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Old 11-21-2012, 06:53 PM
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The two Princes have been knighted on 17 November 2012 in a ceremony held at the Monastery of Sao Bento (St. Benedict) in Bahia.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:41 AM
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Is it just my imagination or do most of the contributors to this thread favor the claims of Dom Pedro over Dom Luiz?
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:25 AM
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I favor none of them. Although sometimes I feel romantic and wish Brazil was a monarchy (I really admire D. Joao VI, Pedro I and Pedro II), I am really a republican.
The Petropolis branch is much more charming but once their ancestor renounced his rights (it doesn't matter how much they complain nowadays it was not legal), the heir is now the Vassouras branch.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:22 PM
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I would certainly agree with the rights of Dom Luiz and family. And I must say that when I had a chance to talk with Dom Bertrand I found him perfectly charming in his own way.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:07 AM
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HIRH Prince Dom Bertrand of Braganza Orleans, Imperial Prince of Brazil, visited Uberaba:

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Old 01-07-2013, 08:53 AM
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The Vassouras Branch needs to go to the Supreme Court, to anchieve the recognition from the Supreme Court as the legitimist pretenders to the throne, then make a resolution abolishing the law that says the heirs and heiresses must marry only royal ones, and then start to make more propaganda, good alliances, and try to conquer the people's hearts, then the restoration will come.

There are a lot of monarchists in the interior of the countries.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:28 AM
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Abolish the equal alliance law?

Why do they need to abolish the law of equal alliance?
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:27 AM
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Why do they need to abolish the law of equal alliance?
Because the dinasty is dying.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:20 PM
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Is equal marriage required by the Imperial Constitution or family law, or is it just a family tradition?
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:14 AM
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Belgian magazine special issue Brazil.

2 articles on the Orleans Braganza:

L'Eventail >> Thmatique - Magazine d'art de vivre

L'Eventail >> Socit - Magazine d'art de vivre
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:13 AM
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I need some help.

Hey guys, maybe someone from Belgium can help me.

Her Royal Highness Princess Christine of Orleans-Braganza (née Princess of Ligne) gave interview for the belgian magazine L'Eventail, in it's february edition.

I have only found a part of this interview, can you help me find the rest?

Thanks a lot!

Here is the part I have found: L'Eventail >> Socit - Magazine d'art de vivre
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Is equal marriage required by the Imperial Constitution or family law, or is it just a family tradition?
It's a House Rule, introduced by Princess Isabel, then, the Head of the Imperial House, in 1908.

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Because the dinasty is dying.
The Dynasty isn't dying, we have a plenty of heirs in the Line of Succession.

The Line of Succession to the Brazilian Throne:

1. Prince Luiz, Head of the Imperial House of Brazil, born in 1938, great-great-grandson of Emperor Pedro II (1825-1891). Unmarried and without children.

2. Prince Bertrand, Prince Imperial of Brazil, born in 1941. Prince Luiz’s brother and heir presumptive. Unmarried and children.

3. Prince Antônio of Brazil, born in 1950. Prince Luiz’s brother. Married with Princess Christine of Ligne (b. 1955), and had four children (the eldest one, Prince Pedro Luiz died in 2009).

4. Price Rafael of Brazil, born in 1986. Prince Antônio’s only surviving son.

5. Princess Amélia of Brazil, born in 1984. Prince Antônio’s oldest daughter.

6. Princess Maria Gabriela of Brazil, born in 1989. Prince Antônio’s youngest child.

7. Princess Isabel of Brazil, born in 1944. Prince Luiz’s sister. She’s unmarried and childless.

8. Princess Eleonora, Princess of Ligne, born in 1953. Prince Luiz’s sister. She’s married with Michel, 14o Prince of Ligne (b. 1951), and has two children.

9. Prince Henri Antoine, Hereditary Prince of Ligne, born in 1989. Princess Eleonora’s son.

10. Princess Alix of Ligne, born in 1984. Princess Eleonora’s daughter.

11. Carlos Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1931. Great-grandson of Princess Leopoldina of Brazil (1847-1871), Emperor Pedro II’s second daughter. He’s married with Archduchess Walburga of Austria, Princess of Tuscany (born in 1942), and had eight children (the youngest son, Fernando Carlos, died in 1990, aged 10). He’s the Head of the House of Saxe-Cobourg and Braganza, since 1990.

12. Afonso Carlos Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1970. Carlos Taxis’s oldest son. He’s married with Charlotte Penafiel, and have two children.

13. Taddeo Augusto Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 2011. Afonso Carlos’s son.

14. Pia Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baroness of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 2004. Afonso Carlos’s daughter.

