Archduke Imre & Archduchess Kathleen

[NGalitzine]

I have a question: Is she prominent face in the States or is she just known in her own circle? Does her publicity bring anything to the table? Or is she preaching to the choir?
Just curious.

Basically Mrs Habsburg preaches to the choir, those who believe that they and only they know the proper way to live and feel that their views should be enshrined in law to force everyone else to live their way.

 

[Al_bina]

About Katie:
I didn't and don't judge Katie Price. I just took her as an example of a women, who is often in the media and is not very close to royalty by clothes or language. I could have named a few more women, but I didn't want to spend much time on that due it's not the main tenor of my post. And: no there is also no problem with Katie's clothing or language ... don't want to open a Katie fuzz about it. So let's leave that before this turns into a side show.

About jealousy:
I feel that there is a bigger than normal discussion about them, but I think that there is not that much to discuss - the two are not first row of european royals and rather second row - evens as Habsburgs.
Theres not much substance - just an article - and no big non royal controversy acting happened to my opinion. Too: not much positive was said about her, eventhough she tried to do positive things in this world.
I felt that some people just didn't like the fact that SHE hooked a imperial highness while OTHERS never will do.

About my intention:
Someone started to make a fuzz about nearly nothing in this thread. She is not a crown princess, didn't pressed herself agressivly and repeatedly into media and they keep quite a low profile. So please DO relax and give her time. Stop prejugding her !

Let's look at them for a while and when she goes to a point, where she does aggressive PR and attends very often in the media we can start this discussion again.

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Archduchess Kathleen's actions are and will be judged through the prism of her staunch views. There are million subtle fine points separating demeanour of an aristocrat from that of an ordinary man or woman. It would be deemed expedient for her to learn them.

 

[Grandma828]

Kathleen's views are exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Not more and not less. Right now there is a 40 day program going on in the US to bring light to the issue of aborted babies. Yes the Catholic Church believes that it is a baby from the moment of conception. It is an issue that will always devide people.

 

[TLLK]

Agreed Grandma. Kathleen is a devout Catholic and works for a pro-life group. She is welcome to her opinions. Imre and Kathleen are not representatives of a ruling family. They are private citizens.

 

[Magali]

Being private citizens, why then present themselves as Austrian Royals in Indian newspapers?

 

[Kit]

That is a very good question Magali. WHY indeed ???

 

[TLLK]

Being private citizens, why then present themselves as Austrian Royals in Indian newspapers?

Imre and Kathleen are members of a non-ruling family, but I don't see why they cannot mention that fact. After all it is who they are.

 

[TLLK]

No, she is not a prominent person in the United States. If I did not follow royalty as closely as I do, I would have never even heard of her. That said, I wonder why she seems to get under people's skin the way she does. As far as I can tell she espouses conservative principles such as abstinence and her pro-life stance. Imre had full knowledge of her activities and beliefs well before marriage. I personally believe that if there was more abstinence and fewer abortions our society would be a better place, but I am not naive enough to expect this to actually happen. I wish more young people would speak out for their beliefs the way she has. I hope they have a very happy and successful marriage.

Agreed. Imre's relatives including (the late King Baudoin and GD Henri) appear to have held or currently have the same views. Both men asked their governments to declare them temporarily "unfit to rule" in order to avoid signing legislature that conflicted with their conscience. Therefore it would not surprise me if Imre and his immediate family were also pro-life. No doubt they were all fully aware of Kathleen's views and her career prior to their engagement.

If the couple decide to spend part of their honeymoon working at a charitable organization then I cannot fault them for that decision.

 

[camelot23ca]

No, she is not a prominent person in the United States. If I did not follow royalty as closely as I do, I would have never even heard of her. That said, I wonder why she seems to get under people's skin the way she does. As far as I can tell she espouses conservative principles such as abstinence and her pro-life stance. Imre had full knowledge of her activities and beliefs well before marriage. I personally believe that if there was more abstinence and fewer abortions our society would be a better place, but I am not naive enough to expect this to actually happen. I wish more young people would speak out for their beliefs the way she has. I hope they have a very happy and successful marriage.

I think she irritates people because she's an activist, (although not an especially articulate one), and people tend to love activists who have principles that agree with their own and vilify those who don't.

I don't agree with all of her views, but I appreciate the fact that she has a set of beliefs and is acting in a way she feels is morally consistent with those beliefs.

 

[TLLK]

I think she irritates people because she's an activist, (although not an especially articulate one), and people tend to love activists who have principles that agree with their own and vilify those who don't.

I don't agree with all of her views, but I appreciate the fact that she has a set of beliefs and is acting in a way she feels is morally consistent with those beliefs.

Excellent observation camelot23ca!

 

[HRHHermione]

Yea I don't buy that- the idea that just having beliefs and acting on them is a positive thing. That idea reminds me of a joke from the Big Lebowski when Walter rants about nihilists. The line is "Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism dude, but at least it's an ethos." That's obviously a joke, but the point I'm trying to make is that just acting on beliefs isn't an inherently good thing, you have to look at someone's actions.

