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Interesting. And the Isenburgs have any unmarried Princesses hanging between 33 and 18?
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Interesting. And the Isenburgs have any unmarried Princesses hanging between 33 and 18?
Yes,so far there is Princess Marie-Christine von Isenburg who is 31...

There are also 2 more unmarried ones,Maria Stephanie(1969) and Catherine(1976),but they obviously do not fit the range...
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And from the Isenburg und Büdingen branch there are also Princess Felizitas (b. 1980) and her cousin Princess Dorothea (b. 1986).
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Thanks a lot.

We are looking for potential wives for Prince Rafael of Brazil (b. 1986).
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And from the Isenburg und Büdingen branch there are also Princess Felizitas (b. 1980) and her cousin Princess Dorothea (b. 1986).
But they are protestant so i don't think they fit in for what Brazilien Empire is looking.
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But they are protestant so i don't think they fit in for what Brazilien Empire is looking.
Yes, the Princess must be a Catholic in order to marry Prince Rafael.
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Thanks a lot.

We are looking for potential wives for Prince Rafael of Brazil (b. 1986).
Is he having such a hard time on his own finding dates that a committee needs to look for one for him?
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Is he having such a hard time on his own finding dates that a committee needs to look for one for him?
We are just looking around, to see who is suitable for His Royal Highness.
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Is His Royal Highness aware of the matchmaking efforts being made on his behalf as people thumb through their copies of the Almanach de Gotha, earmarking who they consider to be a suitable match?
After the reconnaisance, what then? A shortlist of candidates from which he is asked (or told) to "pick one"?

If he is interested in finding a royal bride, he will likely spend more time in Europe. But then, I suppose there's always Skype...
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How is discussing potential wives for Prince Rafael of Brazil any different from discussing potential wives for Prince Harry of Wales?

The discussion for Harry has its own thread that so far has gathered more than 1,000 posts.
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A matter of intent. The House rules of the Brazilian Imperial Family require the heir to the Headship to marry "equally". Therefore the search for a suitable royal bride is, to Brazilian monarchists, a serious business.

Members gossiping and speculating about "a wife for Harry" aren't invested in the outcome to the same extent and the discussion is therefore lighthearted. Harry can marry a woman of whatever social standing he chooses; he is not constrained in his choice to the extent that Prince Rafael is.

Of the eight sons of the late Head of the Imperial House Prince Henrique, only one, Rafael's father, married "equally". The tragic death of his elder brother, Prince Pedro Luiz in 2009, leaves Rafael as the only Prince of the Blood in the male line of his generation. He turns 27 this year and the pressure, hopes and expectations laid on him will be growing inexorably.

These posts are probably better moved to the Imperial Family of Brazil subforum.
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Is His Royal Highness aware of the matchmaking efforts being made on his behalf as people thumb through their copies of the Almanach de Gotha, earmarking who they consider to be a suitable match?
After the reconnaisance, what then? A shortlist of candidates from which he is asked (or told) to "pick one"?

If he is interested in finding a royal bride, he will likely spend more time in Europe. But then, I suppose there's always Skype...
He's aware of that. His Royal Highness knows about the high expectations the Monarchists have on him. And he's okay with that. Prince Rafael knows the duties he has with his country and people.

In an interview, last year, he was asked about his marriage plans, and he said that he has the intention to marry and produce heirs to the Brazilian Throne.

He also said (not in a very direct way), that he has the intention to marry equally, just like his father.

Here's the interview (in portuguese):

Íntegra da entrevista com D. Rafael de Orleans e Bragança
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The pressure isn't only on Prince Rafael (it's stronger on him, but because he's the direct heir to Throne).

The same expectations we have on him (about marriage), we have on his sisters, Princess Amélia and Princess Maria Gabriela. Princess Amélia is now living and working in Europe, and she's in touch with a lot of European Princes.

We also expect good marriages for their cousins, Prince Henri Antoine and Princess Alix of Ligne, children of Princess Eleonora of Orleans-Braganza (now, the Princess of Ligne). They are Brazilian Dynasts, because they were registred as Brazilian citizens. Alix is now living in Brazil.
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How is discussing potential wives for Prince Rafael of Brazil any different from discussing potential wives for Prince Harry of Wales?

The discussion for Harry has its own thread that so far has gathered more than 1,000 posts.
They are both Princes and young. The only differences are that Harry has more prospects of inherit a Throne, and that Prince Rafael has to select his future wife from a more exclusive group: Royalty.

