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Old 09-19-2010, 06:48 AM
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The 1923 Romaniam Constitution (the last constitution approved while Romania was still a Kingdom) settled the succession "from male to male in order of primogeniture and with the perpetual exclusion of women and their descendants"; this means that, according to that provision, the successor to King Michael will be the Fürst of Hohenzollern (who btw has declared not to be interested in the Romanian succession).
This was until 2007, when King Michael changed the succession rules, allowing women to succeed to the throne and excluding the Hohenzollern relatives from the succession; so his heir is his eldest daughter Margarita.
The problem is that some think that being Michael a constitutional monarch he can't change the succession law (previously contained in the Constitution), because only the Parliament can amend the Constitution; thus, according to this theory, the succession is still following the 1923 provisions.
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Only the parliament can change the laws of succession in Romania and HM King Mihai I wished that in his family document.Theoretically now HRH Prince Karl is Heir to the romanian Throne.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:46 PM
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How closely related are the Furst of Hohenzollern and King Michael? This is fascinating stuff. I've recently become more interested in this (very) extended family since reading a profile of Prinz Georg Friederich in MAJESTY. Before this, all I really knew of these connections was the WWI Kaiser's connection to Queen Victoria. Now I'm learning more about these branches thanks to the kind responses here. Thank you.
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Old 09-20-2010, 04:45 AM
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King Michael and the late Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm of Hohenzollern were second cousins, being both great-grandchildren of Fürst Leopold and Fürstin Antonia of Hohenzollern.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:41 PM
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Fürst Leopold von Hohenzollern > Fürst Wilhelm > Fürst Friedrich > Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm
Fürst Leopold von Hohenzollern > Ferdinand, King of Romania > Carol, King of Romania > Michael, King of Romania
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Old 09-20-2010, 08:59 PM
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Thank you, Warren and Mafan. Second cousins are fairly close relations in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:15 PM
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Is there a photo of the new Erbprinz Alexander?
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Here's a pic from June 2008. The woman is Claudia Sieben.

-> Erbprinz Alexander von Hohenzollern

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Thanks Warren!

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What does the title Erbprinz mean?

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What does the title Erbprinz mean?
Erbprinz means hereditary prince
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Thank you for the reply, Saschana. I know that "hereditary prince" is a European term, and as such I'm not very familiar with it. Does it mean the prince who'll inherit the "top spot" in the family; i.e. the heir to a principality?


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Thank you for the reply, Saschana. I know that "hereditary prince" is a European term, and as such I'm not very familiar with it. Does it mean the prince who'll inherit the "top spot" in the family; i.e. the heir to a principality?
Back in the day when Germany was still a monarchy mostly the heirs apparents (oldest sons / nearest male relative) of the duchys, margravates and landgravates were called 'Erbprinz', while the heirs to the throne of the different kings or the emperor were called 'Kronprinz' (crown prince).
Today there are no official titles like that in Germany anymore (they are all called Prince, Duke,...) but some families still use those names because of their tradition and to show whose the heir and next head of the family, for example the Badens or Anhalts as well as some other formerly sovereign or mediatized families. They can call themselves 'Erbprinz' but it is not official, so it's not their legal name. Same applies to other titles like 'Fürst', for example Alexander Fürst von Schaumburg-Lippe's official name is Prinz von Schaumburg-Lippe, but he calls himself and is well known as 'Fürst' to show that he is the head of the family.

In other (still existing) European monarchies I believe it is just Guillaume of Luxembourg who has a similar title - Hereditary Grand Duke (Erbgroßherzog in German)
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Funeral of Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm

Courtesy of Marlene Eilers, from her highly-recommended blog Royal Musings

Attendees at the funeral of the late Fürst von Hohenzollern included:

Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia
The Duke of Württemberg
The Margrave of Baden
The Hereditary Prince and Princess of Baden
The Prince of Schaumburg-Lippe
The Prince of Fürstenberg
The Prince of Thurn und Taxis
The Prince and Princess of Waldburg-Wolfegg
The Hereditary Prince and Princess of Waldburg-Zeil
Duke Max and Duchess Elisabeth in Bavaria
Prince and Princess Leopold of Bavaria
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Thank you, Saschana. That was the impression that I had of what "hereditary prince" meant. I appreciate the fuller information, though.

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Back in the day when Germany was still a monarchy mostly the heirs apparents (oldest sons / nearest male relative) of the duchys, margravates and landgravates were called 'Erbprinz', while the heirs to the throne of the different kings or the emperor were called 'Kronprinz' (crown prince).
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It's nice to see that three of the highest ranking german royals were there.
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How many of these dignitaries can be considered Royal Highnesses, as distinct from Highnesses and Serene Highnesses?


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Attendees at the funeral of the late Fürst von Hohenzollern included:

Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia
The Duke of Württemberg
The Margrave of Baden
The Hereditary Prince and Princess of Baden
The Prince of Schaumburg-Lippe
The Prince of Fürstenberg
The Prince of Thurn und Taxis
The Prince and Princess of Waldburg-Wolfegg
The Hereditary Prince and Princess of Waldburg-Zeil
Duke Max and Duchess Elisabeth in Bavaria
Prince and Princess Leopold of Bavaria
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How many of these dignitaries can be considered Royal Highnesses, as distinct from Highnesses and Serene Highnesses?
I would say 9: Georg Friedrich who is also an Imperial Highness, the Badens, the duke of Wurttemberg and the Bavarias.
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Georg Friedrich is NOT an imperial highness, because the german emperor was VOTED by unificated german countries.

Only the kindom of prussia was the prussians inheritage.

The three german emperors were called: German Emperor AND King of Prussia !!!!

This means, that only the persons, that were born during the german empire to the house of prussia were imperial highnesses ( an their wifes of course). The german empire ended in 1918.
Georg Friedrich was born far after 1918 :). So he is only a royal highness, because he is formerly just the heir of the throne of prussia. To be an imperial highness he must be voted by the counties/ federal states/ free cities of germany.

An hereditary emperial throne of germany has never exsisted in that way: Both, the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire ( 1871 - 1913) were actually voted emipres. Only the late austrian empire, the russian empire and the napoleonic something were hereditary empires.
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