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01-29-2011, 08:19 AM
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I believe the Will requires the Head and the heir to marry equally, or lose all succession and inheritance rights.
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I understood this also...but Georg Friedrich's uncle who has married a Reventlow is next in line,after him his son...so this union is obviously treated equal...
There was once a Reventlow Queen of Denmark who was forced into retreat after her husbands death because she was considered not good enough by birth..
There was also her sister who was good enough to be Duchess of Schleswig-Holstein-Ploen,so this means there were different rules depending on a House...
That's why I was asking is anything stipulated in Wilhelm's will or was in generally said that it had to be of "high birth"?
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There was a case of a wedding similar to Christian Sigismund and Nina's in the past: in 1914 Prince Oskar, one of Wilhelm II's sons, married to Countess Ina-Marie von Bassewitz, who was born from a noble Family, but not mediatized and definitely not royal. The marriage was firstly considered as morganatic, but a few years later in 1919 it was acknowledged by the Emperor as equal.
I suppose it is the Head of the House to decide what is equal or not, as it happens in several other houses.
I can also guess that when Christian Sigismund married, there was a sort of necessity that his marriage didn't cause him the loss of his rights of succession (because Louis Ferdinand was quite old, and it was likely that he died before Georg Friedrich reached the age of majority, and in this case it would have been important that Christian Sigismund was dinastically able to act as "regent"); in such a situation, even a mere Countess from a noble-but-not-so-much-noble family may have appeard as an equal bride for the Prince (especially if compared to the commoner wives of Louis Ferdinand's eldest sons).
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I think also that it's the head of the House who dewcides and that now the bride has to be noble. The Wedding of Prince Wilhelm-Karl to Armgard von Veltheim in 1952 was approved and also the Wedding of his son Oskar to Auguste Zimmermann von Siefart in 1992. Wilhelm-Karl was quietfar back in the succession when he married as but when Prince Oscar married in 1992 there where only Prince Georg Friedrich, Prince Christian Sigismund, Prince Christian Ludwig, his father Prince Wilhelm-Karl and his older brother Wilhelm-Karl before him as all other have cased to be dynasts.
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01-29-2011, 12:39 PM
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Thank you for all your answers...I was just interested in criteria concerning acceptable brides...The one who were noble but haven't been accepted were the ones such as:
-Dorothea von Salviati
-Ehrengard von Reden
-Brigitte von Dallwitz-Wegner
-Lady Brigid Guinness
Accepted,apart from mentioned above was also:
-Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein
Not sure about Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden,Lady Hermione Stuart or Adelheid von Bockum gennant Dolffs...
So,from now on it is up to Georg Friedrich to decide according to Wilhelm's will or no matter what is says in the will he will decide who could be considered equal and who can't...
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Ehrengard von Reden didn't count as Friedrich Wilhelm had already renounced his rights before his first marriage.
And Brigitte von Dallwitz-Wegner was not noble she is not a von only Dallwitz-Wegner.
And as far as i know Lady Brigid Guiness was accepted as equal.
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01-29-2011, 05:07 PM
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Ehrengard von Reden didn't count as Friedrich Wilhelm had already renounced his rights before his first marriage.
And Brigitte von Dallwitz-Wegner was not noble she is not a von only Dallwitz-Wegner.
And as far as i know Lady Brigid Guiness was accepted as equal.
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I think I read somewhere that Marlene Koenig or someone else e-mailed to Prince Michael about his wife and that he wrote back that she is indeed von...
It makes sense of what you write because in some genealogy sites she is referred as von and in some not...that is the puzzle!
You are also right about Lady Guinness,but unfortunately none of her sons married equally...
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The oldest actually married a Honourable but i believe he didn't ask for consent. And Marlene has pointed out somewhere that the father of Birgitte was adopted or something like this.
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That makes sense...Thank you Stefan! ;-)
It is interesting to know which marriage is treated as "equal" and what are the criteria of the House of Hohenzollern concerning that!
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No - a mediated house is considered equal
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Can anyone tell me,does the will stipulate that the Heir should marry a member of just sovereign and mediatized families or just a member of "uradel"?
I am asking this because of Georg Friedrich's uncle Christian Sigismund,.the marriage is considered good enough as he is next in line..He is married to Countess Nina zu Reventlow...
