Restoration of the Monarchy in Brazil


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cmbruno said:
You said "The Imperial Family wants much more than this." What to they want? They don't receive media coverage, so maybe you could enlighten us. It would be very helpful.
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Yes, I can say what the Imperial Family wants to do.

http://www.monarquia.org.br/PDFs/propostas.pdf

That's what the Restoration will do for Brazil, I'll provide a translation later.
 
Are the current members independently wealthy? Are they "middle class"? How do they make a living?

I am not seeing monarchy happening in Brazil. I kind of see Brazil as too non traditional to take that up. An up and coming country, abuzz with untapped energy and pizzazz.

The current demonstrations also make me think that this issue is far, far from the general population's minds right now.
 
AfricanAUSSIE said:
Are the current members independently wealthy? Are they "middle class"? How do they make a living?
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The Imperial Family is middle class.

Prince Luiz, Head of the Imperial House, is graduated in Chemistry by the University of Munich and in French by the University of Paris.

Prince Bertrand, Prince Imperial of Brazil, is a lawyer. He and Prince Luiz never worked, because they devoted their lives to the Monarchist Movement, always travelling arount the country, to promote Monarchism, presiding over meeting and giving interviews. The two Princes lives in a rented house in São Paulo. They receive donations from Monarchists (including my father and my grandfather).

Prince Antônio, the third in the Line of Succession, worked as Engineer, but he's now retired. His Royal Highness is also an accomplished watercolorist.

Princess Cristina (neé Princess of Ligne), wife of Prince Antônio, is a housewife. But Her Royal Highness also works with charities supporting mentally disabled children.

Prince Rafael, fourth in the Line of Succession, is a engineer of production, he works for AmBev, a big company here in Brazil.

Princess Amélia, fifth in the Line, is an architect. Her Royal Highness lives and works in London.

Princess Maria Gabriela, the sixth in Line, has recently graduated from University, where she studied Social Comunication.

Prince Antônio and Princess Cristina lives in Rio de Janeiro, with two of their children (Prince Rafael and Princess Maria Gabriela). They also have a house in Petrópolis.

Princess Isabel, who is sister of the Head of the Imperial House, woked as a social worker. Her Royal Highness also served as President of the Brazilian Red Cross. She lives in a apartament in Rio de Janeiro. Since her mother's death, in 2011, Her Royal Highness, who is unmarried and childless, lives alone.

Princess Eleonora, younger sister of the Head of the Imperial House, is married to the Prince of Ligne. Her Royal Highness lives in Belgium, with her family. She has a quite important role envolving charities.
 
Thank you very much BrazilianEmpire, a very thorough response. Middle class to be sure and getting on with life.:flowers:

I wonder, will you and your family be "knitted" if they are ever restored?;)
 
AfricanAUSSIE said:
I wonder, will you and your family be "knitted" if they are ever restored?;)
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Well, I come from a very traditional family. My parents come from families who were part of the Imperial Aristocracy.

We support the Imperial Family since the Independence. Help the Imperial House is something we do simply because of loyalty.
 
And I'm sure, or at least hope, the Imperial Family appreciates their loyal followers.
 
Baroness of Books said:
And I'm sure, or at least hope, the Imperial Family appreciates their loyal followers.
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Oh, they are very grateful toward us, the Monarchists, and they really appreciate our efforts.

Prince Bertrand once said to me that he feels very moved by all the support the Imperial Family receives, especially by young people.
 
BrazilianEmpire said:
Well, I come from a very traditional family. My parents come from families who were part of the Imperial Aristocracy.

We support the Imperial Family since the Independence. Help the Imperial House is something we do simply because of loyalty.
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Well now that is very interesting. My mother is from families who were part of the Portuguese Royal houses (we have 2 coat of arms) and we were brought up in very strict and socially confined environment with all those lovely rules of who you can associate with, how and when. How to behave, sit, dress and so on. When we, by sheer accident, came upon Australia, we (myself and sibling) found a sense of freedom like no other. The shekels were well and truly removed and we haven't looked back. My mother, of course, did not find the change to her favour but my father found the experience to be a great adventure. He was not from royal blood but was a highly educated and genteel man. He was a diplomat for the Portuguese government.

How interesting that you are a supporter of monarchy and I am not. I have always struggled with the idea of being privileged for no apparent reason but for an accident of birth. Although I find the history very interesting I don't accept that one should "rule" or be of influence unless one earns that position and the respect of the people by servitude, works, commitment and ability.

