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Old 07-10-2011, 08:37 AM
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No, despite his wife Francesca is merely the daughter of a baron their marriage has been authorized by Archduke Otto and it is considered as equal.
True,strange,but Francesca is noble from both sides of her family...Francesca has descended from Habsburg family through her mother Fiona Frances Elaine Cambell-Walter...in fact from Emperor Rudolf I!

From her father's side she has also descended from many great families such as Esterhazy,Zichy,Bethlen...

Of course,it may not be the reason for treated equal,but still could prove noble ancestry for many generations from both sides of her family!
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Francesca has the same rank by birth as Sophia Chotek had.
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I'd say that Sophie's rank was higher than Francesca's rank, being the former a Countess and the latter a Baroness; but they married in very different times, ruled by deeply different mores, and most of all Archduke Franz Ferdinand was the heir to an actual Empire while Karl (for better or worse) was barely the heir to the headship of the former Imperial Family. That's why Sophie and Franz Ferdinand's marriage was morganatic and Francesca and Karl's was and is regarded as equal.
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Francesca is not royal or noble.....everyone knows that. Otto dispensed with the House Laws because the monarchy is long over and he believed in a modern democratic society.
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Francesca is not royal or noble.....everyone knows that. Otto dispensed with the House Laws because the monarchy is long over and he believed in a modern democratic society.
Well,as a daughter of a Baron,she is noble...and by her ancestry also...

Thyssen family were granted the title of Baron in 1907 by Emperor Franz Josef...

Not that impressive nearest ancestry,but still noble...

As a descendant of Rhedey de Kiss Rhede family,she is also related to the British royals...

Here is her line from the Habsburg family:



Rudolf I von Habsburg,Holy Roman Emperor (1218-1291)
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Archduchess Mathilde von Habsburg (1253-1304)
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Ludwig IV von Bayern,Holy Roman Emperor (1288-1347)
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Prince Albrecht von Bayern,Count von Holland (1336-1404)
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Princess Margaretha von Bayern (1363-1424)
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Princess Marie de Burgogne (1394-1463)
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Princess Katharina von Kleve (1417-1479)
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Princess Marie of Gueldres-Egmond (1433-1463)
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James III,King of Scotland (1451-1488)
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James IV,King of Scotland (1473-1513)
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Lady Janet Stewart (1508-1563)
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Lady Margaret Fleming,died in 1587
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Lady Jean Stewart,died in 1593
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Jean Campbell,died in 1622
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George Campbell of Airds
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John Campbell of Airds,died in 1711
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Alexander Campbell of Airds
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Donald Campbell of Airds (1704-1775)
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John Campbell of Airds
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Sir John Campbell,7th Baronet of Ardnamurchan (1767-1834)
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Sir John Campbell,8th Baronet of Ardnamurchan (1807-1853)
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Lieutenant-Colonel Frederick Campbell (1843-1926)
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Sir Edward Taswell Campbell,Baronet of Airds (1879-1945)
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Frances Henriette Campbell,born in 1904
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FIONA FRANCES ELAINE CAMPBELL-WALTER,born in 1932
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Baroness FRANCECSA ANNA DOLORES VON Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kaszon et Imperfalva,Archduchess of Austria,born in 1958


It is also interesting to note that Francesca descends also from the other branch of Habsburgs,Habsburg-Laufenburg line as well as from the House of Lorraine,a native House of her husband Archduke Karl...
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