The Habsburg Monarchy and Dynasty

[Marengo]

Thanks for the new posts on this part of the forum, they are very interesting.

On the german austrian royals MB, poster Arturo Beeche posted the informatio that this weekend Archduke Konrad married in Anif, Austria .Miss Ashmita Goswami, from London (Indian descent). He is the youngest son of Archduke Heinrich and Archduchess Ludmilla (nee Css von Galen).

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Marengo

On the german austrian royals MB, poster Arturo Beeche posted the informatio that this weekend Archduke Konrad married in Anif, Austria .Miss Ashmita Goswami, from London (Indian descent). He is the youngest son of Archduke Heinrich and Archduchess Ludmilla (nee Css von Galen).

Do we know if this marriage was "approved" by the Archduke Otto?

[Marengo]

it is not yet known, bt as Archduke Otto approved of Archduke Maximilians marriage I do not think that there is a reason to disapprove this one, especially considering his own daughter-in-law.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Marengo

it is not yet known, bt as Archduke Otto approved of Archduke Maximilians marriage I do not think that there is a reason to disapprove this one, especially considering his own daughter-in-law.

We're either seeing the liberalisation of the Imperial House of Habsburg, or standards are slipping! :)

[Marengo]

probably a combination of the two (as in most royal families)

[kelly9480]

Archduke Maximilian married an Iraqi from an ancient, but untitled, family, which Otto indicated would be acceptable in the modern era. That's quite different from marrying someone off the streets.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by kelly9480

Archduke Maximilian married an Iraqi from an ancient, but untitled, family, which Otto indicated would be acceptable in the modern era. That's quite different from marrying someone off the streets.

her family can be ancient but still commoners. Many chinese families can trace back their roots over 2000 years, more then any european royal family, however this does not make them noble.

I sincerely doubt that the bride was living on the streets, some commoners are actually respectable people who live in houses.

[kelly9480]

I think you've made a mistake in your interpretation of what I wrote. I never said Maya was living on the streets. I said Otto indicated that a long lineage, even if not necessarily noble, was good enough to the Hapsburgs. That long lineage is what makes her acceptable, and what would keep someone of less detailed ancestry, someone off the streets, like any of us, from being considered of sufficient equality. That doesn't mean we live in the streets, it's a phrase that basically refers to commoners and/or common people.

[truth]

Originally Posted by Toledo

I don't know if it's in english. But it has a lot of facts and dismisses the myths like Empress Elizabeth of Austria, who was never called Sissi.

Sorry but I can't believe it . Where did SISSI ,nickname come from?

[Warren]

Originally Posted by truth

Where did SISSI, nickname come from?

According to Wikipedia: "From an early age, she was called Sisi (or Sissi in films and novels) by family and friends."

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by truth

Sorry but I can't believe it . Where did SISSI ,nickname come from?

When the Hola article came out on Catalina's book, she used the interview to refute some made up stories on her family that have entered the history books as truths. One of them was the nickname Sissi. From what I remember, she claims her ancestor was never called that within her family. The other one was the death of Rudolph and his mistress in an apparent suicide. Catalina said that was a lie fabricated to cover up a political murder that could have caused an early war years before the other heir's assasination that caused the chain of events that made WW I happen.

Is anyone around here subscribed to the Hola online that can copy and paste the article?

[Warren]

Regular visitors to this thread may notice it has expanded overnight from 2 pages to about 9. I have merged all the Habsburg threads I could find so that they are now in the one place. I intend to go through this thread and take out any extraneous, duplicated or stale material.

It's also worth having a look at the 'Old New Royal and Blue' forum where the wedding threads reside. We have coverage of quite a few Habsburg weddings, with lots of pics.

And a happy birthday to Toledo.

Warren

[Warren]

The Imperial House of Habsburg thread now re-organised.

Austrian Imperial Standard




image courtesy crwflags.com

[Toledo]

Thanks for putting all things Hapsburg into one thread, makes it not only more coherent but also eases the reading since all the related data is in one place.

Here is a link on another Hapsburg branch, the Teschen: Austrian (Teschen Line) Royal Family

And the dynasties in the order they ruled Austria:
Margraves from c. 960. Dukes from 1155. Archdukes from 1359. An Empire 1804-1918

A Hapsburg family tree worth printing out:
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Rulers/hapsburg2.html

And this other link is a must have/must read on all things Royal:
Directory of Royal Genealogical Data

[Danielane]

A new addition to the Habsburg family: archduke Max and archduchess Maya had a son, Nicholas, born on december 6th.

[purple_platinum]

THE PRESENTATION OF CATALINA OF HASBURGO'S BOOK "MARIA ANTONIETA" IN MADRID
February 1, 2006
(from LFI)

1 - Beatriz of Orleans
2-3 - Luis Alfonso de Borbon & Catalina of Habsburg
4-5 - Leandro de Borbon & Catalina
6 - Carmen Polo
7 - Catalina
8 - Miriam de Ungria & Carmen Polo

[purple_platinum]

more from LFI

1 - Leandro de Borbon
2-3 - Luis Alfonso de Borbon
4-5 - Beatriz de Orleans & father of Catalina de Habsburg

[purple_platinum]

more from deadline press

Luis Alfonso de Borbon presenting at Hotel Ritz in Madrid the book "Maria Antonieta" , written by his cousin the Archiduchess Catalina of Habsburgo.

8 - Beatriz de Orleans with her son Thomas and niece Luna Medina
9 - Beatriz de Orleans with her younger son, Thomas, and Duchess de Fernandina.
10 - Miriam de Ungria with Helena Kirby

[mtbcm]

Originally Posted by purple_platinum

THE PRESENTATION OF CATALINA OF HASBURGO'S BOOK "MARIA ANTONIETA" IN MADRID
February 1, 2006
(from LFI)

ELMUNDO. es is preparing a Cyber-meeting for today, with Catalina of Habsbsburg, today, at 12.00 o'clock

Catalina de Habsburgo



When:02 of February of 2006, 12:00 horas

'María Antonieta' (the Sphere of Books) reflect how the French Revolution of 1789 surpasses the sagacious Queen.

After the decapitation of the King, to Maria Antonieta only it is left to fight to save the life of her son. It is so as the historical truth or one version fed by the romantic historiography? The archiduquesa of Austria presents/displays the facts that marked the life of their ancestor in this book.

One can present the questions at this link.

Enjoy!

mtbcm :)

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Julia

The Ghosts of Mayerling: The death of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria-Hungary (1858-1889)
... The Austro-Hungarian crown would therefore pass to the Emperor's brother, Karl-Ludwig, and eventually to this archduke's descendants.

That is not true. The Pragmatic sanction that brought Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria (as wife of Emperor Franz I. Stephan known as Empress Maria-Theresia) the legal right to inherit the crowns of the Habsburg-family was still law in Austria when Crown Prince Rudolph died, leaving as his heiress the littel Archduchess Elisabeth, daughter of Rudolf and his wife, Crown Princess Stephanie (born Princess of Belgium).

Emperor Franz Joseph allowed Archduchess Elisabeth to marry a prince of Windisch-Graetz, but she had to forfeit her rights to the Austrian throne in order to do that. There is some discussion among historians about the reasons why Fran Joseph allowed this marriage.

At the time of Rudolf's death, his daughter Elisabeth had the first claim to the throne.