It could be argued that many of our leaders are truly undeserving, but at least, in a democratic society, we can kick them out! No so with the royals. Just look at William of England. Does that look like a man who wants the job?

Having said that, I fully understand and respect your commitment and support of your Imperial family. They are very fortunate to have you on board. I admire your commitment and dedication BrazilianEmpire.:kiss:
 
AfricanAUSSIE said:
Having said that, I fully understand and respect your commitment and support of your Imperial family. They are very fortunate to have you on board. I admire your commitment and dedication BrazilianEmpire.:kiss:
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Oh, there was no way to be different. I was raised in a extremely Monarchist environment.

We have a picture of the Head of the Imperial House hanged on living room wall, mom taught me how to bow by the age of four, and she taught my two sisters how to curtsy at the same age.

I'm used to meet with Princes and Princesses since an early age, and I know very well how to behave in front of them.

The Brazilian aristocracy is very united, even a hundred years after the fall of the Monarchy.
 
BrazilianEmpire said:
Oh, there was no way to be different. I was raised in a extremely Monarchist environment.

We have a picture of the Head of the Imperial House hanged on living room wall, mom taught me how to bow by the age of four, and she taught my two sisters how to curtsy at the same age.

I'm used to meet with Princes and Princesses since an early age, and I know very well how to behave in front of them.

The Brazilian aristocracy is very united, even a hundred years after the fall of the Monarchy.
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Wow! That is dedication, commitment and unity indeed! All I had to go through was the deportment lessons since I was very, very little. And all that social who is who staff.

Our lot was not united, quite the opposite. You have aroused my interest in the Brazilian Imperial family. I shall have to google them now...thanks a lot!:p
 
AfricanAUSSIE said:
You have aroused my interest in the Brazilian Imperial family. I shall have to google them now...thanks a lot!:p
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Oh, so nice that you got interest about "my" Royals! Any question about the Brazilian Imperial Family, just ask me!:flowers:
 
The Head of the Imperial House is HIH Prince Dom Luis Gastao of Braganza Orleans.
 
AfricanAUSSIE said:
Well, well...I see I find family discord after all BrazilianEmpire.

The Imperial Family of Brazil

So we have TWO possible heads of the Brazilian Imperial family. Yep, always the way.:whistling:
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Not exactly, A.A. Until 2007, there was the rightful heir to the Brazilian Throne, His Imperial and Royal Highness Prince Luiz, Head of the Brazilian Imperial House, and his jealous and ambitious first cousin once removed, His Royal Highness Prince Pedro Gastão, 3º Prince of Orleans-Braganza, who wanted the Throne for himself.

Why? The history begins in 1908, when the eldest son of Princess Isabel (1846-1921), Head of the Brazilian Imperial House, Prince Pedro de Alcântara (1875-1940), decided to marry with Countess Elisabeth Dobržensky de Dobrženicz (1875-1951). As the Countess was not from Royal Blood, Princess Isabel decided that his son should renounce his rights to Brazilian Throne, and that was what he did. He renounced for himself and all his descendants. Here it is the document the Prince signed:

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/931187_371761106262704_226229542_n.jpg

Princess Isabel's second son, Prince Luiz Maria (1878-1920), become the Prince Imperial, heir to Headship of the Brazilian Imperial House, but he died a year before his mother. So, when Princess Isabel died, in 1921, her grandson, Prince Pedro Henrique (1909-1981), succeed her, as Head of the Brazilian Imperial House and Emperor de jure of Brazil.

During all his life, Prince Pedro de Alcântara supported his nephew, never trying to reclaim his succession rights. After the Prince's death, in 1940, his eldest son, Prince Pedro Gastão (1913-2007), started to say that he was the rightful Emperor of Brazil, but he never has much support of the Monarchists, nor his brother and sisters agreed with him. When he died, in 2007, the "Dynastic Question" died with him, no one form the so-called "Petrópolis Branch" has maid any claim since then. His oldest son, Prince Pedro Carlos, has declared himself a Republican.

Today, all the Monarchist organizations, the media, and even the Government recognize Prince Luiz as the Head of Imperial House.

As for Astrid (the author of the article), she and her followers are a laughingstock by all the Monarchists, because they support a Republican Prince who has no interest in Monarchy.
 
Thanks for that BrazilianEmpire, you certainly know your stuff.