I'll say as a clinic volunteer and someone who's escorted scared young women past groups of protesters out to make them feel shamed, scorned and dirty, that the type of activism Katie has participated in in the past is the opposite of Christian love and kindness. It's glorified bullying, and I don't ever like to see a bully be given a bigger pulpit.

The Catholic church has some fantastic beliefs and I think catholic social justice teachings are awesome, and I respect anyone who lives their faith in a way that makes the world a better place. I just believe that Kathleen's activities in the American pro life movement do the opposite of that and I would be thrilled if my country has seen the last of these two.

I don't wish anything bad on her and I hope her marriage is happy, but I hope she grows up enough to realize that the world is more complicated than she thinks and that as one who's been given much, she has an obligation to have empathy and compassion for those who don't have what she has, and that obligation is more important than advancing her own agenda.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Kathleen's views are exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Not more and not less. Right now there is a 40 day program going on in the US to bring light to the issue of aborted babies. Yes the Catholic Church believes that it is a baby from the moment of conception. It is an issue that will always devide people.

I don't think the Church teaches that the Spanish Inquisition was not that big of a deal and that the harm it caused has been exaggerated.

This is an opinion that Mrs Habsburg has expressed.

You are correct about the Church's teaching about the sanctity of human life. But the Church also teaches that women who are in circumstances tragic enough to make the decision to have an abortion must always be treated with compassion.

That's the part of the teaching Katie chooses to ignore.

 

[HRHHermione]

I don't think any of that discussion is relevant to this board. I know it's hard to walk a fine line on this and it's tough to talk about Katie's actions without getting into the underlying beliefs, but honestly, that's about the only thing we can do to keep this board from turning into a big old mess.

This couple is hard to talk about. A lot of us have strong feelings about them. I hope we can keep this board open, but I have a feeling the moderators will scrap it if it turns into an indepth discussion of abortion itself rather than about the actions, past and present, of the couple.

 

[TLLK]

I don't think any of that discussion is relevant to this board. I know it's hard to walk a fine line on this and it's tough to talk about Katie's actions without getting into the underlying beliefs, but honestly, that's about the only thing we can do to keep this board from turning into a big old mess.

This couple is hard to talk about. A lot of us have strong feelings about them. I hope we can keep this board open, but I have a feeling the moderators will scrap it if it turns into an indepth discussion of abortion itself rather than about the actions, past and present, of the couple.

True. I've just deleted a response as I realize it would not be a positive contribution to the discussion.

 

[Grandma828]

I have removed my question.

 

[EmpressRouge]

I was surprised there was virtually no publicity at their wedding (Washington Post only had a small story a few days later based on Royal Musings' blogpost), and then they let reporters follow them on their "secret" honeymoon and Kathleen gave interviews. I wonder if for the wedding, Imre's discreet family was very insistent on minimal publicity, but now that the two love birds are on their own, they're inviting the media into their lives.

 

[Grandma828]

Kathleen strikes me as a young idealists who has not had enough life experience to view things with compassion and mercy. Things are not always just black and white.

 

[claypoint2]

I agree.

 

[Kit]

Great post Grandma! I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[HRHHermione]

I'm the same age as Kathleen so the "young idealist" thing just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[Kit]

I am also the same age as her and - well - some people are just more mature than others. In the end everyone is entitled to have his/her personal beliefs no matter what others think of it.

 

[Grandma828]

The word is idealists.

 

[Mariel]

I have also deleted my message in which I referred to Kathleen's views about the Inquisition in history. I am somewhat hotheaded. Anyway, gone.

 

[bebajp]

A little bit of discretion wouldn't hurt her (neither her in-laws). "For friends and fans she still Katie"??

 

[MarleneKoenig]

clarification: the Washington Post called me after seeing my story. They wanted to do a story on the wedding (their religious writer was familiar with Katie - and the wedding editor wanted to do a story. Katie declined the offer. I also do not think there was any stories in the local Cincinnati paper where her family lives.) The Washington Post purchased the right to use one of my photos in the Reliable Source. The newspaper for the Arlington archdiocese also contacted me, and I allowed them to use one photo as well. Katie worked for Catholic charities in Arlington Diocese. . The only press there was one photographer from Luxnews and the official wedding photographer (and me ) They certainly did not seek publicity for the wedding in DC.

I was surprised there was virtually no publicity at their wedding (Washington Post only had a small story a few days later based on Royal Musings' blogpost), and then they let reporters follow them on their "secret" honeymoon and Kathleen gave interviews. I wonder if for the wedding, Imre's discreet family was very insistent on minimal publicity, but now that the two love birds are on their own, they're inviting the media into their lives.

 

[TLLK]

Thank you for the post-wedding information Marlene.

 

[NGalitzine]

I'm the same age as Kathleen so the "young idealist" thing just doesn't cut it for me.

I think I would say zealot in place of idealist.

 

[NGalitzine]

Are there any pictures of Archduke Imre and Mrs Habsburg at the Luxembourg festivities? Were they there?

 

[American Dane]

Are there any pictures of Archduke Imre and Mrs Habsburg at the Luxembourg festivities? Were they there?

There is a picture of them arriving, you can only see Irme really, in the 'Church Wedding' thread

 

[Al_bina]

Luxembourg: The Cousins at the Wedding
scroll to see the photo