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Old 09-24-2010, 05:27 AM
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Only the Prussians, the Württembergs, the Bavarians, the Hanovarians and the Markgrafen of Meißen ( Kingdom of Saxony, not to be mixed up with the three duchy's of saxony) are royal houses. So their members are all royal highnesses. HRH/ TRH

Some heads of some (grand) ducal houses ( f. ex. Oldenburg ) are also royal highnesses, BUT only the heads ( and their wifes). It was a given privilege by the emperor/ kings.

Luxemburg is a grand duchy and their members are royal highnesse, because theiy come from a royal house. The Lichtensteins and Grimaldis don't, so they are Seren Highnesses.

Also the members of Land- and Markgräfliche houses are sometimes royal highnesses, when their heads had the right to vote the german emperors - read more on wikipedia ! ( f.ex a part of the Hessen-family )

All the other ( grand) ducal houses are only highnesses. HH/ TH

The most princes are serene highnesses except some heads, who may have the privilege to call themselves highness ( and their wifes). HSH/ TSH

The counts/ countesses are their excellencies. HE/ TE

Imperial Highnesses are the Habsburgs, the japanese family and the heads of the romanov family ( so the big lady and Georgi). HIH/ TIH.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:31 AM
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This means, that only the persons, that were born during the german empire to the house of prussia were imperial highnesses ( an their wifes of course). The german empire ended in 1918.
Georg Friedrich was born far after 1918 :). So he is only a royal highness, because he is formerly just the heir of the throne of prussia. To be an imperial highness he must be voted by the counties/ federal states/ free cities of germany.
As far as I know, only the German Crown Prince and the German Crown Princess were Imperial and Royal Highnesses, but all the other members of the Prussian Royal House were/are "mere" Royal Highnesses, beyond they were born before or after the end of the Empire.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:32 AM
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This means, that only the persons, that were born during the german empire to the house of prussia were imperial highnesses ( an their wifes of course).
Actually I think it was just the Crown Prince and his wife who were Imperial Highnesses while all the other children of the Emperor (who of course was also an Imperial Highness as well as his wife) were just Royal Highnesses.
So Crown Prince Wilhelm and his wife Cecilie were the last German Imperial Highnesses.
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Old 09-24-2010, 06:20 AM
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Actually I think it was just the Crown Prince and his wife who were Imperial Highnesses while all the other children of the Emperor (who of course was also an Imperial Highness as well as his wife) were just Royal Highnesses.
So Crown Prince Wilhelm and his wife Cecilie were the last German Imperial Highnesses.
Yes it where the Crown Prine and his spuse and since 1918 the Head of the House and his spouse. So Georg Friedrich is His Imperial and Royal Highness as was the late Prince Louis Ferdinand.
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Old 09-24-2010, 06:23 AM
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Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm the Head of the princely line of Hohenzollern died last night at the age of 86. He had already since a few yearts health-problems.

suedkurier.de | Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm ist tot
Yesterday the funeral took place. Here ist the report on it including a picture gallery on the right handside:

suedkurier.de | Friedrich Wilhelm beerdigt

Unfortunatly there are no names included in the gallery. However, you might be able to discover one or the other member of German royalty or otherwise well known people. E.g. Pic 24 Prince Bernhard of Baden and his wife Stephanie, Pic 38 Tanja Gönner, a lawyer, CDU politician and member of the Baden-Württemberg Landesregierung, and Pic 70 seems to be the youngest child of Fürstin Gloria ....
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:00 AM
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May be you are right about the fact, that except the crown prince couple no one was imperial highness ( Viktoria Luise f ex. was just a royal highness, I just looked it up ), but nevertheless Georg Friedrich styles himself also just as a royal highness on his internet page Preussen.de - Heute.

So I come to the point, that he is no imperial highness.

Luis Ferdinand was, because he was born before 1913 and, although, being the second child, he became imperial highness instead of his older brother after his morganatic marriage.

Historians negate, that Georg is an imperial highess and in many other media he is referred mostly as royal highness or if he is referred as imperial highness, its written in brackets.

May be its hard to say, but see it that way:

If monarchy returns to Germany, Georg will be from one moment to the other King of Prussia. BUT NOT Emperor, because to be an emperor like his greatgrandfathers all royal and noble men and presidents of free cities, that have the right to VOTE the emperor, will have to come together and make him emperor.

A german emperor in style of the old empire ( 1871-1913) cannot exsist, if not voted !