It would be better (and perhaps final) if Pedro Carlos would sign a deemed legal document to give away any potential right he may have to the "throne"...if there were one to be had that is.

Any chances of that happening?
 
Is she the laughing stock because she supports a republican prince? In that case most Austrian monarchists (and others) should be a laughing stock too, since many heads of former reigning families support the republic. You can laugh at Astrid Bodstein but that doesn't make her claims less valid.

But since most monarchists will be conservative it is to be expected that they support the ultra-catholic branch of the family. I find the tendency of some former royals (like Dom Duarte) to associate themselves mainly with the ultra right understandable but IMO it disqualifies them for any restauration. The monarchy should be above parties and isn't there to devide people further.

In the 90-ties I believe things were still split between the two branches, which resulted in a low rating for the monarchy in the referendum. But after the death of Dom Pedro Gastão, his descendants faced reality and understood that a restauration in Brazil is extremely unlikely.
 
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Marengo said:
You can laugh at Astrid Bodstein but that doesn't make her claims less valid.
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Her (and I don't know if that's the correct pronoun to use in Astrid's case) claims have no validity at all.

That person said that a lawyer said there was no validity in the renunciation, on the other hand, lots of other lawyers have stated that the renunciation of Prince Pedro de Alcântara is totally valid.

Marengo said:
But since most monarchists will be conservative it is to be expected that they support the ultra-catholic branch of the family. I find the tendency of some former royals (like Dom Duarte) to associate themselves mainly with the ultra right understandable but IMO it disqualifies them for any restauration. The monarchy should be above parties and isn't there to devide people further.
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You'll be surprised to know that lots of Monarchist are not Catholic, nor Conservatives. And they support the "Vassouras Branch" (and there's no branch, as there's only one Imperial Family in Brazil, with nine members).

I know Monarchist who are Protestants, Catholic, Jews (the case of my own family), Muslins, Atheists and so on. I also know Monarchists who support the Right and Monarchists who support the Left, I even know a socialist Monarchist.

I personaly heard Prince Bertrand saying that Monarchy is above political and religious beliefs, and that he'll reign for all Brazilians.

And that "ultra-Catholic" thing doesn't exist. Or you are a Catholic, or you are not. There's no ultra-Catholic or someone just a little bit Catholic. The same goes for all religions. At least in Brazil.

Marengo said:
In the 90-ties I believe things were still split between the two branches, which resulted in a low rating for the monarchy in the referendum. But after the death of Dom Pedro Gastão, his descendants faced reality and understood that a restauration in Brazil is extremely unlikely.
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They realized that no one would ever support their claim.

There's not a single Monarchist organization supporting the Prince Pedro Carlos of Orleans-Braganza.

Prince Luiz have recognition from all Monarchist organizations, media, Government and foreign Royal Houses.
 
Alderman César Maia making a pro-Monarchy speech, at the Legislative Assembly of the City of Rio de Janeiro.

The Alderman, who is a Monarchist, is one of the favorites to become the Governor of Rio de Janeiro, in the elections next year.

Discurso Vereador Cesar Maia 14.05.2013 - 125 anos da Lei Áurea - YouTube

Early this year, Alderman Maia presided over a special session, to honor Princess Isabel of Brazil (1846-1921). Prince Antônio of Brazil and his wife, Princess Cristina, attended, representing the Imperial Family.
 
Communique of the Head of the Imperial House of Brazil to the Brazilian Nation

"It is with my spirit full of serious apprehension, that I have been thinking about the most recent events on our public life. The institutions are being disrespected, juridical insecurity is growing, the right to opine has being threatened, conflicts between brazilians are being inflated, stifling laws are striking down over the dynamic forces of the Nation, and even our diplomacy – once known by its balance and subtlety – is reviled.

Day after day, grows in our population – affable, orderly and laborious – a feeling of nonconformity and rejection the growing excesses from our highest authorities, obstinately commited with ideological goals which go against the Christian faith of our people.

The country has seen, these days, thunderstruck and incredulous, to what some weighted voices do not hesitate to classify as a modern and ideological slave trade.

The middle class and a considerable part of the population sees with disgust the coming ("importation"!) of cuban doctors as a "solution" to a largely failed state healthcare system, due neglect from the government itself.

Sent to Brazil – at behest of the authorities who, for decades, involve the former Pearl of the Caribbean in this dark environment, miserable and tragical, typical of dungeon-nations on which Communism befell – those doctors are pawn of uncknowledged designs.

