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Old 11-27-2009, 07:52 AM
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Smile Why not Regional?

Regional monarchies would be fine with me (Wittelsbach, Wettins, Hohenzollern, Hannoverian, Hessian, etc.). I really don't see where any would agree on a national monarch today. That has seemed to be the history of the German states until the 1800s anyway...
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:47 AM
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A discussion about restoration of the monarchy in germany is pure nonsens. May be we go into that when we can elect our Head of State (Bundespräsident) by our selves and not through the Bundesversammlung.
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Regional monarchies would be fine with me (Wittelsbach, Wettins, Hohenzollern, Hannoverian, Hessian, etc.). I really don't see where any would agree on a national monarch today. That has seemed to be the history of the German states until the 1800s anyway...
Maybe the national monarch could rotate between the regions, like Malaysia.
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A capital suggestion, also Malaysia has a couple of regional monarchies that are rotational in themselves. So those 'dynasties without' a modern state to corespond to could also have a four or five year turn. Besides it works in the UAE as well.
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Malaysia has NINE Sultans. Every five years one of them is elected Yang di-Pertuan Agong (effectively 'King of Malaysia'), usually but not always in rotation.
The UAE is a federation of seven emirates. The President of the UAE is the Ruler of Abu Dhabi and the Vice President is the Ruler of Dubai. There is no rotation.
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:43 AM
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Maybe the national monarch could rotate between the regions, like Malaysia.
The only time we are ever likely to hear this suggestion from German media would certainly be on 1st April Neither the politicians nor the population in Germany want the monarchy back, in whatever form.
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:46 AM
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Monarchies are not coming back, the only way monarchies are going is down. There is no chance.
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Monarchies are not coming back, the only way monarchies are going is down. There is no chance.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:30 AM
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Not coming back? In my lifetime I've seen restorations in Spain and Cambodia (with a change of Monarch there to boot). So I don't rule anything out. Case in point Republican Rome => Imperial Rome in antiquity.
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Niedersachsen should restore the Windsors as King of Hannover. The Ernst Augusts were never any good at it.
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:22 PM
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I wonder if a restoration would be more palatable if the term for the sovereign was King rather than Emperor. Calling someone an Emperor implies that there's an Empire, and perhaps the Germans don't want to resurrect memories of German empire-building. The last Emperor among the Windsors was George VI, and I don't think that the loss of the title Emperor/Empress has damaged the prestige of the House of Windsor.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:51 AM
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A Restauration in Germany?Maybe in a Disneyland sort of setting,but other then that,no,it won't happen.Our neighbours to the East are fond of watching footage and having Royalty around,foreign Royalty that is,it is treated with the utmost respect,especially the Swedish and Dutch Royal Families have an enormous goodwill.But to transform into a Monarchy again is soo against the will of the vast majority of Germans that it will never happen.It's a total non issue there.The former ruling families of Germany enjoy respect,some more then others,one of the best respected being the Bavarian House of Wittelsbach and the Württembergs.
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Niedersachsen should restore the Windsors as King of Hannover. The Ernst Augusts were never any good at it.
????????Windsor?????????? Why would people in Niedersachsen want an English king? We (I am from Niedersachsen) don't even want a German king! Even if EA of Hanover were a more respected person, we wouldn’t want a king. Besides Niedersachsen is not at all the same territory as the former kingdom of Hannover. People in large parts of Niedersachsen have no ties at all with the Hanovers. AND constitution wise there is no way that one Bundesland could change into a kingdom again. To try to do that would completely disrupt the German society. No thanks! In Germany we have finally reached unity (ok, we are still struggling with making east and west grow together, but it’s getting on), we have a stable, democratic state, we have a peaceful coextence with our neighbours and see ourselves as part of the European "family". There clearly is no way that the German people want to change our form of state.
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They you would have first to part the country Baden-Württemberg again.
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:56 PM
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This is far-fetched and so, but still interesting discussion even if there are zero chances of such a thing ever happening.

