only sister Princess Tatiana of Prussia (b.1980) & her husband Philipp Womack (b.1981) had twin daughters Xenia & Amalia.
They also have a son Arthur (21-11-2015).
What a joyous year for Prince Andrew! Two new granddaughters from a daughter and a son's marriage!
 
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JR76 said:
Wouldn't an example of the difference between the two terms be that while the rumoured marriage between the future Karl I of Austria-Hungary and a Hohenlohe princess would have been ebenbürtig her ancestry was considered to insignificant by Emperor Franz Joseph for a future empress and therefore the match would not be standesgemäßig?
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I share your opinion!

Another example would be the marriage between Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria and Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz.

Officially, it's ebenbürtig because Windisch-Graetz family is on the list of families that were allowed to intermarry with the Habsburgs. All mediatized Princely families of the Holy Roman Empire were on the list.

But, unofficially it was considered a mésalliance, a marriage with a person thought to be unsuitable, which would be "not standesgemäßig".
 
Biri said:
Prince (Frederick) Alexander of Prussia (b.15 November 1984) [son of Prince Andrew of Prussia (b.1947) & his late wife Alexandra, nee Blahova (1947-2019)] married Honourable Antalya Stephanie Lauren Nall-Cain (b. 1987) [daughter of Charles Ronald George Nall-Cain, 3rd Baron Brocket (born 1952) & his former first wife Isabell Maria Lorenzo] at St John's Church, Lemsford (England) on 26 September.

Sources: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/202...-marriage.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle..._Baron_Brocket
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...et-gets-ancestral-home-daughters-wedding.html
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/prussia.html
Royal Musings: Prince Alexander von Preussen marries a Baron's daughter

Exactly four weeks earlier, the groom's only sister Princess Tatiana of Prussia (b.1980) & her husband Philipp Womack (b.1981) had twin daughters Xenia & Amalia.
They also have a son Arthur (21-11-2015).
What a joyous year for Prince Andrew! Two new granddaughters from a daughter and a son's marriage!
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"The Hon. Antalya Nall-Cain, Princess von Preussen has shared three new pictures from her wedding to Prince Frederick Alexander von Preussen that took place on September 27th, 2020 in Hertfordshire"


https://twitter.com/x/status/1344562212569030656
 
Congratulations to the couple!
 
And now Fritzi's eldest sister, Princess Beatrice is getting married!

The engagement was announced between Princess Beatrice Victoria von Preussen (b.10 February 1981) [descended from the Royal House of Prussia, daughter of Prince Frederick Nicholas von Preussen (b.1946) & his wife, Honourable Victoria Lucinda Mancroft (b. 1952)] {herself daughter of the 2nd Baron Mancroft (1914-1987) & his wife Diana Elizabeth, nee Lloyd (who died 1999)} & Edmund Henry Jenner (born 30 September 1984) [son of Miles Anthony Jenner (b. 1952) & his wife Sally, nee Abbott] on 20 September.

Princess Beatrice's sister, Princess Florence von Preussen (born 28 July 1983) is married to Honourable James Tollemache (born 28 August 1980) [second son of the 5th Baron Tollemache (b.1939)] since 2014; they have two daughters: Sylvie (2-3-2016) & Minna (b.2017).
Another sister, Princess Augusta von Preussen (born 15 December 1986) is married to Caspar Helmore (b. 1987) since 2015; they have a son Otto (11-8-2018) and a daughter Honor (8-9-2020).
And only brother, Prince Frederick von Preussen, known as Fritzi (b.11 June 1990) married Mathilda Johnson (b.1989) on 25 May.

So Beatrice is the eldest child of her parents and last one who marries.

Edmund Jenner is a member of a Sussex brewing family.

Queen Victoria [1819-1901] > Victoria, Princess Royal [1840-1901] > Wilhelm II, German Emperor [1859-1941] > Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Germany [1882-1951] > Prince Friedrich of Prussia [1911-66] > Prince Frederick von Preussen [b 1946] > Princess Beatrice von Preussen [b 1981].
 
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"rexonvert" is not necesarry as being baptized into the protestant church remains always,
so the only difference would be he'd have to pay tax again to the protestants which as a member to orthodox church in Germany does not exist.
as he works in spain I really doubt it.
 
Biri said:
I have a question concerning Prince Franz Wilhelm: did he reconvert to Lutheranism after the divorce from Grand Duchess Maria?
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Prince Franz Wilhelm retained his Russian Orthodox faith.
 
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