While it is legitimate to question the scientifical knowledge of many of them, it is not difficult to conjecture that some landed here as agents of the social-communist ideology prevailing in Cuba, as has happened in countries like Venezuela and Bolivia. In addition, many of them, deliberately separated from their families, will be confined in their workplaces, without any clear guarantee of their freedom to come and go, as well as other basics principles of our State of Rights. Not to mention that part of the payment of this slave labor will be sent by the brazilians authorities to the authorities of the cuban regime.

Consolidating this spurious operation, Brazil will have been pushed firmly to the waywardness of totalitarianism. Today, slaverism of poor cubans, tomorrow, maybe slavery of brazilians.

It is, therefore, with disgust I see the Republican authorities, with deep ideological ties with the cuban communist regime, making such an agreement, in addition to favoring the surviving of a dictatorship that aims to extend to the Brazilian territory evils that the Castro expansionism, for decades, has been buffeted in countries of our Continent.

For Brazil to continue its historical trajectory without knowing the discord, unrest and even bloodshed that have characterized the revolutions of social-communist nature, I urge Brazilians, from the most different backgrounds, abandon the unaware inertia in which they are, and organize themselves to reflow the threats, contrary to the way of thinking, acting and living, of the vast marjority of our population, are going down on our Country.

It is in this sense that I raise my prayers to Our Lady of Aparecida, whom Dom Pedro I consecrated Brazil, soon after our Independence, as Patroness and Queen.

Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança,
Head of the Imperial House of Brazil

September 1, 2013."
 
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Another communique from the Head of the Imperial House of Brazil

"Dom Luiz advises against a Monarchist Political Party

PRÓ MONARQUIA [Pro Monarchy] informs that Prince Luiz of Orleans-Braganza, Head of the Imperial House of Brazil — like his brothers and immediate dynastic successor, Princes Bertrand and Antonio — does not promote or support the formation of Monarchist Party. On the contrary, have been recently asked about it, His Imperial and Royal Highness strongly expressed, in line with the unalterable position held by the Imperial House over many decades, his disapproval of such initiative. The Monarchist Movement must necessarily be nonpartisan. So, he alert the Monarchists to beware against those who insist on disregarding this serene, prudent and stripped of material interests orientation, and at the same time imply an agreement which they does not count.

São Paulo, August 29, 2013
Pró Monarquia
José Guilherme Beccari
Chairman of the Board of Directors"

That come after Instituto Brasil Imperial, a Monarchist organization, decided to creat a political party, what the'll do this month, in Brasília.

Mrs. Hayley Rocco, one of Prince Luiz's advisors, told my mother that Antonyo Cruz, the President of IBI, verbally assaulted Prince Bertrand, the Prince Imperial of Brazil, after His Imperial and Royal Highness advised him against the criation of a political party.
 
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I'm with D. Luiz. I too believe that Monarchist movements must be nonpartisan. I think we already had this discussion in this thread, no?
 
I'm wondering, what happens if this monarchist party is effectively created? It would be quite an odd situation, with a party supporting the return of the monarchy and at the same time the would-be monarch disowning that party.
 
MAfan said:
I'm wondering, what happens if this monarchist party is effectively created? It would be quite an odd situation, with a party supporting the return of the monarchy and at the same time the would-be monarch disowning that party.
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I really don't know what will happen. But Prince Luiz does not disowned the party, he simply doesn't want to be associated with a political party, and I thinks he's right, as he will be the Emperor.

Antonyo Cruz was the one who created an awkward situation, cursing the Prince Imperial of Brazil.
 
I think he will be Emperor, of what, I have no idea, as there is no Empire, when pigs fly.
 
There is no Empire as Brazil is a Federative Republic. If brazilians chose to restore the monarchy, the Federative REPUBLIC would no longer be a Federative Republic and a new entity would have to be created. An Empire? Maybe yes. Maybe not. Only the brazilians could answer that.
 
COUNTESS said:
I think he will be Emperor, of what, I have no idea, as there is no Empire, when pigs fly.
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I think it's up to the brazilians to decide if we'll have an Emperor or not. You shoud be more focused on your President, trying to give the another World War for the History books.

Better than try to show that you know about my country and its political, because you know almost nothing Brazil.

And Prince Luiz is an Emperor, at least de jure.
 
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