The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #161  
Old 12-22-2013, 08:37 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 61
But couldn't they just convert the fine to Euros? Seems unfair to not allow people to use their titles socially. Even more unfair to not be permitted to use one's real name (Von Habsburg vs. just Habsburg).
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #162  
Old 12-23-2013, 02:55 PM
Kit's Avatar
Kit Kit is offline
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 729
Yes of course the government could convert it. But it is simply no big deal here in Austria. The Habsburgs do not care about it, the rest of the Austrian Nobility does not care about it and the Austrian citizens certainly do not care about it. There are more than enough other economic problems calling for a solution with the current financial crisis so nobody thinks of changing the 100 year old constitution when there is absolutely no need or wish for it to be changed.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #163  
Old 12-24-2013, 10:11 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,276
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kit View Post
...the family wanted the old Kaiserhymn to be sung officially and therefore they needed a permission.
The permission of the government was required for them to sing a song at a funeral?
What would have happened if the government refused permission but they sang the song anyway?
This seems more apposite to the former USSR or Russia than to a Western European liberal democratic nation.
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #164  
Old 12-24-2013, 11:14 AM
Kit's Avatar
Kit Kit is offline
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 729
For the requiem because the Austrian government attended it. But this was only pro forma. And rumour told by the media. Of course they were allowed to sing it even without said permission. Nothing would have happened at all. In fact the relationship between the government and AD Karl is quite good. There are no hard feelings now. But I have often wondered about the bad treatment of the family and the strict Habsburg laws installed during the 1.Republic. I still do not fully understand the reasons for it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #165  
Old 12-24-2013, 11:47 AM
maria-olivia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 2,181
I remember how happy the Prince of Liechtenstein was to hear the unexpected Kaiserhymn.

During the Funerals , on the two first places were sitting the president of Austria and his wife.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #166  
Old 12-24-2013, 11:52 AM
SElizabeth's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 550
Kit:
I have often wondered if the people of Austria would consider restoring the monarchy to something like the rest of the royals families of the world? Even though I live in the US, I still believe that to a certain degree monarchies are what keep the history of the people alive as that is what and how their countries have been founded all these hundreds of years....it would not be popular here in this country as we started off without a monarchy. Being a history buff I have no problems with monarchies if they are for the people and do their job in developing their country.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 12-24-2013, 12:47 PM
Kit's Avatar
Kit Kit is offline
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 729
The thing is that the majority of Austrian citizens do not even know that Austria was once a huge Empire. Especially the younger generation does not even care the slightest bit about a monarchy. Austria is now for nearly 100 years Republic and since 1955 a very stable and rich one too. A monarchy was never more unlikely than now. Don't think we will ever be a monarchy again. There is simply no wish for it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #168  
Old 12-25-2013, 10:44 AM
SElizabeth's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 550
Kit,
Thank you for your response, I do have a question, aren't the children in school taught about their country's history, the beginnings and to the present? Even here in America as a child I learnt about how this country broke away from the British and what transpired to make it what it is today, what, sometimes I don't even know my country anymore because it sure is very different and difficult from when I was a child, so with all that, aren't the people interested in this country's history? Being without a monarchy for 100 years I can understand now how people would not want one, yet in your country there is such an abundance of history of kings and queens, buildings, art works, food, in fact at one time long time ago I worked as a volunteer on the clothing collection of the Habsburgs here in New York City at a museum that was showing the collection..........this was when I bought a home in Ridgewood NJ from a lady who was in charge of the collection and we became friends and I know about needlework, so she let me become a volunteer and it was one of the highlights of my life to work and actually see these beautiful clothes. I have a big appreciation of history and all the wonderful things that have survived the times. Someday I so want to go to Vienna and hear the opera and the music and eat the rich deserts.

Thank you for all your information!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #169  
Old 12-30-2013, 08:17 AM
SydneyLux's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Somewhere, Germany
Posts: 168
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kit View Post
For the requiem because the Austrian government attended it. But this was only pro forma. And rumour told by the media. Of course they were allowed to sing it even without said permission. Nothing would have happened at all. In fact the relationship between the government and AD Karl is quite good. There are no hard feelings now. But I have often wondered about the bad treatment of the family and the strict Habsburg laws installed during the 1.Republic. I still do not fully understand the reasons for it.
Are you sure about the permission? I, too, remember it being said by the press at the time of the funeral but I also remember an interview with President Fischer in which he states that he was surprised to hear the Kaiserhymne. Funnily, just as he said that he was fine with it being played, the flag of the Austrian republic behind him fell down. Of course the President isn't the government but it would be surprising if they didn't tell him about it if they had been asked, IMO.

I quite liked what Cardinal Schönborn said prior to the anthem being sung. He put it in perspective quite nicely.
__________________
Luxarazzi * Castles & Co * The Royal Resource
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 12-31-2013, 05:07 PM
claypoint2's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cambridge, United States
Posts: 362
Quote:
Originally Posted by SElizabeth View Post
Kit,
Thank you for your response, I do have a question, aren't the children in school taught about their country's history, the beginnings and to the present? Even here in America as a child I learnt about how this country broke away from the British and what transpired to make it what it is today, what, sometimes I don't even know my country anymore because it sure is very different and difficult from when I was a child, so with all that, aren't the people interested in this country's history? Being without a monarchy for 100 years I can understand now how people would not want one, yet in your country there is such an abundance of history of kings and queens, buildings, art works, food, in fact at one time long time ago I worked as a volunteer on the clothing collection of the Habsburgs here in New York City at a museum that was showing the collection..........this was when I bought a home in Ridgewood NJ from a lady who was in charge of the collection and we became friends and I know about needlework, so she let me become a volunteer and it was one of the highlights of my life to work and actually see these beautiful clothes. I have a big appreciation of history and all the wonderful things that have survived the times. Someday I so want to go to Vienna and hear the opera and the music and eat the rich deserts.

Thank you for all your information!
Yes, Austrian children study history, and Austrians in general tend to be well educated. From everything I gather through multiple sources, however, there appears to be no interest in restoring the monarchy among the people of Austria, except perhaps in a few individuals with close ties to the Habsburgs.

I suppose that yours is really a question of political philosophy and/or economics; there are those who believe that the value of a constitutional monarchy exceeds its cost to the state, and there are those who believe that it doesn't. At this time it seems that a large majority of Austrians fall in the latter camp... to the extent that they even think about the issue, which is really not on the national radar.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #171  
Old 12-31-2013, 05:33 PM
Kit's Avatar
Kit Kit is offline
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 729
Exactly Claypoint! You have explained it quite well. :-) Plus the fact that not many Austrians know who the current head of the family is. The Habsburgs lead a relatively private life and history classes in school about the House Habsburg -Lothringen usually end with the death of Emperor Karl in Madeira. @SydneyLux As far as I recall the government and PM Faymann expressed their condolences to Karl in private and apparently he asked for the Kaiserhymn to be played at the Requiem which was no problem for all parties involved.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania Benjamin The Royal Family of Romania 565 07-17-2014 09:19 AM
Restoration of the Monarchy in Brazil Cory The Imperial Family of Brazil 135 07-16-2014 09:52 AM
The chances of a restoration of the Monarchy in Iran espejor The Imperial Family of Iran 65 06-07-2014 12:49 PM
Monarchy and Restoration; Rival Families and Claimants aj00192557 The Imperial Family of Russia 911 05-23-2014 09:26 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events duchess of cambridge style fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta cristina infanta elena infanta leonor infanta sofia jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg ottoman pom prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince laurent prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess claire princess elisabeth princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess marie princess mary princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia spain state visit wedding william


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:58 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]