Eventhough Freidrch Wilhelm and Wilhelm II were heirs, they had to be affirmed by the national union.
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:34 AM
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Yesterday the funeral took place. Here ist the report on it including a picture gallery on the right handside:

suedkurier.de | Friedrich Wilhelm beerdigt

Unfortunatly there are no names included in the gallery. However, you might be able to discover one or the other member of German royalty or otherwise well known people. E.g. Pic 24 Prince Bernhard of Baden and his wife Stephanie, Pic 38 Tanja Gönner, a lawyer, CDU politician and member of the Baden-Württemberg Landesregierung, and Pic 70 seems to be the youngest child of Fürstin Gloria ....
Isn't Archduke Martin of Austria-Este in picture 35?
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:04 AM
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Isn't Archduke Martin of Austria-Este in picture 35?
That is Duke Friedrich of Württemberg.
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:05 PM
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Oh, right, thanks for the correction!
And did anyone from the Austrian Imperial Family attend the funeral?
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:54 PM
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Poor Karl! He looked really sad

How was the relationship between father and son?
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:22 PM
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Oh, right, thanks for the correction!
And did anyone from the Austrian Imperial Family attend the funeral?
There was a big number of Royal Guests. As i was there a little report.

As i was in Sigmaringen today a small report: the first guests arrived at the Church short after 10h00.
Among theose i recognized:
Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia,
Duke Carl, Duke Friedrich and Duke Ferdinand of Württemberg
Margrave Max, Margravine Valerie, Hereditary Prince Bernhard, Hereditary Princess Stephanie, Prince Leopold and Prince Michael of Baden
Landgrave Moritz of Hesse
Fürst Alexander zu Schaumbrug-Lippe
Archduke Joseph, Archduchess Maria and Archduke Michael of Austria
Duke Max and Duchess Elizabeth in Bavaria, Prince Leopold, Princess Ursula, Prince Manuel, Prince Adalbert and Princess Sandra of Bavaria
Prince Constantin of Liechtenstein
Prince Michael and Princess Dagmar of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Fürt Kraft and Hereditary Prince Kraft zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen
Hereditary Count Karl-Eugen and Hereditary Coutness Andrea of Neipperg
Hereditary Count Erich and Hereditary Countess Mathilde of Waldburg zu Zeil and Trauchburg
Fürst Albrt of Thurn and Taxis
Fürstin Heinrich and Fürstin Paula zu Fürstenberg
Prince Andreas and Princess Luise zu Hohenlohe-Langenbrug
Count Hans-Veit zu Toerring-Jettenbach
Fürst Mariano Hugo zu Windisch-Graetz
Fürst Johann Friedrich zu Castell-Rüdenhausen and at last one of his brothers
Count Gustav zu Solms-Laubach
Count Alexander of Schönburg-Glauchau
Fürst Philipp zu Stolberg-Wernigerode
Prince Maximilian zu Ysenburg and Büdingen
Count Hans Veit zu Toerring-Jettenbach
Fürst Andreas and Fürstin Alexandra zu Leiningen
Prince Karl-Emich and Prince Isabelle zu Leiningen
Duke Borwin zu Mecklenburg
The children and silbing of the late Fürst arrived at the back of the Church out of the opublic. After the service already had started Prince Ferfried of Hohenzollern arrived together with another Couple. The Service lasted for about 2 hours. Prayer where read among others by some of the grandchildren. I could follow all on a bigs scree outside the Church. At the end of the Service the coffin was carried outside. After a while all people outside could go into the Church to pay their last respect to the late Fürst. I then saw that the guest left at the back of the Church and went there to see them going. But the new Fürst and his brothers had either already left ot taken another way outisde. But i could no also see Prince Johann Georg of Hohenzollern under the guests leaving wo either walked to the Castle or where droven in Cars.
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Is it true that Zizi Lambrino's grandson, Paul, was invited at this event?

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Legally, Karl Friedrich is not a prince. He has the surname Fürst von Hohenzollern.
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No that's wrong. In his passport his name is Karl Friedrich Prinz von Hohenzollern. German law doesn't know any noble titles. After 1918 the minor family title after the head became part of the name of all family members.

When there was a King, know the family members are prince and princess AND additional Duke and Ducches; except Würrtemberg - they call themselves only Duke and Ducches.
Example: Iris Prinzessin von Sachsen Herzogin zu Sachsen. Sophie Prinzessin von Bayern, Herzogin in Bayern.When there was a grandduke, today all are named as Duke of xyz like Friedrich Herzog von Oldenburg.

When there was a Fürst, today all are Prince and princess like Albert Prinz von Thurn und Taxis.

When there was a minor Fürst, today only the head is a prince and the rest Count(ess) like Donata Gräfin von Castell-Rhüdenhausen.
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On a very twisted way, I guess one could say that the Duchess Elizabeth of Bavaria represented the Douglas family, at one point related to the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringens through the second wedding of Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal (née H-S).

I am still looking for a photo of her 2nd husband, Count Douglas.
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Discussion of titles has been moved to the German Royal & Noble Titles and Protocols thread.
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Pictures of Prince Karl Friedrich and his wife Princess Katharina Nina of Hohenzollern at the annual christmas market on Sigmaringen castle.

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Fürst Karl Friedrich was a guest at a German talkshow

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Princess Alexandra lives with her daughters now?
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Which is the reaction of the House of Hohenzollern about the Romanian Royal Decree of the 10th of May 2011 in which the links of the Romanian Royal House with the Hohenzollerns are considered over?
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