15. José Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1972. Carlos Taxis’s second son. Unmarried and childless.

16. Antônio Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1979. Carlos Taxis’s third son. Married with Gabrielle Tardieu de Meleissye-Melun, and has two sons.

17. Armando Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 2006. Antônio Taxis’s oldest son.

18. Pedro Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 2008. Antônio Taxis’s youngest son.

19. Teresa Cristina Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza Hunt, Baroness of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1971. Carlos Taxis’s oldest daughter. She’s married with Christian Hunt, and has two daughters, who aren’t Brazilian Dynast because they don’t have Brazilian citizenship.

20. Maria Leopoldina Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza Pavone, Baroness of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1974. Carlos Taxis’s second daughter. She’s married with Alessandro Pavone, and have a son, who isn’t a Brazilian Dynast because he was not registred as a Brazilian citizen.

21. Carolina Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza Delcourt, Baroness of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1976. Carlos Taxi’s third daughter. She’s married with Sébastie Delcourt.

22. Maria Aparecida Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baroness of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1985. Carlos Taxis’s youngest children.

23. Filipe Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, Baron of Bordonha and Valnigra, born in 1939. Carlos Taxis’s brother. He’s married with Anna Maria Duarte Nunes, and has two adopted daughters.

24. Alice Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza Formentini, Countess of Tolmino and Biglia, born in 1936. Carlos Taxis’s sister. She’s married with Michele Formentini, Count of Tolmino and Biglia (b. 1929), and has three children. None of her children are in the Line of Succession to the Brazilian Throne, because they aren’t Brazilian citizens.

25. Maria Cristina Taxis of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza Dettori, born in 1945. Carlos Taxis’s sister. She’s married with Raimondo Dettori (b. 1943), and has six children. None of her children are in the Line of Succession to the Brazilian Throne, because they aren’t Brazilian citizens.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:23 PM
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It's a House Rule, introduced by Princess Isabel, then, the Head of the Imperial House, in 1908.
I am curiouos about one thing: can the present Head of the House amend that rule? Can he decree, for instance, that a marriage is considered equal as long as the permission of the Head of the House is sought and received?
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I am curiouos about one thing: can the present Head of the House amend that rule? Can he decree, for instance, that a marriage is considered equal as long as the permission of the Head of the House is sought and received?
Yes, the Head of the Imperial Family can change the House Rules anytime he wants to do so.

For example, in 1948, Prince Pedro Henrique (1909-1981), by that time, the Head of the Imperial House, considered as Dynastic Marriage the union between his sister, Princess Pia Maria (1913-2000), with Count René of Nicolay (1909-1954).

Of course a Count of Nicolay isn't a commoner, but that marriage opened precedence for an unequal marriage been considered as Dynastic.

But the present Head of the Imperial House, Prince Luiz, has said that he'll not change the Marriage Rule, and the same goes for his successor, Prince Bertrand.

Also, Prince Rafael has expressed that is his intention marry equally, and his sister, Princess Amélia, is now living in Europe, where she's in touch with lot of Princes. She's extraordinarily beautiful, so, maybe she'll return engaged with someone from the Gotha.

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Prince Eudes of Orleans Bragança and his wife Patricia Annechino Landau are expecting their first child in 2011. Prince Eudes a grand son of prince Pedro Henriques of Brazil and Pricness Maria of Bavaria. He is the son of another prince Eudes of Orleans-Bragança and Mercedes Neves da Rocha. Eudes sr. renounced his rights upon his marriage.

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None of Prince Eudes's children from his second marriage (with Mercedes Neves da Rocha) are Princes and Princess of Orleans-Braganza, because their parents marriage is only civil, not religious.
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Who would be considered equal anyway?

Does it have to be a girl from a reigning or formerly-reigning house? Meaning of high nobility? Does it matter whether her mother was of the same status? Or would she need to have 16 direct royal ancestors? Would it be enough for the girl to be of nobility, regardless of rank?
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Who would be considered equal anyway?

Does it have to be a girl from a reigning or formerly-reigning house? Meaning of high nobility? Does it matter whether her mother was of the same status? Or would she need to have 16 direct royal ancestors? Would it be enough for the girl to be of nobility, regardless of rank?
Traditionally, members of the Brazilian Imperial Family are required to marry equally, in order to keep their succession rights.

The wife of Brazilian Prince (like the husband of Brazilian Princess) has to be from a Royal House (reign or non-reign).

There's no need of 16 direct royal ancestors. Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg is considered the best option for Prince Rafael of Brazil, despite the fact that Grand Duchess Maria Teresa was born a commoner. The same goes for Prince Ludwig of Bavaria, his mother was a commoner, but he's one of the favorite options for Princess Amélia.