Anyway, the German Empire when formed in 1871 was a federal state, much like the US, Canada and Australia are. And today's Federal Republic of Germany maintains the formula of a federal state, in which case the nation is composed of states with inherent jurisdiction and the federal government's powers are only those that the states have given to them.

There is a line of thought among some that the deposition of German and Austrian monarchies in 1918 was not a good thing, that the perceived vacuum left the door open to totalitarianism. However, Kaiser Wilhelm III was very much the culprit in this war, so the loss of the throne was no surprise. Perhaps there is certain merit in this argument, but what there are a few things that are certain:

- many in Hanover never accepted the loss of Hanover's independence in 1866. From then until WWII, there was a political movement with Reichstag representation dedicated to restoring the state of Hanover.

- similarly, in Bavaria, there was and to a degree still is a separatist movement. Separatism and monarchism were fairly strong sentiments in Bavaria during the Weimar Republic. Bavarians always saw themselves differently from the rest of Germany, culturally they have many things in common with Austria. Austrians and Bavarians can be said to form an ethnic subgroup, while Alemannic people (i.e. German-speaking Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Voralberg, Swabia and Baden-Württemberg) form another.

- there is no doubt that in a few German states, and most notably Bavaria, many and perhaps a majority of people have never accepted the their royal houses being deposed. Certainly the Wittelsbachs are still highly respected in Bavaria, and the Württembergs seem to be as well.

The influence of Germany's aristocratic class, despite the derecognition of any and all titles, remained strong long after, and that includes having at least one President of the Federal Republic- namely Richard von Weiszäcker, who was also President at the time of reunification.
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However, Kaiser Wilhelm III was very much the culprit in this war, so the loss of the throne was no surprise.
I am not an expert on WW1 or Wilhelm II, but I think this statement is incorrect or at least debatable. From what I've read, Wilhelm tried to stop the war but was pushed on by his ministers.
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:52 AM
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I am not an expert on WW1 or Wilhelm II, but I think this statement is incorrect or at least debatable. From what I've read, Wilhelm tried to stop the war but was pushed on by his ministers.
I should have said "considered to be a culprit".

But the differences in attitudes in Germany post-WWI make an interesting case study. There was not a large "monarchist movement" as such (like in France, where you had three distinct such movements who remain politically influential today) but in places like Hanover and Bavaria, there was a definite monarchist current- which in turn was as much an anti-Prussian thing (since Prussia was the dominant state of pre-WWII Germany) as a monarchist one. Remember that in 1866, Hanover, Nassau and the Free City of Frankfurt had all been absorbed into Prussia- the House of Nassau later took the throne of Luxembourg.

The German Empire was a federation of states whose political systems varied. On a federal level, there was universal male suffrage for the Reichstag- rare at the time, while in the later 19th century the foundations for the modern welfare state were also being laid. The states were either constitutional monarchies (suffrage varied between states), absolute monarchies, and the free cities of Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck were republics. So the Reich was a true federation like the United States, but the constituent states actually had varying forms of government.
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A restoration of the German monarchy would have to be considerably watered down from the grand, autocratic Imperial past remembered today by historians and those who know anything about German history. And even so, would it be for the kingdom of Prussia or the united Germany of today? This sounds silly but there may be some in Hesse- Kassal or Schleswig- Holstein, maybe, who would like to see those once small grand duchies rise to the level of kingship held by the Hohenzollerns, no matter how long ago it was.

And what would the role of the royal family be in the modern Germany? Many monarchies try to borrow a little from the past to make themselves seem more appealing, with the monarchy as a theoretically never- ending link to the past. How could you celebrate a past that many historians and scholars have told us was corrupt, imperialistic, and autocratic? There are great things about Germany and bad things, and the monarchy in Germany saw some very bad times (not as horrible as the Nazis though).
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Since the leadership of the federal republic worked long and hard to present the post-WWII German state as the antithesis to the Germany of 1871-1945, "the other Germany", a restoration looks impossible.
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