Reventlow family is neither sovereign nor mediatized,but the were reischsgrafen from 18th century and a very old family...
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It didn't matter who Friedrich Wilhelm married after his first divorce. He was non-existant as a dynast.
See my book about the nonsense regarding Birgitta Dallwitz ... she is NOT A MEMBER OF THE VON DALLWITZ FAMILY!
Lady Brigid was certainly equal although the kids were first registered with the name Mansfield.
Lady Hermione was equal.
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Thank you for all your answers...I was just interested in criteria concerning acceptable brides...The one who were noble but haven't been accepted were the ones such as:
-Dorothea von Salviati
-Ehrengard von Reden
-Brigitte von Dallwitz-Wegner
-Lady Brigid Guinness
Accepted,apart from mentioned above was also:
-Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein
Not sure about Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden,Lady Hermione Stuart or Adelheid von Bockum gennant Dolffs...
So,from now on it is up to Georg Friedrich to decide according to Wilhelm's will or no matter what is says in the will he will decide who could be considered equal and who can't...
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The British von Preussens are largely far removed - although all the living descendants were involved in the lawsuit although the outcome affected only 2 people.
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The oldest actually married a Honourable but i believe he didn't ask for consent. And Marlene has pointed out somewhere that the father of Birgitte was adopted or something like this.
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Does anyone know if Prince Georg Friedrich will be invited to the wedding of Prince William or to Prince Albert's wedding as the head of the house of Hohenzollern. I mean he was invited to the wedding of Crown Prince Felipe of Spain and Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark. I don't understand why I don't see Prince Georg in most royal weddings when most of the reigning royal houses have German blood, take the wedding of Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden, you see the Crown prince of Yugoslavia and Princess Margarita of Romania, why can't they invite someone is more honourable and has a more royal lineage like Prince Georg or Grand Duchess Maria of Russia
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Never forget that Georg is a business man with a fulltime job and a second job with a lot responsibility ( head of the house) and he is anyway not that much into publicity ( no engagement interview in no magazine :( ).
He will be invited to both weddings for sure, because Empress Friedrich was a princess royal and he has connection to Monaco by Ernst. BUT I don't think he'll come to Monaco wedding, because it's the prussian's family jubilee this year with many duties in the summer ( and Ernst might also NOT come  ).
I guess he'll join William's wedding - perfect possibilty to introduce Sophie.
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IYou are also right about Lady Guinness,but unfortunately none of her sons married equally...
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However, her daughter married quite well. Princess Antonia is currently the Marchioness of Douro. Her husband, the Marquess, is the eldest son of the 95 year-old Duke of Wellington.
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Never forget that Georg is a business man with a fulltime job and a second job with a lot responsibility ( head of the house) and he is anyway not that much into publicity ( no engagement interview in no magazine :( ).
He will be invited to both weddings for sure, because Empress Friedrich was a princess royal and he has connection to Monaco by Ernst. BUT I don't think he'll come to Monaco wedding, because it's the prussian's family jubilee this year with many duties in the summer ( and Ernst might also NOT come ).
I guess he'll join William's wedding - perfect possibilty to introduce Sophie. |
I hope you are right, It would be so nice to see him in the wedding of William with HSH Princess Sophie. Are there any calendar of events for the celebration of the 950th year of the house of Hohenzollern?
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I would love to see Georg Friedrich at William and Kate's wedding, but I would be somewhat surprised. It seems to me that the German/Austrian royals and the British royals don't interact act that much anymore. Am I wrong?
Also, my memory fails me. What are Georg Friedrich and Sophie's professions?
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AFAIK no German Royal House got an invite.
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03-06-2011, 09:11 AM
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AFAIK no German Royal House got an invite.
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I think some of them will get an invitation due to connection with Prince Philipp as descendants of his sisters were all from German houses and so close relatives...
His first cousin Princess Margaretha von Baden attended the Christmas lunch at Windsor this year...
Somehow I don't think that Georg is invited...I would like that so much,but I do not believe :-(
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It would be a shame I think that GF would not have been invited. I hope he is.
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03-14-2011, 08:59 PM
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I heard saw in a thread here that people can actually write to royalty, I was wondering if anyone has ever written to HI&RH Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia? Most of the people of who wrote letters in the thread wrote to reigning royal families. So I'm wondering would it be possible to write to HI&RH Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia? If so, How?
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