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Old 04-22-2013, 04:30 PM
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Wow! You are thinking too much ahead!
Maybe I am. But I have a feeling that Prince Rafael of Brazil will marry Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg. I would bet that they'll marry around 2020. They'll have three children:

1. Prince Pedro Luiz (named after his late uncle and the two Brazilian Emperors).
2. Princess Isabel (named after her great ancestress Princess Isabel).
3. Prince Antônio Henrique (named after his grandfathers).
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:12 PM
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Run Rafael, run as fast as you can. People are not only deciding who you will marry but also how many children you will have and what you will name them.
Change your name, go live incognito somewhere and have a happy life doing what you want when you want and marrying whomever you want.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:40 PM
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He can run away with Prince Harry and Baby Cambridge, because people are doing the same with them.
But don't worry, Prince Rafael will fulfill his duties with his country, people, and Family. The Prince himself said this.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:46 PM
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Perhaps but no one has drawn up a list of 20 women and said here you go Harry, these are the only acceptable women in the world for you to marry. Chose anyone else and you will have to renounce your rights.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:54 PM
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Perhaps but no one has drawn up a list of 20 women and said here you go Harry, these are the only acceptable women in the world for you to marry. Chose anyone else and you will have to renounce your rights.
That's because there are fewer restrictions on the ability to inherit the British throne than the Brazilian one - in general it seems like the various deposed monarchies continue to have stricter rules regarding such matters than the ones that still remain in power. There are exceptions, of course, but it's as though through being deposed royal families have been forced to cling to rules that may be a bit archaic, while royal families who are still in power are able to adapt more with the times. If Harry could only marry a princess then it's likely that someone would have come up with a list at some point - and even though he can marry whoever he wants, there was a thread on this forum at one point discussing the various eligible women who he might one day marry.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:03 PM
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If Prince Rafael is okay with the fact he has to mary a Princess, I see no reason to make such a fuss against the Brazilian Imperial House Laws.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:10 PM
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If Prince Rafael is okay with the fact he has to mary a Princess, I see no reason to make such a fuss against the Brazilian Imperial House Laws.
Exactly. The only things a deposed royal house has is the titles and the tradition.

Prince Rafael knows his duty with the country. He has said he'll marry equally. That's what really matters.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:24 PM
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The whole thing just sounds so classist and archaic and awful to me
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:34 PM
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The whole thing just sounds so classist and archaic and awful to me
It reminds me of leading a stallion into the breeding barn to meet up with a brood mare. Works fine for bloodstock but rather degrading for human beings.
And yes, also archaic for families that were knocked off their thrones more than 100 years ago to continue to bind their children to rules that actual reigning royal families no longer pay attention to.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:35 PM
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The whole thing just sounds so classist and archaic and awful to me
The entire concept of Monarchy is classist and archaic: in order to be Head of State, you have to born in the right position in the right family (and sometimes you have to be in communion with a specific religion). An 87 years old British woman who lives in London is the Head of State of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and another 13 countries.

And, surprisingly, Monarchy stills more democratic than Republic. I see no reason to consider awful the fact that a heir to the Brazilian Throne has to marry equally.

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It reminds me of leading a stallion into the breeding barn to meet up with a brood mare. Works fine for bloodstock but rather degrading for human beings.
Well, you can become an activist who supports unequal marriages for members of the Brazilian Imperial Family. You can go to the Head of the Imperial House's front door to protest. Here is the address:

Itápolis Street, 873, Pacaembu, São Paulo.

But I have to advise you: he'll not change the House Laws because you think it's "degrading", nor will Prince Rafael ignore his duties because it's like a meeting of horse breeders.
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Is that why so many of Rafaels uncles have remained single, and presumably from what you have said also virginal? They just couldnt find an eligible princess willing to take them on or perhaps they have had long term relationships with women of unequal birth? How come they failed to "do their duty" and marry some princess?
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So many? Sorry, but Prince Rafael has two uncles and an aunt who are unmarried, out of the twelve sons and daughters of Prince Pedro Henrique.