They just happen to be young men with Royal title. And both have duties with their country and people.
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Given that he is already related to most of the Gotha surely his own family can introduce him to "suitable" young ladies of marriagable age during his visits to Europe without having to resort to outside sources or committees. It begins to sound rather like a meeting of the Kennel Club deciding which dogs should be bred together or like the Imperial Household Agency in Japan coming up with lists of suitable brides for one of their princes which isn't really the best example to follow. The poor guy must feel like he is being out out to stud with little say in the matter.
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Given that he is already related to most of the Gotha surely his own family can introduce him to "suitable" young ladies of marriagable age during his visits to Europe without having to resort to outside sources or committees. It begins to sound rather like a meeting of the Kennel Club deciding which dogs should be bred together or like the Imperial Household Agency in Japan coming up with lists of suitable brides for one of their princes which isn't really the best example to follow. The poor guy must feel like he is being out out to stud with little say in the matter.
We're not intending to write to Prince Rafael a list of suitable Princesses. We have a lot of confidence on him.

But what's the matter with discussing who might be the one His Royal Highness will choose?

Prince Rafael probably has no relevance for you, but I'm a Brazilian, and I'm a Monarchist, so his future wife and children are very important for me.

I'm sure you have some kind of affection for the Canadian/British Royal Family and care about what happens to them, the same goes for me and the Brazilian Imperial Family
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And he's okay with that. Prince Rafael knows the duties he has with his country and people.
...The pressure isn't only on Prince Rafael (it's stronger on him, but because he's the direct heir to Throne).
Poor Prince Rafael could legitimately feel quite resentful and hard-done by now he's been thrust into the role of royal poster-boy and hope of the family. What about all the others? From the top down. Where was their sense of duty?

Prince Hernrique had EIGHT sons, plenty, one would think, to ensure the continuation of the dynasty. Not quite. Here's the list:

1. Prince Luiz Gastao, Head of the Imperial House since Henrique's death in 1981; unmarried
2. Prince Eudes, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
3. Prince Bertrand, unmarried
4. Prince Pedro, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
5. Prince Fernando, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
6. Prince Antonio, married Princess Christine de Ligne, father of Rafael
7. Prince Francisco, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
8. Prince Alberto, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage

Apart from Antonio, not much sense of duty there it seems.

The six married sons have been successful in one regard at least; between them they have produced 25 children. However, with the death of Prince Pedro Luiz in the Air France crash, Prince Rafael is the only royal Prince from that group left standing. That's one out of 25. Taken together with his father being the only one from 8 sons who contracted an approved marriage, the Imperial House of Brazil continues the pattern of playing very slim odds indeed.
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Might be time to rethink their family laws on marriage before they see themselves into extinction out of stubborness to adapt. All it would take is for Rafael to meet "the one" and decide to marry even if she is not royal enough to please others. Others in his family took that route so it is not impossible that he would as well.
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Well, he has said that he intends to marry equally.

And the Imperial Family is not facing extinction. The line of succession has 25 names.

We have Prince Rafael and his sister, in the younger generation, plus the Henri and Alix of Ligne.

And we also have the House of Saxe-Cobourg and Braganza in the line.
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Poor Prince Rafael could legitimately feel quite resentful and hard-done by now he's been thrust into the role of royal poster-boy and hope of the family. What about all the others? From the top down. Where was their sense of duty?

Prince Hernrique had EIGHT sons, plenty, one would think, to ensure the continuation of the dynasty. Not quite. Here's the list:

1. Prince Luiz Gastao, Head of the Imperial House since Henrique's death in 1981; unmarried
2. Prince Eudes, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
3. Prince Bertrand, unmarried
4. Prince Pedro, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
5. Prince Fernando, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
6. Prince Antonio, married Princess Christine de Ligne, father of Rafael
7. Prince Francisco, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage
8. Prince Alberto, renounced his rights of succession prior to his (unequal) marriage

Apart from Antonio, not much sense of duty there it seems.

The six married sons have been successful in one regard at least; between them they have produced 25 children. However, with the death of Prince Pedro Luiz in the Air France crash, Prince Rafael is the only royal Prince from that group left standing. That's one out of 25. Taken together with his father being the only one from 8 sons who contracted an approved marriage, the Imperial House of Brazil continues the pattern of playing very slim odds indeed.
I think that Princes Eudes, Pedro, Fernando, Francisco and Alberto, like Princesses Maria Teresa and Maria Gabriela, had sense of duty, when they decided to renounce, because they would be unable to fulfill the duty to marry equally.
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