In 1948, the Head of the Imperial House, Prince Pedro Henrique, recognised as Dynastic the marriage of his sister, Princess Pia Maria, with Count René of Nicolay. But he didn't recognised the marriages of three of his sons with women from the Brazilian Aristocracy. Nor did his successor, Prince Luiz, recognised the marriages of his brother and his sister with members of the Brazilian Aritocracy, or ther marriage of another sister with an Dutch Nobleman. All these marriages were ruled as unequals.
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Doesn't Brazil have TWO pretenders? I can't remember where I read that. How would that get sorted out...and what if their (or one of their) spouses are not dynastic. Does it matter in this day and age?
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Doesn't Brazil have TWO pretenders? I can't remember where I read that. How would that get sorted out...and what if their (or one of their) spouses are not dynastic. Does it matter in this day and age?
There's a kind of confusion. People belive that the Imperial Family has two lines, and that there's two claimants to the Throne. Nonsense.

There are descendents from Princess Isabel's oldest son, Prince Pedro, who renounced, in his name, and in name of his descendency, the rights to the Throne. They are Princes and Princesses of Orleans-Braganza (a French-Brazilian title), not Princes and Princess of Brazil.

The Imperial Family has only nine members:

1. Prince Luiz, Head of the Imperial Family, born in 1938.
2. Prince Bertrand, Prince Imperial, born in 1941. Prince Luiz's brother and heir.
3. Prince Antônio, born in 1950.
4. Princess Cristina, Prince Antônio's wife, born in 1955, as a Princess of Ligne.
5. Prince Rafael, born in 1986, Prince Antônio and Princess Cristina's oldest living son.
6. Princess Amelia, born in 1984, Prince Antônio and Princess Cristina's first daughter.
7. Princess Maria Gabriela, born in 1989, Prince Antônio and Princess Cristina youngest child.
8. Princess Isabel, born in 1944. Princes Luiz, Bertrand and Antnio's sister. She's unmarried.
9. Princess Eleonora, born in 1953. Also a sister of Prince Luiz. She is married to the Prince of Ligne, and lives in Belgium.

Prince Luiz has another seven brothers and sisters. But they renounced their rights to the throne, in order to marry commoners.

Princess Eleonora's children: Prince Henri Antoine and Princess Alix of Ligne, are also in the line of succession. The same goes for the House of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza, descendents from Princess Leopoldina of Brazil (1847-1871).

And yes, members of the Imperial Family are still required to marry equally. The ones who are just Princes and Princesses of Orleans-Braganza can marry whoever they want.
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That may be your opinion, and perhaps of a majority of Brazilian monarchists. But fact is that Prince Pedro de Alcantara said: "My resignation was not valid for many reasons: besides, it was not a hereditary resignation". His son, prince Pedro Gastao presented a rival claim to prince Luis, supported by a few professors and by the duke of Calabria and the count of Barcelona. Astrid Bodstein wrote an article about it in Royalty Digest in 2006.
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That may be your opinion, and perhaps of a majority of Brazilian monarchists. But fact is that Prince Pedro de Alcantara said: "My resignation was not valid for many reasons: besides, it was not a hereditary resignation". His son, prince Pedro Gastao presented a rival claim to prince Luis, supported by a few professors and by the duke of Calabria and the count of Barcelona. Astrid Bodstein wrote an article about it in Royalty Digest in 2006.
Prince Pedro de Alcântara's renunciation was totally valid. Some people points that the Imperial Constitution nevers mentioned Dynastic Marriages, but it neither said that a Prince's renunciation should be validated by Parliament.

On his renunciation document, he said that he was renouncing in his name and in name of all his descendents. And that was recognized by Princess Isabel, the Head of the Imperial House. And that was enough.

During the rest of life, Prince Pedro de Alcântara kept his word, and never claimed the Throne. He always recognized his nephew, Prince Pedro Henrique, as the Head of the Imperial House, and Emperor de jure.

After Prince Pedro de Alcântara's death, in 1940, his oldest son, Prince Pedro Gastão started to claim the Throne for himself, but he never has much support of the Monarchists, nor his brother and sisters agreed with him. When he died, in 2007, the "Dynastic Question" died with him, no one form the so-called "Petrópolis Branch" has maid any claim since then. His oldest son, Prince Pedro Carlos, has declared himself a Republican.

Today, all the Monarchist organizations, the media, and even the Government recognize Prince Luiz as the Head of Imperial House.

As for Astrid, she and her followers are a laughingstock by all the Monarchists, because they support a Republican Prince who has no interest in Monarchy.
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