Marry isn't their only duty.

Princes Luiz and Bertrand didn't marry because they prefered to be 100% dedicated to Monarchist Movement. I don't know why Princess Isabel is unmarried. But many people decide to not get married.

But Prince Antônio fufill the duty of marry equally, like his sister, Princess Eleonora.

A Prince or Princess who decides to marry a commoner is free to renounce. Seven of Prince Rafael's uncles and aunts have renounced, and they are all happy with their families.

And I can't understand why are you so obsessed with the Princes' sexual activities.
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And I can't understand why are you so obsessed with the Princes' sexual activities.
I am not, you are the one who first mentioned that these prodigal children were all virgins until they eventually marry a prince or princess.
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The entire concept of Monarchy is classist and archaic...
The monarchies that have survived have managed to adapt, and have recognized that their rank doesn't make them inherently better than all other humans. They marry who they want to marry, and don't base their choice on bloodlines.

You're of course, welcome to have your own opinion, but personally, I'm glad that the families that operate this way no longer have any real rank or power.
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I am not, you are the one who first mentioned that these prodigal children were all virgins until they eventually marry a prince or princess.
In fact I was answering why is so improbable that Prince Rafael will decide to just have a commoner partner: because his mother and his sister said that they only have sex after marriage (I can provide links, if you are able to read and listen in Portuguese).

Then you said that a healthy person will surely not stay as virgin until marriage and that Brazil has a very sexualised culture. Which many people here would consider remarks from someone who doesn't know anything about Brazil, its culture and tradition.
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Then you said that a healthy person will surely not stay as virgin until marriage and that Brazil has a very sexualised culture. Which many people here would consider remarks from someone who doesn't know anything about Brazil, its culture and tradition.
Perhaps, although it was the Brazilian concierge of our hotel in Rio who advised us of how sexual the Brazilian people are. He also told us that Brazilians are notoriously unfaithful to their partners and also very jealous as a result.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:59 PM
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The monarchies that have survived have managed to adapt, and have recognized that their rank doesn't make them inherently better than all other humans. They marry who they want to marry, and don't base their choice on bloodlines.
So, are you okay with a Prince having to follow a specific faith, or having the ask for Royal or Parliamentary consent to marry. But a Brazilian Prince marrying a foreign Princess is something utterly wrong?

Contraditory, in my opinion.

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You're of course, welcome to have your own opinion, but personally, I'm glad that the families that operate this way no longer have any real rank or power.
Well, the Brazilian Monarchy was deposed because the Princess Regent put an end on slavery, not because she marry a Prince.

In fact, Brazilians are conservative people. Dynastic Marriage is supported by the marjority of the Monarchists (21% of the population). Even republicans says that the Imperial Family was right keeping with their traditions.

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Perhaps, although it was the Brazilian concierge of our hotel in Rio who advised us of how sexual the Brazilian people are. He also told us that Brazilians are notoriously unfaithful to their partners and also very jealous as a result.
Well, I don't know which was this hotel, or who the concierge was, but I can say he was lying to you.
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Perhaps, although it was the Brazilian concierge of our hotel in Rio who advised us of how sexual the Brazilian people are. He also told us that Brazilians are notoriously unfaithful to their partners and also very jealous as a result.
I can't believe you are sufficiently obtuse to base your opinion about an entire people on a concierge's remark.

I always travel to Brazil, and I have lots of friends and family there. It's a wonderful country, with a wonderful people, culture and history.

Your comments (and the concierge's too) are totally nonsense.
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Perhaps he was wrong, although we saw plenty of evidence to the contrary on the beaches and in the nightclubs of Rio so no I do not feel that I am at all obtuse. Perhaps we just hung out with a younger more active crowd that you and Brazilian. I do however agree that it is a wonderful vibrant country and the people are quite friendly.
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Perhaps we just hung out with a younger more active crowd that you and Brazilian.
People of that ilk exists in all countries. It's up to you decide to hang with them.
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